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Love that shiteating grin while she casts a vote for war.
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Aug 30, 2015 23:10
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Miltank posted:Love that shiteating grin while she casts a vote for war.  *votes for war and gore*
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Aug 30, 2015 23:12
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TEAYCHES posted:also im the one who bought I do not know if that statement is true, but I will take the chance that it is, therefore: I would like to extend my sincerest thanks for this purchase. It is literally and figuratively the coolest item in the smilies page. I unironically love it and almost feel like everyone in the Bernie Sanders thread owe you a little money for it.
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Aug 30, 2015 23:29
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It's dumb as hell. On the same level as "Democraps" or "Obummer."
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Aug 30, 2015 23:55
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Jewel Repetition posted:It's dumb as hell. On the same level as "Democraps" or "Obummer." Both of those are good though?
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Aug 30, 2015 23:57
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Jewel Repetition posted:It's dumb as hell. On the same level as "Democraps" or "Obummer." No, it's pretty funny, in a juvenile kind of way. And relative to where it is you're "hanging out", it's probably relatively high minded. Just remember: you, too, are posting on the Something Awful forums.
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Aug 31, 2015 00:19
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I live in a rural, conservative area and when I talk about left wing economic policies to people they will almost always end up agreeing with them if you avoid buzzwords. I think a lot of traditional white liberals (urban upper middle class types) are actually more naturally reactionary than some traditional conservatives (blue collar whites and such) when it comes to a lot of issues, but the Liberal vs Conservative label/Republican vs Democrat is more about culture war. I also think being a conservative is strongly attached (at least in conservative areas where I grew up) to masculinity, where if you're a liberal you're a pussy bleeding heart elitest who hasn't worked a day in your life, and much less about policies. The only elements that really draw them to the Republicans is racism, nationalism, and militarism. Which is why Donald Trump is being so successful, because he embodies all of those elements (and masculinity especially) while almost being straight up liberal in other areas that a good chunk of republicans dont care about. basically there's room for a european style conservative party if such a thing were to come into being, it would be good for the average white person, but minorities would be just as hosed as they always have been
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol she was even working on building the Iraq - OBL link lmao
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Dalael posted:I do not know if that statement is true, but I will take the chance that it is, therefore: I would like to extend my sincerest thanks for this purchase. It is literally and figuratively the coolest item in the smilies page. I unironically love it and almost feel like everyone in the Bernie Sanders thread owe you a little money for it. someone else actually created the image i just put up the cash
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Aug 31, 2015 03:41
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I still find it funny that people think every single 2003 Iraq vote was out of pure sincerity and love of death and not the end result of a years long campaign by neo-cons combined with out right lies from military leaders.
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Aug 31, 2015 04:38
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Venom Snake posted:I still find it funny that people think every single 2003 Iraq vote was out of pure sincerity and love of death and not the end result of a years long campaign by neo-cons combined with out right lies from military leaders. it wasnt at all sincere. i imagine a lot of congresscritters knew it was a loving crock of poo poo but calculated that it was political suicide in the years following 9/11 to not be a hawk so went along with it anyway. it was cynical politics, but cynical politics can result in just as much human suffering and death as true believers (maybe even more??) doesnt change the fact that plenty of people of integrity opposed it from the very start and didnt eat the obvious dogshit cheney & gang were serving up
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Aug 31, 2015 04:45
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Venom Snake posted:I still find it funny that people think every single 2003 Iraq vote was out of pure sincerity and love of death and not the end result of a years long campaign by neo-cons combined with out right lies from military leaders. I still find it funny that there are people who think congress people are so stupid that they can be easily bamboozled by a soulless, craven shitheel and a flimflam, coke-addled, drunk con-artist along with their cronies. Actually, it's not funny at all, because it's entirely plausible that congress people are, in general, that stupid.
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Feather posted:I still find it funny that there are people who think congress people are so stupid that they can be easily bamboozled by a soulless, craven shitheel and a flimflam, coke-addled, drunk con-artist along with their cronies. Actually, it's not funny at all, because it's entirely plausible that congress people are, in general, that stupid. lol this is some serious downplaying of the insane amount of work the neo-con movement put into getting actual generals to lie about intelligence. Like do you think the Iraq war vote suddenly just happened one day and wasn't the result of almost a full year of media war? Again goons are proving how little they know about how things work inside the belt way.
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Venom Snake posted:lol this is some serious downplaying of the insane amount of work the neo-con movement put into getting actual generals to lie about intelligence. Like do you think the Iraq war vote suddenly just happened one day and wasn't the result of almost a full year of media war? Again goons are proving how little they know about how things work inside the belt way. i would highly question someones judgement if they didnt know they were being played. also feather is wrong, these people werent stupid, just cynical. respond to my previous post its more accurate imo basically if you didnt succumb to pressure to vote for the iraq war you were political kryptonite in many places, or at least that was the assumption. if you dont have the integrity to stand up to media pressure and manipulation from a neocon president, including evil lizard men like dick cheney, then youre a worthless fraud, a hack, an unprincipled person, or easily fooled. i think it was more political hackery than fooling tho
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blue squares posted:Does that make me a war criminal because I was in the Navy from 2008-2013 Yes. And so are the voters who elected those senators and congresspeople who voted Yes to War. And so are the other voters who did not immediately take up the panga and destroy their neighbors for such transgressions against God and humanity. America and its people are burdened heavily with the wages of bloody sin. A burden which can only be lightened through the unleashing of rivers of gore. My friends the time is upon us to wage Haguely Jihad upon our neighbors. Good night, and may we find peace in Death.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yes. i see what you did there but there are different levels of culpability when a decision is made to go to war. for example, tony blair and george bush both would be hanged by the standards of the nuremberg trials, whereas blue squares would probably receive little to no punishment unless he were directly involved in something like abu graib or was wildly gunning civilians down in the street as a blackwater mercenary if you think that intention and scale of responsibility dont matter and you can throw all of this into some big homogeneous salad of equal guilt then im afraid you are a loving dumbass again as miltank said Miltank posted:Hillary can't be a war criminal because that might lead to some unpleasant implications about myself. the reason why the assertion that the leaders who supported the iraq war could be considered war criminals causes people like pener kropoopkin to make such senseless posts is because the implication is that so many of us are ok with washing our hands and nominating someone with as poor of judgement as hillary clinton as a presidential candidate, and its important to not confront that in yourself because then youd have to change your mind TEAYCHES has issued a correction as of 06:37 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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I think Hillary Clinton should be guillotined for a multitude of reasons, I just don't believe that we should dilute the gravity of war criminality by tossing in Yes-Man politicians. A Senator's guilt is not comparable to someone like Blair, who acts as the de facto Head of State.
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Venom Snake posted:lol this is some serious downplaying of the insane amount of work the neo-con movement put into getting actual generals to lie about intelligence. Like do you think the Iraq war vote suddenly just happened one day and wasn't the result of almost a full year of media war? Again goons are proving how little they know about how things work inside the belt way. And yet there are some who weren't fooled at all. Or do those representatives and senators also not know how things work inside the beltway? "lol," indeed.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think Hillary Clinton should be guillotined for a multitude of reasons, I just don't believe that we should dilute the gravity of war criminality by tossing in Yes-Man politicians. A Senator's guilt is not comparable to someone like Blair, who acts as the de facto Head of State. you are right, like with other mid-level nazi politicians the democrats who voted for the iraq war should be barred from serving in public office ever again
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Aug 31, 2015 07:21
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TEAYCHES posted:you are right, like with other mid-level nazi politicians the democrats who voted for the iraq war should be barred from serving in public office ever again And in reality, many of those mid-level Nazis who weren't directly operating the trains to the ovens were secretly recycled back into public service as a bulwark against the Commies. What they certainly never were was tried as war criminals.
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Aug 31, 2015 07:24
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Guys George W. Bush was such a genius, such a skilled bamboozler, that I succumbed to his lies. Vote me for president.
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Aug 31, 2015 08:22
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platzapS posted:Guys George W. Bush was such a genius, such a skilled bamboozler, that I succumbed to his lies. Vote me for president. That's a funny idea but not much of it was Dubya himself.
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Aug 31, 2015 08:25
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platzapS posted:Guys George W. Bush was such a genius, such a skilled bamboozler, that I succumbed to his lies. Vote me for president. I always love this sentiment when I hear it unironically. Ok so the GOP is both evil to the point of stupidity AND brilliant in that they fooled the left and the American people for years (decades, millennia, etc.). People who think that way have zero critical analysis skills. Or they have a light dusting of paranoid schizophrenia.
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Aug 31, 2015 09:06
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I think Obama was the best president we've had in my lifetime. Not really related but I needed somewhere to post it.
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Aug 31, 2015 09:08
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 See if your opinion holds over the rest of your lifetime. Not many options to choose from really.
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Helical Nightmares posted:I always love this sentiment when I hear it unironically. To be fair, the American people, as a group, are pretty stupid. This was once summarized by our third-most brain-damaged President when he said: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... you fool me–I can't get fooled again!"
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"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream"
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Jewel Repetition posted:I think Obama was the best president we've had in my lifetime. Not really related but I needed somewhere to post it. You talk real good for a 7 year old.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:04
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I'm basically fine with Hillary having blown with the establishment wind to an important degree, as long as it can be made clear to her that the wind is blowing against the establishment. On that level, I'm fine with giving her a ton of poo poo. Dudes like TEACHYES remind me, appropriately enough, of the HillaryIs44 crowd, though.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:12
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bernie $ander$
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You talk real good for a 7 year old. lol you liked literal black death clinton
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Nonsense posted:lol you liked literal black death clinton lol you think I wasn't talking about Bush 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:lol you think I wasn't talking about Bush bush made the world fear us, and those times were good
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Nonsense posted:bush made the world fear us, and those times were good You're a good man, Nonny.
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Nonsense posted:bush made the world fear us, and those times were good I think what you meant to say is that Bush made the world hate you (the US, not you personally). No one fears the US. Literally no one. The US can crush most armies within a few days/weeks, but they've shown times and times again that they can't hold a country and will eventually withdraw because they sustained 1/100th the casualities of the countries they invade.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:50
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haha remember when Saddam Hussein did everything America asked of him and we still invaded just because
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TEAYCHES posted:an aggressive war is, in and of itself, a war crime - whether or not you intended for even worse stuff to happen during the war, which is inevitable and why you dont go to war unless its a real loving excellent reason Actually it is not, an aggressive war is a crime against peace, which is considered separate from 'war crimes' under generally accepted principles. It's actually pretty much impossible for a member of congress to commit a war crime in office since you actually have to be doing the fighting (in the military) or in charge of those people (executive branch).
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corn in the bible posted:haha remember when Saddam Hussein did everything America asked of him and we still invaded just because i remember Fox News said rapes in iraq went down multiple percentage points because sadam's sons were murdered by US Marines.
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