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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It's pretty amazing watching dumbass people fly in here to whitesplain to actual Venezuelans just because Venezuela is in the news.

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

A big flaming stink posted:

while posting "sick owns" on the tankie squad might seem satisfying in the moment, for the rest of the thread it's tedious at best, and at worst summons said squad to continue another round of blistering hot takes about neoliberal sabotage

They are self-summoning

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-swiss-bank-executive-sentenced-prison-role-billion-dollar-international-money

A Swiss banker is getting tossed into jail for being part of a money laundering scheme involving the PDVSA and 1.2 billion dollars.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article221706585.html

One more corrupt oligarch brought low.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...a-idUSKCN1OP0RZ

Unsurprisingly, putting the military and some idiot who can't even spell the word petroleum in charge of the oil industry has not produced more oil at all, nor has jailing workers for "sabotage" when poo poo breaks because there arn't enough parts or people who know how to maintain it.

a revolution... of poo poo!?

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
poo poo, I wish I got tires as part of my severance pay in the US. That's a lot more useful than a few hundred bucks.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-defense-idUSKCN1P32LQ

The defense minister asked Maduro to resign, or he's going to.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brazil-venezuela-idUKKCN1P60FN

Brazil has recognized the Venezuelan opposition leader as president.

quote:

SAO PAULO (Reuters) - Brazil’s government on Saturday issued a statement saying it recognised Venezuela’s Congressional leader, who opposes President Nicolas Maduro, as the rightful president of Venezuela.

Maduro, who started a second term as president this week, has found himself increasingly isolated as countries around the world have called his continued leadership illegitimate.

Juan Guaido, the head of Venezuela’s opposition-led Congress, said this week he was prepared to assume the country’s presidency on an interim basis and call elections.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It's not even just the price caps or the nationalization or the general incompetence in managing the oil industry-- various large companies that produce critical goods, as part of "nationalization", keep getting handed over to incompetent flunkies of Maduro who only know how to squeeze harder. The entire government currently exists as a vehicle to funnel as much money as possible into the pockets of Maduro and his family + friends. Also the military higher ups that ensure he remains in power.

AGGGGH BEES fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 14, 2019

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Lightning Knight posted:

And when, inevitably, this does not happen, and conveniently the new Venezuelan dictator is friendly to the US? Aw, darn, so sad, what a terrible outcome, I’m sure.

How would a CIA mole in charge of Venezuela be any worse than the government they have now?

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
No, see, the wrong people are professing sympathy with the Venezuelan cause, so it's very important that Maduro be supported, because ?????

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Lightning Knight posted:

How would it be any better? That seems to be the missing piece here.

Like, we know if a US-backed government takes over, there isn’t gonna be fair elections under them either right? Like, lmao.

Lol you know absolutely nothing about this topic and just showed up here to poo poo on the venegoons because Trump said something about it. You've made it clear from your posts in this thread that you havn't even bothered to look at the Venezuelan constitution or done even the most cursory reading about the current economic and political situation in Venezuela. You are the epitome of an American bourgeoisie left-wing dilettante, utterly incapable of viewing any affair except through a lense relating to the US.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Despite the endless whining from tankie retards (some in this very thread, even) about the Venezuelan opposition being backed by the CIA, no one has ever produced even one single shard of evidence that this is the case. The US has largely ignored Venezuela other than passing sanctions on specific members of the PSUV (and arresting some of them periodically in the US when they get caught drug trafficking or laundering money).

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

zegermans posted:

is this were we go to get 6ers for correct opinions? Because Maduro is the legitimate leader and you don't get to pretend an election doesn't count because you bailed out of one you were clearly going to lose badly

The man literally imprisoned everyone who could run against him in the last election and then set up his own alternate legislature to rubber stamp that same election.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yinlock posted:

this is like text book u.s regime change, first they bomb a place economically, then cite that as evidence that it fails to prop up their own business-friendly dictator

if that fails they move on to step 2: bombing a place literally

Please explain which of the US sanctions on Venezuela are ruining it's economy. You can find them all handily listed right here.

(spoiler alert: you won't be able to, because all of the sanctions are on individuals and not on anything Venezuela exports or imports)

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yinlock posted:

the usa has been backing Venezuelan destabilization efforts for ages

the question isn't if maduro is 100% legit, the question is if it's worth the usa bursting in and waving their dick around and signs point to no

Please explain which of the US sanctions on Venezuela are ruining it's economy. You can find them all handily listed right here.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yinlock posted:

hm yes clearly the only options are brutal cia regime change or starvation, you've nailed it bud

or maybe the usa could stop treating latin america like it's military playground

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No one here wants the US to invade Venezuela. At most, some people have said that it's unlikely a US backed government would be worse than the one Venezuela already has.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Even if the current government can be dislodged, repairing the Venezuelan economy is going to be a long painful process. It's not just repairing and replacing the stuff that's broken, but also reversing the brain drain-- skilled workers have fled the country in droves.

Venezuela is going to need massive amounts of aid just to pull itself back from the brink and even more to get itself back on it's feet.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The poor are -already- dying (and being eaten, in a few cases). Anyone who actively tries to stop that is an improvement.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
"Oil blockade" likely doesn't mean a literal blockade, but simply forbidding Venezuelan oil from being processed in or shipped through the US.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

caps lock broken is trolling at this point, right?

also I thought keeping the US embassy staff was supposed to be step one in justifying military intervention?

He is almost certainly a Pro-PRC Laowai rereg.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Pretty sure the last 'election' announced more votes for Maduro than people who actually voted in the previous election.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It would be good if the cspam people found something to post about other than the imaginary US invasion that's settled into their brains like fruit mold.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yossarian-22 posted:

Let's just conveniently ignore the 19 years of the U.S. sanctioning the country and trying to oust Chavez and Maduro, because only boots on the ground constitutes "intervention" as such right?

I remember the good old days of Obama/NATO apologists insisting that the "No Fly Zone" in Libya was simply a defensive measure aimed at preventing things from getting out of hand and not creeping intervention

It's really sad that nobody in here can see the obvious writing on the wall but so it goes. Look forward to seeing all of you cheerlead intervention when it actually comes

lol

Posting indignantly works better when you arn't wrong about basically everything.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
god drat how is every single post moridin makes somehow worse than his previous ones

You are like a dumber, communist fishmech

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Ilhan Omar basically got elected as a seat warmer and has all of the intellectual capacity of your average tree frog.

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article225123050.html

The Venezuelan military attache in DC has flipped on Maduro. I think this is the highest ranked military officer to do so.

Y'all should try adding all the tankies to ignore; they discount any information that doesn't support their position so common ground is impossible anyway.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I really hate the paternalistic attitude from the tankies in this thread that the Venezuelans who post here can't be REAL venezuelans, because they arn't subsistence farmers who have never even heard of electricity.

This is the 21st century. People have cell phones and poo poo.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The most likely answer is that a bunch of random guns were tossed on a sheet so the US could be accused of smuggling them.

Also the power went out twice during Maduro's press conference and he screamed at the electricity minister lol

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Looks like China might be getting ready to throw Maduro under the bus; they've been holding talks with representatives of the opposition in the US. Guess they figure they're more likely to eventually see some kind of repayment from the opposition instead of Maduro and his cronies.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
people who believe antisemitic things defend antisemitic politician, film at 11

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Why would anyone trust Maduro and his buddies to hold a fair election given their history?

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Lol if you think that money was going anywhere but the pockets of Maduro and his buddies. The hospitals havn't been getting much, if any meds for years now.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It is interesting how the meaning of Venezuela's laws keeps getting shifted around to whatever is most convenient for the pro-Maduro crowd at any given moment.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Gee, I wonder where that 9 mil went.

(into Maduro's pocket, of course)

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I just kind of wonder what kind of person takes a look at the Venezuela situation and thinks "it's better that the Venezuelan people should all starve to death than ask the US for help".

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Yes, forums poster condiv, it's totally the US's fault Maduro and the PSUV enacted a bunch of policies that caused a famine. In fact if you look closely enough, you can see the faintly glowing puppet strings stretching from Maduro to the coffin of John Mccain.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
What's apparently hard is for you, and many other people, to read the OP.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-venezuela-tankers-exclusive-idUSKCN1QA2DJ

The crews of two tankers stuck in Portugal over unpaid bills are abandoning them.

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Let's not humor the dumbass guy who's bad at posts (and also bad at everything else).

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