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Phlegmish posted:I saw Maduro speak on Telesur once, it was of course a confrontational diatribe about fighting imperialism and the enemies within, setting price controls, five-year plans, etc. Most it seemed to be classic Marxist-Leninist rhetoric lifted straight from the Cold War era without an ounce of self-awareness. I am amazed that Venezuelans ever voted for this clown in the first place. Did they? Or did Carter just really drop the ball on that one.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Purpose-built voting centers seems like a big waste, but sharing them with obviously partisan institutions is even worse. Have they given any reason as to why they are doing this? Is the standard procedure not to just commandeer schools over the weekend (as seems to be the practice in the rest of Latin America)? Common in the states as well. Mozi posted:They just want to make sure the proper people vote and that they vote properly, and if they don't that the proper result is still achieved - nothing nefarious at all, I'm sure. Exactly, just ask carter; the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.
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Play posted:Did socialism tup your mother and never call her back or something? What's going on here? It should be obvious to even the densest of observers that the Chavez regime is a pretty unique beast. The people that defend it are morons, nothing more and nothing less. It has little and less to do with democratic socialism which in fact works as intended, to greater and lesser extents, all over the world. Ah yes, no true No left winger here had a problem calling the country socialist 5-10 years ago here, in fact Venezuela was consistently pointed to in this forum as the textbook example of socialism working. The threads are easily accessible in the archives for those that doubt me. For some reason that's changed in the past couple years I wonder why. The other country pointed to is Cuba, which is likewise a hellhole. It's horseshoe theory in action really, for those on the extremes, [conservatism] [socialism] cannot fail, it can only be failed. And it doesn't matter how many times it's failed in the past, of course that time [blank] was wrong and they weren't reallllly true [conservatives] [socialists], this time will be different!
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Is Spain a prominent destination for language reasons alone or is there more to it? If I had to guess it started that way so now it's more common because there's a sizable expat community there? How common is fluency in English (or close enough to fluent)?
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El Hefe posted:Maduro is just spending all day on TV talking and talking, the country is falling apart and every day he's on TV for hours on end talking bullshit instead of working, it's some of the most surreal poo poo ever. Let's be fair- would you actually want him to work? Being charitable he understands he is massively in over his head.
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zimboe posted:A meta-observation: Are you a neural net?
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JohnGalt posted:That 700k barrels per day is around what the production surplus is. It's not going to send prices skyrocketing, but it may keep things stabilized for a while. I think youre right though, the world is waiting for Venezuala to collapse for good times in the oil market. Yea this is why looking at percents can be misleading for threshold models.
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MullardEL34 posted:Venegoons, this is a totally random question, but does your country have any kind of Amateur Radio culture? I'm a technician class Amateur Radio Operator here in the US, the only HF long distance band I have voice privileges on is the 10 Meter band, which has been opening up to the Caribbean and South America almost daily as of late. I made contacts as far south as Rancho Queimado, Santa Catarina Brazil, almost on the Uruguay border this afternoon from Cleveland, Ohio. Or you know use twitter because it isn't the loving 1940s.
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El Hefe posted:Look at Syria, no one gives a poo poo really and that place is hell on earth. Or have their own things to worry about and life to live, what the gently caress is the average person supposed to do about Venezuela or syria exactly anyway? It's kind of funny how everyone hated Bush playing world police and now everyone wants the US to wave a majic wand and make everything better.
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Bip Roberts posted:You sure took D&D poster down a notch. D and d socialists loving loved Venezuela and constantly cited it as an example of how great socialism is. Turns out there's no such thing as a socialist government that doesn't implode in short order (of course the next time will be different  )
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Lightning Lord posted:What was Maduro trying to say when he was addressing his statements at Trump? You might be referring to social democracy aka the nordic model? Which is really just a market capitalist economy with more safety nets and regulations. I don't believe there are any working examples of actual socialism beyond small communities like kibbutz -- it would seem it's very hard to scale. At least it wasn't a complete disaster in Cuba I suppose. You could argue that western powers cause them to fail through their policies but governments need to work in the realities of the real world, not theory papers. e: maybe parts of kurdistan as well in the YPG? It would seem that it requires small, tightly nit communities that are highly ethnically and racially homogeneous. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:Every country in the Western world embraces economic and social policy that can be accurately described as "socialist" to some extent. It's just that where Western countries use tax dollars to provide a social safety net and reinvest in their populations, shitbags like Chavez invested in his cronies, corrupted the state apparatus into an instrument of his will, and gave his people stagnation and decline. This is silly, the existence of social programs, which have been around since well before socialism was ever conceived, do not on their own make a country "socialist". It's likewise weird when people try and bill the US military as a 'socialist' organization-- getting mediocre pay and healthcare for a job you get blown up in doesn't make an org socialist, either. It's little different than saying the USSR was capitalist because you had things like people trading for the more desirable housing locations (interestingly this seems to be a problem in all assigned-housing systems- from Cuba to NK). It's not very surprising to see the far left act kinda dumb about Venezuela -- it was constantly held up as the shining leftist star on the hill, and it turns out that the positives people were able to point to (to divert attention away from the repression and general shittiness of chavez), like the poverty reduction, were temporary side-effects of a house of oil-wealth cards. It's all just more evidence that actual socialism isn't a very good economic system in practice, at least compared to hybrid models like the Nordic.
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Bob le Moche posted:I'm really sorry. Things really do suck. Things are also going to get even worse after sanctions get imposed, and although the responsibility for that will lie with those who are imposing the sanctions, it will be Maduro's government that will be blamed for it. The US is capable of creating conditions so desperate, so hopeless, that literally anything else would be better than them. That's true! I don't blame Venezuelans for surrendering to imperialism when that happens: it's not like they are given any other choice. But I can try to do as much as I can to prevent my own government from following that path, and from coercing that outcome out of Venezuelans. Lol
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Feinne posted:I want to be clear that I absolutely do not think this is at all an inevitable outcome from socialism, only the inevitable outcome when a bunch of idiots and thieves run a country into the ground. This would be more convincing if you could point to an example of actual socialism (not the capitalist Nordic social democracy model) working. You'd have Cuba or nk in the 60s - 80s but that was just because the Soviets dumped tons of cash and tech into them, once they lost their trust fund daddy they became much shittier than their capitalist peers and the difference has monumentally widened (even as the us backed off how much support they gave to western Europe and beyond). And there's no defending Chavez either, all the good poo poo that came out of that time was a from the bubble in oil prices. It wasn't sustainable and this is the inevitable result. It would be like saying saudi Arabia has a well run economy - no it's just hard to gently caress things up when you are sitting on a pile of gold.
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JailTrump posted:There was an article last night from the BBC that at 5:30 there had been 3 million votes cast then somehow magically we got 8 million by the time voting ended. US should interfere by giving Columbia and other S American countries sums of money relative to the number of Venezuelan refugees they take in. Luckily we avoid the whole sectarian religious / ethnic tensions nonsense of the ME so the whole process should go a lot smoother should things go even further south.
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This is all incidentally why the hype around community / city "farming" is a huge loving joke.
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