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steinrokkan posted:People are served food they aren't used to -> They have medial problems -> They report said problems to the Red Cross workers running the facility -> THE ARABS SPIT ON OUR GENEROSITY You gather wrong.
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The Finns are the best in helping people, really. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8458023/Portugals-bailout-threatened-by-veto-from-Finland.html Lots of love from Portugal guys, keep fighting the good fight!
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waitwhatno posted:This is what I mean when I say that people, in general, are a little bit cuckoo in the head. Look: *world's tiniest violin starts playing* Most of the the developing world would not make up the majority of the planet's population if they didn't have such a comparatively high child per family figure when compared to the developed parts of the world. Basically you're saying most people live in poo poo. Yeah, that would not be the case if contraception was actually an embraced concept. Closely followed by not letting religion control your lives.
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awesome-express posted:*world's tiniest violin starts playing* Ahahahahaha. Holy poo poo. "Those guys are just a bunch of animals really, reproducing like there's no tomorrow. Oh and loving religion." Do you have really no empathy at all? They're people, just like you, you'd have probably made the same choices they did and vice versa. That's how the world works. However, there's a chance to actually improve the conditions for a lot of people and all you can think of is "oh well if only they didn't gently caress like dogs".
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awesome-express posted:*world's tiniest violin starts playing* Ah, the just-world fallacy. They brought this on themselves.
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awesome-express posted:*world's tiniest violin starts playing* holy poo poo, thread redeemed.  say, what's your opinion on the current immigrant situation in you home country?
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Starshark posted:Ah, the just-world fallacy. They brought this on themselves. Not really. But they are partly responsible. You would have to be a fool to think they have 0 impact on their predicament.
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waitwhatno posted:holy poo poo, thread redeemed. If you come here legally, you're more than welcome. Provided you integrate and contribute to society. Sorry y'all SJWs don't agree.
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awesome-express posted:*world's tiniest violin starts playing* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifgHHhw_6g8
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awesome-express posted:Not really. But they are partly responsible. You would have to be a fool to think they have 0 impact on their predicament. Awesome backpedal. Still, it's better than doubling-down.
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waitwhatno posted:what do you think about the fact that every European country was breeding out of control like rats until decent healthcare became available to women and children during industrialisation? does it in anyway clash with your preestablished notion that white people are the masters of their own destiny and self control? Edit: was phone posting and apparently messed up my previous post, refer to quotes to follow this conversation. My point was that race has nothing to this, and in order to reach prosperity you either need to act like the developed world does, or move there to integrate. Both are essentially the same and require changing your current behaviour. awesome-express fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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awesome-express posted:Not really. But they are partly responsible. You would have to be a fool to think they have 0 impact on their predicament. what do you think about the fact that every European country was breeding out of control like rats until decent healthcare became available to women and children during industrialisation? does it in anyway clash with your preestablished notion that white people are the masters of their own destiny and self control? are there any legal ways to seek refuge in your country? is there a way to get into your country and apply for asylum, without crossing another EU member state(excluding air travel and catapults)?
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awesome-express posted:Provided you integrate and contribute to society. That people first need to pass through a country's strict immigration laws, compounded by declining to provide food and shelter for them under the guise of "welfare leeches", compounded by sentiment against their ability to acquire good and full employment under the guise of "taking away jobs from real citizens", makes it exceedingly difficult for immigrants to integrate and contribute to society. Which then creates a feedback loop where the immigrants really don't get to integrate nor become productive citizens (or even just citizens, period), which reinforces the belief that they need to be treated harshly since they're not grateful to the country that deigned to take them in, and on and on and on.
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waitwhatno posted:does it in anyway clash with your preestablished notion that white people are the masters of their own destiny and self control? He didn't say that, don't return to the "brown people" strain of arguments, please.
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awesome-express posted:If you come here legally, you're more than welcome. Provided you integrate and contribute to society. Sorry y'all SJWs don't agree. Note that lactose intolerance makes you unable to integrate.
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steinrokkan posted:So I Googled the website you keep linking because the whole layout is suspicious and looks like a typical cheap tabloid rag website, and sure enough: Migrant Tales posted:The Finnish Ku Klux Klan impersonator was really Timo Soini’s and the Perussuomalaiset’s ogre
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The class hatred in this thread is pretty interesting. Did you know that the Syrian refugees are middle-class liberals, and not like those filthy poors who get radicalized?
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Reminder that the refugees are acutely aware of how difficult it will be for them to get medical care. They cannot afford to get food poisoning, their paranoia about food safety is entirely rational.awesome-express posted:*world's tiniest violin starts playing* To be honest, I'm kind of speechless. If only such arrogant selfishness expressed itself visibly on the face, so that others could treat you with the same callousness you express. Until then, you're just a parasite.
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rudatron posted:To be honest, I'm kind of speechless. If only such arrogant selfishness expressed itself visibly on the face, so that others could treat you with the same callousness you express. Until then, you're just a parasite.  dude relax, everyone in this thread is trolling and/or shitposting ( except for possibly Luigiger, that dude might be the real deal)
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Europe should just follow Australia's lead and send them all to offshore processing centres until the real refugees can be separated from the economic migrants.
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DancingShade posted:Europe should just follow Australia's lead and send them all to offshore processing centres until the real refugees can be separated from the economic migrants. There are no "real refugees" in an Australian camp, they all get sent to third-world hellholes or back to where they came from.
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'Oooh, 153 new posts in the Refugee thread. Surely something important happened' Nope, mostly shitposting.
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Starshark posted:There are no "real refugees" in an Australian camp, they all get sent to third-world hellholes or back to where they came from. Interesting. It seems Europe still has a lot to learn about proper refugee management. Out of curiosity, how does Australia differentiate between refugees and economic migrants?
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I can imagine posters find it difficult to believe people complain about frigging free food, but what can I say. These dudes traveling between Sweden and Finland are not the most wretched or desperate, if they could buy their way here they are probably what goes as the middle or upper class from where they came. After that, guyz, think about what they expected for a bit? As has been discussed in this thread (you can look up my post history to find out more and links) and all over the media the past weeks, these young Iraqi men came here with promises from both human smugglers and the social media of your own house, a regular cash injection in benefits every month which dwarfs what you can make in a month working in Iraq, and what's best plenty of jobs and companies screaming for more able hands. Soon you can buy a car and live in luxury. Those who are single have even been marketed with Scandinavian girls to boot (I know someone is thinking about a "lol they taek our women" reply, no need to smash the reply button though, I know they won't steal our women, it's just a thing that smuggler networks use "single Nordic women" as one of their marketing tools to cash on people). So what does actual reality look like? You are shoved into a bus by police and guys in military uniforms soon after the border, and escorted to a general processing center for a week or two. After the initial interviews, you are taken to a reception center which is most likely an old school or barracks where you sleep with 4 or 8 other guys in the same room on bunks or mattresses. Some people even end up in tents right now. The reception center is most likely in the middle of nowhere, probably a forest, the winter is coming, and next, you hear that processing your asylum application is halted for the near future, and when the processing re-boots you have to wait for 6 months or a year if not more for the result. Meanwhile, you receive some pocket money to the tune of 10€ a day and are not even allowed to look for a job, not that you could find one, because you don't speak Finnish, Swedish or fluent English. And there are no jobs. Now, what was promised and what the reality looks like do not match very well. Because the average 25 year old Iraqi man probably knows nothing else about Finland than what social media and the smuggler sold him, he might even think we're treating them like this out of malice, how on earth could they know our resources are stretched to the utmost limit right now and we simply can't offer more. You bet a bunk, rice and weak sauce isn't what they expected. I can imagine being pissed and protesting, too. waitwhatno posted:I know two homeless people here and I know how they feed them in the shelters. It's certainly not as nice as rice and beef, but nobody ever complains because its freaking free food. So, the refugees complaining about rice and beef, after surviving in lovely Turkish refugee camps and being on the road for a long time is an extraordinary claim for me. It might be true, but I'm not gonna take a tabloids word for it. Why would you? When some piece of news is reported on several large papers I tend not to automatically think "heh, lies!" even though it goes against my grain. That is why will take their word for it. For example here here an asylum seeker holds a plate of rice and some sort of sauce, saying it is dogfood at best. The food protests have been reported by every (that is YLE, the Finnish Public Broadcast company, a station in which the mission statement reads they "promote multiculturalism" and which is super immigration positive) major (that is Helsingin Sanomat, a liberal right-center-left paper, and not a tabloid) news site. It would take kilometers of tinfoil to believe it's all some wicked conspiracy. To re-reiterate, somewhere in Finland some immigrants have complained about fish soup with milk at some point, but these guys are not even them and you can bet asylum seekers are mostly served something else. What goes against the grain of your regular Finn is that the food services provide the same chow all of us ate in school, in the military, as students, in college cafeterias, what pensioners like my grandma used to eat, and so on. Also asylum seekers complaining about food and protesting has been a regular occurrence in Swede for a while now, but my head will probably not take well googling all those stories right now. quote:BILD, Germanies largest newspaper and a tabloid, made up a story about EMT workers being regularly stabbed in refugee camps and having to wear body armor as a result. The story was completely made up, including a manipulated photo. Papers twist things and especially leave out news that go against their agenda, but simply inventing demonstrations, stabbings etc. isn't part of our journalistic culture. Our reporters (and their bosses) sure do swear on some certain party line, and spin things accordingly, but making things up from thin air? No, not really. Also there's a bunch of blogs which exist only to out or debunk other blogs, social media bullshit, or actual news sites. Faking a protest would get caught in hours.
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kikkelivelho posted:Interesting. It seems Europe still has a lot to learn about proper refugee management. If you arrive by plane there's a bunch of bureaucrsts who assess your claim on its merits. If you arrive by boat it's straight to hell, you will not be settled in Australia even if you had your dick chopped off and 'you will die if we see you again' branded on your scrotum.
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Ligur posted:Think for a moment. I made one short post about asylum seekers protesting about food and causing police work with other activities. I thought that would be the start and end of it. But it wasn't. People freaked out, that can't be! No, you've pretty much spent the entire thread bitching about migrants and their negative affect on your delicate economy, and then went all baby boomer and ranted about how ungrateful they are. Anything else you'd like to add, Mr. Trump?
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Starshark posted:If you arrive by plane there's a bunch of bureaucrsts who assess your claim on its merits. If you arrive by boat it's straight to hell, you will not be settled in Australia even if you had your dick chopped off and 'you will die if we see you again' branded on your scrotum. The system works too. A "bad" reputation is exactly what you want so it filters back to wherever the economic migrants come from. To be clear for anyone who doesn't get it, a "bad" reputation is actually a good reputation to have. Lets face it, if you only wanted to not die you'd be happy with a safe shithole on a desert coastline. If they get snarky about not getting free whatever because they bought into some refugee boat timeshare bullshit then that's just Darwinism.
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DancingShade posted:
Yes, that's why they're going to Australia.
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DancingShade posted:Lets face it, if you only wanted to not die you'd be happy with a safe shithole on a desert coastline. So, you'd be happy with that if your country was at war, that's what you're saying?
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waitwhatno posted:
It's mostly pigeon chess. Debating in this thread is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory. "Refers to having a pointless debate with somebody utterly ignorant of the subject matter, but standing on a dogmatic position that cannot be moved with any amount of education or logic, but who always proclaims victory." perfectly describes someone like CB or the flock of posters who arrive here on occasion, to proclaim mightily "asylum seekers will benefit your economy" or "teh racism explains all" and when machinegunned links that prove exactly the opposite, *poof* just vanish. I have some staying power, fools.
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orange sky posted:So, you'd be happy with that if your country was at war, that's what you're saying? Sure. If you want to be picky about where you end up then you're just an economic migrant. A queue jumper.
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DancingShade posted:The system works too. A "bad" reputation is exactly what you want so it filters back to wherever the economic migrants come from. We still have people trying to get to Australia by boat(though the reports are sporadic due to government secrecy) so I'm not sure what you mean by 'the system works'. Maybe you mean it's cheaper? I'm phone posting so I don't have the exact figure to hand, but it's something over 300 000 dollars per person per year just to treat them like poo poo. It would be cheaper to let them in. But if you can demonstrate that it 'works' I'd be interested to see what you mean by that.
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Ligur posted:I can imagine posters find it difficult to believe people complain about frigging free food, but what can I say. These dudes traveling between Sweden and Finland are not the most wretched or desperate, if they could buy their way here they are probably what goes as the middle or upper class from where they came. heeey, that's an actually good post you made there. But then it seems like the problem is more that people were tricked into coming to Finland and are now understandably angry about being stuck there forever, due to how the asylum process works inside the EU. It doesn't seems like food is the culprit here. It's unfortunate, but they gonna have to power through it or leave the EU. Just like all the other people that will get "assigned" to your frozen, yet somehow obscenely rich, hellhole of a country. While they have a right to complain and protest and to try to improve their living conditions this way, from experiences around here, the food protests of refugees don't ever achieve much. They are a very marginalized group and media gets distracted very fast once the main media circus around their arrival dies down.
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The "bad reputation" thing clearly isn't working. During the last few weeks Finland has gone to great lengths to ruin its international image, yet the Iraqis still consider it the number one option: http://news.yahoo.com/finland-suddenly-top-choice-iraqi-migrants-103912617.html
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Imagine if you will a refugee boat pulling up to a wharf in Venice. No, lets say Finland. Some people greet them. The first is an old gent who takes ties them alongside and tilts his worn peaked cap with a warm well-practised smile. As the weary travellers disembark they meet the second, a smartly dressed (and conservatively, the new arrivals are Muslim after all) woman who also smiles and hands them all A4 buff envelopes with their their new passports, apartment keys and a free car catalogue with a selection of new-year BMW, Volvos and Audis to choose from. The last is a sharply dressed young man in business pants and a v-neck sweater, he looks a lot like an accountant. He hands them all unemployment and medical benefit cards and tells them "You'll be taken care of, we encourage you to apply for jobs but you know that's not strictly necessary". He winks once to each passing New Citizen. Once everyone has their new lives a fourth person in a tuxedo walks up to the crowd and waves them all into his fancy restaurant, free meals on the house for the beloved new arrivals. 
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A good article about the Refugee Crisis - a crisis of poison soup: Wall Street Journal - Migrant Wave Inspires Others to Attempt Trek to Europe A shorter piece NYT - A New Wave of Migrants Flees Iraq, Yearning for Europe
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waitwhatno posted:But then it seems like the problem is more that people were tricked into coming to Finland and are now understandably angry about being stuck there forever, due to how the asylum process works inside the EU. It doesn't seems like food is the culprit here. Might be that food is the outlet not the root cause. I'm just pretty sure this all had about nothing to do with lactose poison soup. quote:It's unfortunate, but they gonna have to power through it or leave the EU. Just like all the other people that will get "assigned" to your frozen, yet somehow obscenely rich, hellhole of a country. While they have a right to complain and protest and to try to improve their living conditions this way, from experiences around here, the food protests of refugees don't ever achieve much. They are a very marginalized group and media gets distracted very fast once the main media circus around their arrival dies down. Oh yeah they can complain all they want. They still will get the same food Finns get, and their living conditions won't improve for a while because we can't just magic up hotels and flats in Helsinki for them to live in (currently 25k people in the queue only on public housing in that one city). I wish they would complain more, in fact. As long as we receive more asylum seekers a week than we received all last year, the media circus will not die down and people will not shut up. For a tiny country in the throes of an almost decade old recession, horrible unemployment problems, and which is used to receiving between 3k to 6k asylum seekers a year, receiving 10k in a week or two non-stop all of a sudden isn't something that will be shrugged off. Your average taxpayer is slowly getting aware that the people coming over are not the poorest of wretches or Syrian children but rather burly young men from Iraq. Which is understandable, since old crones and babies probably don't hike across Europe, but the refugee crisis was sold to the public with pictures of Syrian babies in distress. The average person seriously does not read about poo poo too much, and were surprised when hulking bodybuilders from Iraq instead of Syria arrive, claiming I am a teenager who needs protection, and who have traveled through half a dozen safe countries already breaking every part of the Dublin agreement several times, and on top of that have been promised manna from heaven when they reach here and throw a fit when the truth unfolds. There were plenty of news the past two weeks where Iraqis told Finland is a heap of poo poo and they want out, and many even left. Unfortunately the word isn't as much out as it should be but I digress... This kind of stuff does not, and it shouldn't, sit well with people who are constantly being threatened and have to deal with cuts in services and salaries because we have to, ya know, save money. Because we're in a long term recession. And can't fund the stuff we could in the past. Then dudes from halfway around the world, obviously not in any great amount of danger, suddenly appear expecting to be treated like Kings. To use a bit of a hyperbole. If someone is pissed off, I don't blame them. Also, again, that we're obscenely rich is a myth. You can make 100k€/year but if you spend 120k/€ year anyway, and don't know how to do with less, and spend most of the 120k/€ on poo poo anyway, which is a good analogy for Finland, you are hosed.
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