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Negligent posted:Offer him a visa on the condition all proceeds go to a domestic violence organisation NBNco Sat 1 is going up in 15 minutes (6:30am) , watch it live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYxvpBNTduw http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/sky-muster-to-launch-amid-concerns-it-may-not-muster-promised-i/6817998 edit: coverage map 
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Sep 30, 2015 21:14
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It didn't blow up. Liberals now have helped the NBN, they must be angry.
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Stoca Zola posted:In this day and age anyone can get any idea off the internet what does it actually matter if there is a person carrying that idea crossing our border? We don't ban music, we don't censor TV, we don't filter the Internet (or do we? I forget). The idea that stopping a person stops an idea from getting here seems a bit outdated, I mean sure maybe for the true believers who go and see the event those ideas are legitimised, but isn't it already too late for those people? Banning a person isn't going to change those people's minds, and if we were really worried about other people catching those bad ideas, why don't we block and censor the other ways that people can be exposed to those ideas? If Chris Brown or Tyler the Creator could fill concerts with fans here then it's too late and the "damage" has already been done. It is true that the internet is a source of a lot of terrible ideas, but people are just as opposed to those in plenty of cases. Stuff like boycotts of advertisers on sites that promote MRAs or whatever. That is a better way of doing it than having the power rest with one person, but I don't see how that is practical for stuff like issuing visas. In any case, regardless of the media people can be opposed to society being exposed to certain ideas and act accordingly. Another way to look at it is the effect people with harmful beliefs have on existing believers within the country. Someone like that Dutch Islamiphobe politician can exacerbate feelings against an already marginalised community, should society permit that to happen?
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drunkill posted:NBNco Sat 1 is going up in 15 minutes (6:30am) , watch it live here: Thanks for the link. Looks like it made it up their in one piece. 100km in 2 minutes or so is pretty bloody fast.
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Unimpressed posted:Well, I have every problem with the idea that anyone can just come over and become a citizen of this country. For starters that would completely undermine the already weakening social contract. If 10 million people come here next year, do you think we will still be supporting unemployed people with even the meagre hand out that is Newstart? This argument is a really dumb Facebook meme used by neo Nazis. Unimpressed, your political position is fascism.
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Splode posted:This argument is a really dumb Facebook meme used by neo Nazis. Unimpressed, your political position is fascism. At this point, it's possible everyone misunderestimated Dutton and he is some sort of master troll. By carefully picking his targets he's managed to get a bunch of "leftists" contorting into tortured knots of hypocrisy to justify it. Look at all the people in this thread regressing into paranoiac xenophobes terrified the Other is going to come in and ruin our way of life, pollute our culture with his sick ideas and strange rituals or whatever. So we need to suppress the Other, because it's not necessarily a right to come to Australia, and we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.
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GetUp! apologise for 'racist aspects' of Chris Brown visa ban Campaigning organisation GetUp! have issued an apology for “racist aspects” of their campaign to ban US R&B singer Chris Brown from touring Australia. National director Paul Oosting said the group had acknowledged the inconsistency that had been pointed out over the weekend in targeting Brown, who has a history of domestic violence convictions, while not mounting campaigns for artists with similar backgrounds. “We have a migration system that unfairly targets people of colour and this is a system that we inadvertently fed into,” Mr Oosting said. “We caused angst and grief and we are unreservedly apologising for that.” The African-American singer Brown was issued a notice by the Australian government informing him of its intention to ban him from entering the country on character grounds, because of his 2009 assault on his then-girlfriend, pop star Rihanna. Brown pleaded guilty to bashing Rihanna and threatening to kill her, taking a plea deal that involved community service, counselling and five and a half years’ probation, which he completed in March. The singer has since visited Australia in 2011 and 2012 without visa issues before being told he would not be granted entry a few days ago. Brown tweeted on the issue saying he “would be more than grateful to come to Australia to raise awareness about domestic violence." The Australian government has given Brown 28 days in which to give reason for his entry. Brown will also need permission to enter New Zealand for a concert in December with the singer telling New Zealand he didn’t know how long someone should be punished. “I’m not sure how long one person should be punished for their sins when they’ve taken the necessary steps to redeem themselves,” he said. He has previously been denied entry to the UK and Canada.  Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/09/30/20/06/getup-retract-chris-brown-campaign-over-racist-aspects#sBlIyhqPRdbO1Q72.99 From a different interview: "You have to forgive yourself," he said. "You can't beat yourself up over the years, because it'll just eat at you and you'll be stuck in the past. And for me, I just learned to be a more humble individual and more of a conscious person." 
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Digiwizzard posted:At this point, it's possible everyone misunderestimated Dutton and he is some sort of master troll. By carefully picking his targets he's managed to get a bunch of "leftists" contorting into tortured knots of hypocrisy to justify it. Look at all the people in this thread regressing into paranoiac xenophobes terrified the Other is going to come in and ruin our way of life, pollute our culture with his sick ideas and strange rituals or whatever. So we need to suppress the Other, because it's not necessarily a right to come to Australia, and we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come. Exactly. I'm disappointed that so many auspol posters fell into this trap, and I'm glad amethyst fought the good fight even if it was in his usual style.
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I don't believe people who promote the murder of abortion clinic doctors should be allowed into the country. I also don't believe decisions on who should be allowed into the country should be made on a case by case basis at the discretion of the immigration minister.
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Splode posted:This argument is a really dumb Facebook meme used by neo Nazis. Unimpressed, your political position is fascism. Thanks for letting me know! I'll quickly ring up the united patriots or whatever the gently caress they're called. Solemn Sloth posted:I don't believe people who promote the murder of abortion clinic doctors should be allowed into the country. e: You too, are apparently a fascist!
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I'm big and tough and could smash basically any celebrity.
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Elected officials are uniquely unsuitable for making case by case decisions because there will be at the very least the suspicion of political considerations outweighing the actual details of the case.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I don't believe people who promote the murder of abortion clinic doctors should be allowed into the country. Excuse me, you appear to simultaneously hold views that belong to the "right" and the "wrong" side of this argument. Please correct this inconsistency ASAP.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I don't believe people who promote the murder of abortion clinic doctors should be allowed into the country. I also believe these things, I better report to the Re-Neducation Center. Also, we need a new thread I guess? Auspol October: Grey Areas Don't Exist, Right?
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Memento posted:
Mostly greens in here, so no, no such thing as grey.
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Not 100% sure that this isn't a troll, because I don't think someone would be this stupid.quote:
If he landed in Sydney, that would have been one of the following : Qantas / American / @ 6:10am Virgin / Delta / Air France / KLM @ 6:20 United / Air new Zealand / Lufthansa @ 6:50am Qantas / American @ 7:40am
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evilbastard posted:Not 100% sure that this isn't a troll, because I don't think someone would be this stupid. How did he get on the internet?
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He was going to Melbourne. The map even has a green target on Melb.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:How did he get on the internet? They've had internet on planes for a while now. It's not cheap, but I guess hate preacher is a pretty lucrative racket these days.
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Memento posted:I also believe these things, I better report to the Re-Neducation Center. "How dare you say that banning people for political speech is wrong and idiotic! Why are you so intolerant? Are you trying to ban my political speech?? Are you going to put me into reeducation camps?? Looks like liberals are the REAL racists!.." etc
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Amoeba102 posted:He was going to Melbourne. The map even has a green target on Melb. Whoops, missed that. In any case it looks like it has landed, and he was on the plane. quote:Rev. Patrick Mahoney @revmahoney 22m22 minutes ago
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Read on SMH that gov. is dumping university reforms. Though not really dumping, still leaving the option of reform open but not 'until 2017 at the earliest'. Guess they've got another election to win...
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Only I should decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come.
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Religious groups have requested Cannibal Corpse be banned from touring but its never been actioned. Would these recent denials of visas change that, if they were to tour now? I mean, their lyrics are pretty hosed up, but its just art. Tyler the Creator is also hosed up, but I dont believe hes been convicted of any crimes against women, and its just art too. You could be naive and assume Tyler was banned because he is more culturally relevant than Cannibal Corpse, but I think we all know thats not the case. If you ask Cannibal Corpse or Tyler if they Think their lyrics are cool and good ways to be, I dont think they would agree with you. When you ask Abortion hater guy, its a different story. I dont think we should be banning artists from performing here. I think its reasonable to ban someone who incites violence based on his own religious beliefs.
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Birdstrike posted:hey it's October I really hope nobody makes another thread.
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Laserface posted:Religious groups have requested Cannibal Corpse be banned from touring but its never been actioned. Would these recent denials of visas change that, if they were to tour now? Cannibal Corpse toured last year, apparently they even did all ages shows. People don't care about Cannibal Corpse because it's obviously an act, if they were more subtle they'd probably get more flak.
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open24hours posted:Cannibal Corpse toured last year, apparently they even did all ages shows. So Tyler the Creator is less of an act?
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Tyler the Creator was unfortunate enough to attract the attention of a very vocal group and the government saw it as an easy win. Cannibal Corpse would have probably been denied a visa if the same thing happened to them, but they're not seen as a threat in the same way. I don't think Tyler the Creator should have been banned, but it's pretty easy to argue that misogyny represents a real threat while mock Satanism doesn't. open24hours fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Good news everybody! Where's Mr Fix It?? Turnbull government abandons controversial university reforms in major departure from Abbott era http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...930-gjynlt.html quote:The Turnbull government has dropped its plan to allow universities to set their own fees from next year, and will go back to the drawing board on higher education reform.
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open24hours posted:Tyler the Creator was unfortunate enough to attract the attention of a very vocal group and the government saw it as an easy win. Cannibal Corpse would have probably been denied a visa if the same thing happened to them, but they're not seen as a threat in the same way. Cannibal Corpse arent exactly 'mock satanism' Songs include "stripped, raped and strangled", "hosed with a knife", "Hammer-smashed face"
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open24hours posted:As far as I know they don't actually do those things. Neither does Tyler the Creator.
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The Narrator posted:At what point is Tony going to get told to knock it the gently caress off? Every time he's been heard from since the spill, it's been him undermining the new government. The right has too much invested in Abbott for him to leave this quickly
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