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El Hefe posted:Jesus its so loving depressing living here it makes me wanna cry, I just found out the American embassy aren't giving or renewing non-immigrant visas anymore so I can't go to my family in Miami anymore... But hey, at least Maduro is sticking it to those Americans plotting to overthrow him by denying them visas and keeping them out of the country!
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MysteriousStranger posted:It's not a functional state. I mean, the government is working at 40% capacity because it's only open 2 days a week. How on earth could that be considered functional?
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Hugoon Chavez posted:That said, there are lots of Venezuelans that became "rabid right wingers" although I seriously doubt any of those would be able to explain what left or right actually mean. They just go rabid and start complaining about socialism, then travel to other countries and want a social program that helps immigrants and workers while voting for anyone that identifies as the right. Yeah this rings true for me as well. My mother grew up in Venezuela (which is why I follow this thread as closely as I do despite never having visited myself). She recently got a chance to catch up with one of her old friends who had managed to get a visa to come to the States. Apparently, this friend's son was railing on and on about how Hillary and especially Bernie were horrible people and will ruin the United States just as Chavez ruined Venezuela. If Venezuelans get the opportunity to flee to the US and seek asylum, they'll be the next Cubans, so far as electoral politics goes (and for much the same reasons).
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-Troika- posted:"Well, things would be bad if this imaginary situation I made up specifically to win an argument happened." To be fair, what do you think Venezuela's going to have to give up to get their economy going again? vvv Agreed, but there's a fair point to be made that any transition to a functioning government is very likely to be extremely painful for the people who have benefited from Chavez's patronage (and that includes more than just the PSUV kleptocrats). vvv ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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The problem isn't so much that the PSUV is good and shouldn't be overthrown, but rather the opposite: they've run the country into the ground so hard that no matter who is in power the poor are hosed and they'll be unhappy with anyone in power who can't deliver the patronage Chavez could. Which, of course, no one can, because oil prices are too low for Venezuela to have a functioning economy, no matter who is in power.
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Good luck fnox. Everyone but Borneo Jimmy is rooting for you.
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Jygallax posted:As a non-Venezuelan lurker, what's the story with this? In short, the opposition won a supermajority by one seat that would have allowed them to actually change things. That is unacceptable of course, so the outgoing Assembly packed the TSJ (Venezuelan Supreme Court) which then proceeded to accept a challenge from the PSUV candidate for that seat. It then ruled that the election of the opposition member to that seat was to be annulled, thereby depriving the opposition of their supermajority and making them unable to overturn Maduro's vetoes. So that seat remains vacant because I guess there's no mechanism to fill the seat. The discussion in the thread started here.
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Jul 13, 2016 01:11
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Boner Slaem posted:"well, maybe we were wrong. Maybe our clown economic policies and ideologies are stupid, just like everyone told us, and perhaps things can not be solved by more of the same". "... No. It is the
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wdarkk posted:OK now I feel like we need to change the thread title. Venezuela: Hey, that Pol Pot guy had a few good ideas...
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Jul 28, 2016 01:12
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Labradoodle posted:A lot of places were already refusing to accept the food vouchers that accompany wages because apparently, the government takes a long while to pay for them once they've been used. Sounds like economic sabotage to me! I eagerly await Maduro's appropriation (and closure) of any store that refuses to accept those vouchers. (Thereby making the situation even worse, but hey, who's counting?)
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Aug 14, 2016 18:44
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beer_war posted:So the TSJ decided that any laws passed by the National Assembly will be null and void. Presumably for seating the reps from Amazonas. Funny how they're quick to act on this but not on the reps themselves. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to have another carefully choreographed protest on the far side of Caracas! 
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Sinteres posted:Whenever this thread goes quiet for a few days I start wondering if the internet went out or if everyone just starved. I guess the most likely explanation is just that nothing's changing and the opposition isn't giving anyone any reason to believe it will. Well, there is a new poll that Fox News is touting that found that 54% of Venezuelans would leave the country if they could. Of course it is Fox News that picked this up and I don't know how reliable this Datincorp is so the figures may well be lower.
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Chuck Boone posted:The CNE has yet to publicly react to the decisions, but it looks like the decisions might have the effect of either cancelling the effort altogether, or at least forcing the opposition to go back to were they were in May, at least as far as those three states go. It's also not clear if other states will issue their own rulings in the coming hours. Why the hell wouldn't the CNE take advantage of this opportunity to kill the effort dead, here and now? Isn't that implicitly why they ruled that the signatures on the original petition could be revoked at any time up to the final referendum? So they could have a backdoor to kill the whole effort as late as the day before the election?
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Of course this "further notice" will never be given. And I bet any attempt to restart the process from scratch will be blocked while this particular attempt is "still pending" because they'll just make up a rule that says "Two groups can't try to recall the same person at the same time. Please contact the leader of the other effort if you want to get involved with their recall effort instead!" Based on how the Amazonas deputy cases just sorta disappeared until it was politically convenient to use the cases to neuter the Assembly, I don't see why the same logic and ruthless bureaucratic memory hole wouldn't be applied here too.
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So is the OAS going to invoke the Democratic Charter now? ( no loving way)
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Venezuela: The Somalia of South America
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dublish posted:Pro-intervention? Did I miss something? Yeah, the part when Bob implied he is one of those people who assumes that anyone who does not 100% defend Maduro to the very end is a filthy capitalist who literally lusts for poor minorities to be gunned down in the streets. EDIT: Bro Dad posted:Can you please tell me what makes the collectivos "brown" compared to opposition? People like Bob usually don't respond to questions like this because it makes them look like the idiots they are, so I'll try to field it on their behalf so you can make up your own mind: quote:Venezuela is exactly like the US. The rich are always white people who want to rule the country again after having been thrown out by the natives for corruption and massive handouts to the corrupt, decadent west. They have duped the masses into thinking that white nationalist rule is good. I hope that insight into the mind of Maduro apologists was illuminating. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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fnox posted:Again you don't understand, every time I've done nothing, the government has only become more powerful and corrupt. I can't wait any more while my family dies of hunger and disease. So again, as a Venezuelan, what should I do? Uh, obviously you should stop opposing the PSUV and put your faith in Maduro and the PSUV as you slowly starve to death. It's all a capitalist war to force Venezuela to become capitalist again anyway, and only the PSUV can stop it! EDIT: In all seriousness, they're a troll and nothing you say will convince them that anyone other than Maduro (or whichever PSUV criminal gets "nominated" to take a lifetime appointment as supreme leader from the Constituent Assembly) is an acceptable choice. They're not worth responding to, and I don't intend to reply to any post they might make quoting this one, because they are a person with garbage opinions that they don't actually intend to defend when attacked. EDITx2: The same goes for the guy below I guess. Sure are a lot of "leftist" trolls who have never posted before in this thread but then suddenly come out of the woodwork when Venezuela actually tries to stand up for itself, huh? ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 08:43
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orange sky posted:A lot of trolls going around huh. Yeah. Venezuela's mentioned on the front page of RT and a bunch of times on Sputnik News right now, so of course the tankies have come out to play.
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Burt Buckle posted:This thread was good and now it's bad. It's not going to get better until you start ignoring the tankies, as the mods agree with their politics.
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Scent of Worf posted:The answer is in the post you quoted. If the election was legit then yes absolutely. You seem to want to corner me into defending the PSUV when I haven't defended a single thing they've done. My entire argument since the beginning has been about right wing extremists/CIA involvement in these protests and the dangers of letting them take over. "I'm not defending the PSUV. I'm just attacking every entity who is actually taking concrete steps to oppose it. Different thing."
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Agnosticnixie posted:You're not really going to convince people calling anyone who is even mildly suspicious of american motivations in Venezuela or anywhere else a tankie ffs, especially considering it's a mainstream position the entire left holds that didn't magically get put in our skulls by a Marxist-Leninist mind control beam. Dude there's legitimate criticism and skepticism about US motives, and then there's bursting into a thread you've never posted in before to accuse the opposition of being American dupes with minimal evidence and refusing to leave even when long-time posters call your ideas moronic. Similarly, I don't know how many times I've seen it said again and again that the opposition is not fundamentally racially-based and statistically can't be based on its broad support, and yet every day someone who has never posted in this thread seems to appear out of the woodwork to say that it's actually all about racism and everyone who supports the Venezuelan opposition is actually a white nationalist. You can have an intelligent conversation without calling people names, but most of the tankies coming in here don't really care about having an intelligent conversation or listening to anyone here who has actually lived in Venezuela. And most of those are actually being saints and not calling a spade a spade. God bless fnox and the others for putting up with this, but I'm fed up with garbage trolls and their garbage opinions who only recite statistics from Telesur like it's the only unbiased source for Venezuelan news.
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Agnosticnixie posted:I didn't call, at any point, the opposition american dupes. I said that any regime change that has the US stamp of approval is going to be lurching deeply to the right. That you construed that as your interpretation frankly isn't my problem. Also I've been lurking this thread for months and the only thing I got out of it is that a lot of the pro-opposition guys in here aren't exactly far from the things they claim to be accused of. I'm sorry if it came off like I was criticizing you specifically. I intended to refer to people like Bob, Scent of Worf, and Thug Lessons (especially the last two who SUDDENLY burst in here yesterday; Bob's been around for a month at least). Like I said, there's a conversation to be had about how much the US should play a role, if at all, as several of the Venezuelan posters have mentioned REPEATEDLY. Or people could blindly repeat conspiracy theories that assume that every person in the opposition is an American stooge. One of these is far more interesting and valuable a conversation than the other. I'm not saying you believe these theories, but that there is a certain kind of poster who does just this (several of whom I have already mentioned). Their antics do nothing to further the conversation since they aren't actually interested in doing anything than angering (EDIT: or more generously, wasting the time of) regular posters by being reflexively anti-American without acknowledging that, at least in this instance, the aims of the US and the people at large are currently the same, namely the overthrow of the PSUV. The bigger question is what the opposition does to ensure that it remains independent of the US's aims and seeks to represent the proper will of the people. And that's a much harder task. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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MullardEL34 posted:How the hell did that happen? There's a story about that. In short, Lowtax decided to be "hands on" with the forums earlier this year to make it "safe for people to express their own opinions" after an offsite complained at him for being too "nice to the SJWs" (and, conversely, too strict with Trump fans and tankies). About 1/3 the moderation staff resigned in protest at his handling of the situation, including all the D&D mods. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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MullardEL34 posted:Welp, that backfired spectacularly then... To the contrary, it worked extremely well at running out most of the high-quality posters who didn't want to deal with the influx of unmoderated tankies and Trump-fans, which was always the goal of that offsite, who were just in it "for the lulz" and to make it safe to out transgender folks without repercussions.
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JailTrump posted:Was it something sensitive? No.
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Well, wrap it up venezolanos. You're on the same side as the US so you should just give up now and go back to supporting the PSUV, since otherwise you're just playing into the US's hands.
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Saladman posted:Please don't end up a secret, hidden statistic like the other Venezuelan poster who lived in Maracaibo probably did. RIP El Jefe (probably) 
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