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LeJackal posted:Those magazines aren't fixed. Yes, it is possible to change a gun's function by changing its individual parts.
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Aug 27, 2015 14:20
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LeJackal posted:Maybe you should be thinking about how to classify murderers and spree killers and work from that angle, as no murder or spree killing happens without a person involved. Maybe you should go make a thread about it if you want to, as I don't care about that?
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Aug 27, 2015 14:33
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LeJackal posted:Those magazines aren't fixed. We fought World War 2 with rifles that had fixed magazines. So what?
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Aug 27, 2015 14:58
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If all handguns disappeared it would have way way more of an impact than if all evil black death rifles disappeared. Makes u think.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:06
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tumblr.txt posted:If all handguns disappeared it would have way way more of an impact than if all evil black death rifles disappeared. Makes u think. Are there guns that shoot out the plague now? Seems an inefficient way to prevent home burglaries.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:07
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tumblr.txt posted:If all handguns disappeared it would have way way more of an impact than if all evil black death rifles disappeared. Makes u think. yeah, which is why I don't get why people so breathlessly defend hand guns. Like the only reason hang guns exist is to kill other people, they have no actual societal benefit outside of being used by public defenders such as trained police officers (not all police officers mind you) and soldiers. You want to take a loving AK to chipotle? okay w/e go wild we all see your pasty white rear end in cargo shorts coming from a mild away and can keep our phones ready to call 911 but hand guns are waaaaaay to easy to conceal.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:09
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Haven't black people exercising guns historically been the best solution towards firearm reform.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:12
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katlington posted:Maybe you should go make a thread about it if you want to, as I don't care about that? Well how do you propose classifying firearms if not by their inherent features? CommieGIR posted:We fought World War 2 with rifles that had fixed magazines. So what? Some of the weapons had fixed magazines, yes.  Some, like the BAR, didn't.  Or the M3.  Or the Thompson.  Or the M1. So what?
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Aug 27, 2015 15:13
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LeJackal posted:Well how do you propose classifying firearms if not by their inherent features? Guns should be categorized as either "Assault-Class Death Machines" or "Rooty-Tooty-Point-And-Shooties". I won't insult anyone's intelligence by explaining the difference between the two.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:22
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Owning a tank should be easier than owning a hand gun.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:30
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The gun is good! The penis is evil!
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Aug 27, 2015 15:30
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counterpoint op: no
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Aug 27, 2015 15:50
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What is D&D's stance on mech control? Like should civilians be allowed the awesome power of a PPC or AC/20, or should there be regulations on anything more powerful than a medium laser? Should there be tonnage limits on mech ownership?
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Aug 27, 2015 15:53
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various cheeses posted:What is D&D's stance on mech control? Like should civilians be allowed the awesome power of a PPC or AC/20, or should there be regulations on anything more powerful than a medium laser? Should there be tonnage limits on mech ownership? Literally entitled to as much as you can carry.
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Aug 27, 2015 15:59
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Bedshaped posted:boom That's a lot of police shootings.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:16
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LeJackal posted:Well how do you propose classifying firearms if not by their inherent features? I already addressed that. katlington posted:Guns can be easily classified by rate of fire, capacity and size. Higher rate of fire means more bodies quicker, higher capacity means longer between reloads and a small gun is easier to conceal. Rate of fire is simple because all that matters is auto or semi-auto, size would probably be some overall length and capacity would be whatever number decided by legislature.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:20
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katlington posted:I already addressed that. Your proposals are dumb and you are a butt.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:21
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various cheeses posted:What is D&D's stance on mech control? Like should civilians be allowed the awesome power of a PPC or AC/20, or should there be regulations on anything more powerful than a medium laser? Should there be tonnage limits on mech ownership? Your average Battlemech has enough maintenance and supply costs to eat your average wannabe Mechwarrior out of house and home if they are not working for some government or other large, very wealthy group. And good luck getting the licensing and training necessary to not kill yourself. Now Elementals and other powersuits, those are a real menace to society.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:21
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paragon1 posted:Your average Battlemech has enough maintenance and supply costs to eat your average wannabe Mechwarrior out of house and home if they are not working for some government or other large, very wealthy group. And good luck getting the licensing and training necessary to not kill yourself.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:25
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Volcott posted:Your proposals are dumb and you are a butt. It's not my idea, that's how it's done already. e: just to be clear, I did not invent the concepts of semi-automatic and automatic firearms, ammo capacity or length. SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 16:27
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https://twitter.com/reflectoronline
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Aug 27, 2015 16:28
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Venom Snake posted:Owning a tank should be easier than owning a hand gun. Owning a tank IS easier than owning a gun as far a the law is concerned.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:29
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katlington posted:It's not my idea, that's how it's done already. I completely misread your post. Sorry for calling you a butt. I'm going to go to bed now.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:36
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What do the pro-gun crowd say about the hordes of evidence that suggest gun restrictions/bans have a statistically significant effect in reducing gun crime in most other countries that have such legislation. Is the argument for guns literally only "Its our rights!!" and "black people will immediately rape my family in the middle of the night if I dont have firearms under my pillow"? Not being facetious, just a very confused poster from a country with plenty of gun restrictions and a very, very low gun crime rate.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:43
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Rakosi posted:What do the pro-gun crowd say about the hordes of evidence that suggest gun restrictions/bans have a statistically significant effect in reducing gun crime in most other countries that have such legislation. Is the argument for guns literally only "Its our rights!!" and "black people will immediately rape my family in the middle of the night if I dont have firearms under my pillow"? america is also a special place, americans are special people, there are already too many guns in america, sometimes you get coded references to the fact that other countries don't have the racial problems america does, etc.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:46
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Whatever you do you GOTTA make sure you're talking about the right type of gun or gun style or whatever sperglord incidental feature or I'm just gonna ignore your entire argument
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Aug 27, 2015 16:47
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Rakosi posted:What do the pro-gun crowd say about the hordes of evidence that suggest gun restrictions/bans have a statistically significant effect in reducing gun crime in most other countries that have such legislation. Is the argument for guns literally only "Its our rights!!" and "black people will immediately rape my family in the middle of the night if I dont have firearms under my pillow"? American gun advocates live in a carefully constructed bubble of confirmation bias and tortured logic where any half-remembered excuse why guns have nothing to do with crime are ceaselessly and uncritically repeated as gospel truth.
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Aug 27, 2015 16:57
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Rakosi posted:What do the pro-gun crowd say about the hordes of evidence that suggest gun restrictions/bans have a statistically significant effect in reducing gun crime in most other countries that have such legislation. Is the argument for guns literally only "Its our rights!!" and "black people will immediately rape my family in the middle of the night if I dont have firearms under my pillow"? The usual go-to argument is that those countries are "culturally homogenous" which roughly translates to "around blacks never relax". Edit: the argument that there are too many guns in America already is probably the best/only valid argument against gun control.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:03
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LeJackal posted:Well how do you propose classifying firearms if not by their inherent features?  I know that, but arguing the what defines a combat weapon on their magazine style is a worthless argument.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:06
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Who What Now posted:The usual go-to argument is that those countries are "culturally homogenous" which roughly translates to "around blacks never relax". There are actually four and a half rough categories of gun apologetics, which one advocates is mostly predicated on one's politics. One is "cultural homogenity," popular amongst the center-right. One point five is the unmasked version of this among the hard right, which is "minorities and immigrants." Two is "it's poverty!" which is popular among liberals, who ignore comparisons of HDI and violent crime and murder rates which indicate that poverty cannot be the only factor. Three is "guns have a zero impact on crime for no apparent reason" which is popular amongst libertarians, who aren't comfortable with overt racism or talking about poverty reduction. Four is "regardless of the consequences, I need guns to make my half-baked revolution fantasies insignificantly more plausible" which is common amongst dumb tough-talkers of any political affiliation.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:13
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Aug 27, 2015 17:15
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Grendels Dad posted:As history has shown, if everyone had a gun that shoots nukes no one would shoot their gun that shoots nukes. Yeah, but negligent discharges would be a mess
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Aug 27, 2015 17:21
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Rakosi posted:What do the pro-gun crowd say about the hordes of evidence that suggest gun restrictions/bans have a statistically significant effect in reducing gun crime in most other countries that have such legislation. Is the argument for guns literally only "Its our rights!!" and "black people will immediately rape my family in the middle of the night if I dont have firearms under my pillow"? A lot of those studies are based on extremely massaged statistics and are funded directly by gun control organizations. Also "gun crime" as a metric is stupid as hell. You're not an extra special kind of dead if you're killed by a gun rather than a knife or blunt object.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:22
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This thread would not have happened if I had had a gun.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:24
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various cheeses posted:Also "gun crime" as a metric is stupid as hell. You're not an extra special kind of dead if you're killed by a gun rather than a knife or blunt object. and yet these same people never stop whining about black on white or black on black crime
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Aug 27, 2015 17:25
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various cheeses posted:A lot of those studies are based on extremely massaged statistics and are funded directly by gun control organizations. Also "gun crime" as a metric is stupid as hell. You're not an extra special kind of dead if you're killed by a gun rather than a knife or blunt object. You are, however, more likely to die or be seriously injured if the altercation involves a gun.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:27
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various cheeses posted:A lot of those studies are based on extremely massaged statistics and are funded directly by gun control organizations. Also "gun crime" as a metric is stupid as hell. You're not an extra special kind of dead if you're killed by a gun rather than a knife or blunt object. Actually if you get killed by a gun you go to super-double-hell, so it actually does make you a special kind of dead.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:27
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Venom Snake posted:yeah, which is why I don't get why people so breathlessly defend hand guns. Like the only reason hang guns exist is to kill other people, they have no actual societal benefit outside of being used by public defenders such as trained police officers (not all police officers mind you) and soldiers. Those are weird societal benefits to be claiming. I mean even target shooting is more of a societal benefit than police or the military. Police only use handguns to defend themselves (no benefit to society) or enforce unjust laws (no benefit to society). The military basically uses handguns as a badge of rank and to carry out torture (like Allen West) and executions. Effectronica posted:This thread would not have happened if I had had a gun. Well this post wouldn't have happened, anyway.
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Let's not worry about "gun crime" specifically and instead just look at murder rates. Ok, the US has a murder rate 3-48 times that of anywhere else in the industrialized world, and the upper end of that range is our next door neighbor. Seems odd.
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