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I can't not back a game in which elves might be aliens wielding laser bows.
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I couldn't back this fast enough. I've been looking forward to Fellowship for quite some time, and finally having a chance to throw in some money to help speed it's release along is exciting for me. Now that I have the preview PDFs, I can't wait to give this game a spin.
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Sep 8, 2015 17:10
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Gnome7, have you gotten a chance to see our group's feedback? I know you saw it once, but we've been adding more to the doc as the weeks progressed.
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Sep 8, 2015 18:04
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 Tolkien-Fellowship doesn't appeal to me as much, but the rules are obviously pretty flexible. I think Rat Queens-Fellowship would be a blast.
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Sep 8, 2015 21:42
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homullus posted:
But can I play a Smidgen?
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Sep 8, 2015 22:09
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Error 404 posted:But can I play a Smidgen? Cross out "Halfling" and write "Smidgen" and then cross out "pipe leaf" and replace it with "assortment of psychedelics" and you're set to be Betty.
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Sep 8, 2015 22:14
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homullus posted:Cross out "Halfling" and write "Smidgen" and then cross out "pipe leaf" and replace it with "assortment of psychedelics" and you're set to be Betty. If I wasn't already sold, I'd be sold. Also someone send a link to the creator of rat queens, he's going to be doing an rq game with Adam Koebel, maybe he should look at fellowship instead?
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Sep 8, 2015 22:51
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This sounds pretty neat. I've set Kickstarter to remind me and hopefully I'll have money to throw at the digital version before it ends.
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Sep 8, 2015 22:51
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homullus posted:
Well in the game I played this weekend, the fellowship were a bunch of rum-runners who found out the overlord's minions were elementally weak to alcohol, so now they're saving the world with booze. Also their moonshine is made from actual moonbeams plucked out of the night sky, because it was cool.
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Sep 9, 2015 03:21
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You know, I'm normally not a fan of things powered by Apocalypse, but this looks really, really fun. It offers a stronger framework for who gets what sorts of narrative control, and gives the group a more decided direction to take things in. I'm on board! I'm looking forward to getting a copy.
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Sep 9, 2015 19:24
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I really like the idea behind Overlord on the whole, and 'cuts' is an excellent term to use that really helps put me in the mindset of how GM moves are expected to be used in a cinematic style. It doesn't really change anything about moves, but just framing it that way immediately gives me a ton of ideas where I always had trouble following how soft and hard moves are supposed to hit when I did stuff in Dungeon World. I'm still trying to work out how I like the rest of the rules, but the GM stuff immediately makes me more interested in running a game since I get to do all the fun dumb stuff I like to do in making my own character while actually getting a framework to use it in, as opposed to that being a hard to maneuver faux pas in GMing. That alone has me pretty interested in seeing more of this.
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Sep 11, 2015 13:18
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Loved Inverse World, backed this as soon as I saw it. Looks great!
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Sep 11, 2015 13:56
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Backed this, shared it to some friends too.
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Sep 11, 2015 15:53
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I've read the preview and I already want to reskin the playbooks for a game more closer to Mass Effect. Or Touhou. Either way I need to run this for my gaming group. 
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Sep 11, 2015 16:02
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gnome7 posted:Absolutely. Reskinning is a major part of it - I really wanted to get away from every elf being a tolkien Elf. The Elf playbook lets you place as a merfolk or a space alien just as well as it does the traditional forest dweller. The commonality all Elves have is they're really good at the basic move Get Away, and they have a few weird abilities others mistake for magic. There is an outline for what they have and what they do but the fluff of how they do it is very open ended, and there are explicitly options for being veeeery different. Backed. I'm a huge fan of games that provide a strong structure, but are at the same time built for heavy reskinning. I'm looking forward to traveling mystical wuxia heroes from different lands under heaven battling evil overlord Cao Cao.
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Sep 11, 2015 18:21
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I've backed So gnome how do you decide on which moves you block out for the previews?
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Sep 11, 2015 19:38
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JesterOfAmerica posted:I've backed I kept the weirdest and most interesting moves visible and blocked out what was left, to give the illusion that every move is clever and interesting. Now, this isn't to say the hidden moves are less good. I just thought I'd do better showing off the weird things you could take rather than the moves to make you the Dwarfiest Dwarf to ever Dwarf, because you already know there's gonna be moves to do that. I also kept every move listed as a requirement for one of the Destinies in the rulebook, so you could use those if you managed to power through like 10 sessions with your friends before the kickstarter ends and you get the full PDF. sentrygun posted:I really like the idea behind Overlord on the whole, and 'cuts' is an excellent term to use that really helps put me in the mindset of how GM moves are expected to be used in a cinematic style. It doesn't really change anything about moves, but just framing it that way immediately gives me a ton of ideas where I always had trouble following how soft and hard moves are supposed to hit when I did stuff in Dungeon World. It's weird because that was an actual last-minute change before the kickstarter launch, but its one of those things that's just so fitting in retrospect. It came about when I realized just how confusing it was that the Overlord had Moves from their playbook, but also the GM Moves from Dungeon World, and that was a really bad terminology clash. The GM Moves needed renaming, especially since the Overlord isn't quite the full GM role. It took me a while but then I thought of Cuts, like scene-change Cuts, and it really stuck with me and now it's too good to change. My favorite bit was getting to change the definition from "GM Moves are how you influence and control the world around the players" to "Cuts are narrative weaponry you wield to destroy them with." Also "Hard Cuts" and "Soft Cuts" are really nice terms that I enjoy saying way more than Hard Moves / Soft Moves.
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Sep 11, 2015 21:48
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The GM having their own playbook is fascinating to me, but I will say the thing that sold me and made me go "I need this." was the individual control the player had over their culture. Being the bastion of information to questions is a way to encourage creativity in those that wouldn't usually, and is highlighting the design I really enjoy in PBTA games. I look forward to seeing the full move sets.
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Sep 12, 2015 19:21
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Project hit the first stretch goal for more pretty pictures, and there's a new one up: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1552912590/fellowship-a-tabletop-adventure-game/posts/1351127quote:The 12.5 thousand dollar stretch goal will be to vote on a new playbook for a member of the fellowship. After the kickstarter ends, I'll put up a list of playbooks I have ideas for, and everyone who has backed will get to vote for their favorite. Top-voted playbook will get a full write up in its own mini-PDF, with the new playbook, new companions, new fellowship moves, a new Destiny, a painting by Maddi Gonzalez in the same form as the ones we just funded, and character artwork by H.P. Heisler.
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Sep 12, 2015 19:31
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Litany Unheard posted:Project hit the first stretch goal for more pretty pictures, and there's a new one up: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1552912590/fellowship-a-tabletop-adventure-game/posts/1351127 The stretch goal after this should be to write all of them. Imagine reskinning the spirit as a pacifist monk. 
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Sep 12, 2015 19:51
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My ideas for playbooks are probably dumb but I went ahead and posted them in the comments. The Rebellious Child and the Old Hero. The son/daughter/creation of the overlord, rebelling against their creator/parent. and "the last survivor of a previous generation's fellowship", for those settings where the battle against an evil overlord is a cyclical thing.
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Sep 12, 2015 20:09
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Error 404 posted:The stretch goal after this should be to write all of them. Imagine reskinning the spirit as a pacifist monk. See, my first thought for the spirit was 'sweet, I've always wanted to play a rogue AI.' unseenlibrarian posted:My ideas for playbooks are probably dumb but I went ahead and posted them in the comments. The Rebellious Child and the Old Hero. The son/daughter/creation of the overlord, rebelling against their creator/parent. and "the last survivor of a previous generation's fellowship", for those settings where the battle against an evil overlord is a cyclical thing.
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Sep 12, 2015 20:59
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Androc posted:See, my first thought for the spirit was 'sweet, I've always wanted to play a rogue AI.'  Something to tempt me away from overlord, wow.
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Sep 12, 2015 21:27
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I was poking around about making a Rogue style character, with a criminal syndicate/band of rebels/pirate crew instead of a traditional community. Everyone needs a Han Solo.
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Sep 12, 2015 21:30
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chaos rhames posted:I was poking around about making a Rogue style character, with a criminal syndicate/band of rebels/pirate crew instead of a traditional community. Everyone needs a Han Solo. The Outlaw.
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Sep 12, 2015 21:49
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quote:The Pair, which would be about playing as two heroes from different peoples who are completely inseparable. Their core move would be for being in two places at once. This seems like either a fantastic roleplaying opportunity or insanity. A lot of turning your head left and right to indicate whether you're Rocco or Socco, or make them completely different so they're Victor and Tiny. Kai Tave posted:The Outlaw. I can dig it. Pair the Harbinger, the Outlaw and the Orc for the ultimate Antihero Party.
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Sep 12, 2015 22:24
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I'm genuinely fascinated as to how the Pair would work. My longest running character/s in any rpg was a pair of vampire wizards connected by psychic link with a, at this stage, massively complicated history. I've always enjoyed the duality and getting to play around with more than one character at once. So I'm really interested to see that one in action.
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Androc posted:See, my first thought for the spirit was 'sweet, I've always wanted to play a rogue AI.' Kiiinda. They might be better as destinies, since often as not that's the sort of thing that gets revealed partway through a series.
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Sep 12, 2015 23:11
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gnome7 posted:This is very encouraging to hear! I am glad you had such a good time with Inverse World, and I can only hope you are equally pleased with Fellowship. You could probably even run Fellowship in Invells, with a little care and reskinning the racial playbooks as island nations. I would like to see the section on being Taken Out fleshed out more. The "fellowship vs. overlord" genre is full of cases where at least one of their number doesn't make it, whether it be by noble sacrifice or dark betrayal or bad luck. Like, the section alludes to that, but I feel there should be incentive for a player to allow the Empire to Strike Back and a mechanism for how that is going to work out. homullus fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 18:34
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homullus posted:You could probably even run Fellowship in Invells, with a little care and reskinning the racial playbooks as island nations. There's one part of the book that mentions if you get taken out and decide you're dying, you can describe Death and what it offers you in exchange for your life, and whether or not you take that deal. I think that's a cool way for a PC's death to always have some meaning.
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Astus posted:There's one part of the book that mentions if you get taken out and decide you're dying, you can describe Death and what it offers you in exchange for your life, and whether or not you take that deal. I think that's a cool way for a PC's death to always have some meaning. Right, I re-read that before posting. That's what Death wants if you want to keep living. While it gives you an interesting "turn" to your character, that doesn't address or provide an alternative incentive for dying. The only incentive to die currently is "it's better than the deal Death was offering." Edit: Like, Gandalf and Boromir both get Taken Out. Gandalf literally describes Death and obviously takes the deal offered. Boromir does not. Fellowship does not currently give a player reason or incentive to make the Boromir choice, aside from either not liking what Death offers or actually just wanting to run a different playbook. It needs to be the player's choice for the PC to die, but I think there should be . . . something. Something else that involves the other players and the Overlord. homullus fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 19:03
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You misread that, it explicitly mentions that if you take the deal, "you are most certainly dead."
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Astus posted:You misread that, it explicitly mentions that if you take the deal, "you are most certainly dead." You're right: I totally misread it. My larger point still stands: there is no guidance or information about why I would ever want to be Boromir, other than my life is valuable, so Death can offer me something. What can I say Death offers? Does it need to be tied to Communities, the fellowship, the Generals, or my Companions? Are there limits? Does the Overlord have any say? If I accept, am I making one of my Companions into a PC? I get that this game is best suited to people who have played Dungeon World or other PbtA games, but it was a glaring hole in Dungeon World (though the reverse of this) and it's a glaring hole here, and it's likely this will be somebody's first such game. There's good guidance for the Overlord on playing to entertain, there's good guidance for the players on spotlight use; the death of a PC should involve both entertaining the whole group and clearly involves the spotlight. And then, there's the question of the next character. There doesn't need to be a chapter on this, but a paragraph of guidance -- even if it's "some groups will do X, others will do Y" -- would really help.
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E: Ignore the above, its towards the end of the playbook. They roll with +0 Doom. Unrelated, but I'm worried my players are going to fight over who gets to take the Firebrand destiny. And that's even before seeing its custom moves, so good work there. Big Mad Drongo fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 19:44
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homullus posted:Edit: Like, Gandalf and Boromir both get Taken Out. Gandalf literally describes Death and obviously takes the deal offered. Boromir does not. Fellowship does not currently give a player reason or incentive to make the Boromir choice, aside from either not liking what Death offers or actually just wanting to run a different playbook. It needs to be the player's choice for the PC to die, but I think there should be . . . something. Something else that involves the other players and the Overlord. Boromir absolutely took the deal Death offered, and the deal was "redeem yourself for betraying Frodo and live just long enough to tell Aragorn that the orcs took Merry and Pippin alive."
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GimpInBlack posted:Boromir absolutely took the deal Death offered, and the deal was "redeem yourself for betraying Frodo and live just long enough to tell Aragorn that the orcs took Merry and Pippin alive." I was still misunderstanding the move when I wrote that, but . . . why would Boromir's player choose that, when he could opt to not be dying at all and still tell Aragorn? Do you see what I mean about incentive? I think there needs to be more there to make PC death an attractive-but-rare option.
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Sep 14, 2015 19:56
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Perhaps his offer was for Merry and Pippin to be taken alive, not dead.
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Sep 14, 2015 19:58
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homullus posted:I was still misunderstanding the move when I wrote that, but . . . why would Boromir's player choose that, when he could opt to not be dying at all and still tell Aragorn? Do you see what I mean about incentive? I think there needs to be more there to make PC death an attractive-but-rare option. Because by not dying he doesn't redeem himself for his earlier failure with Frodo and the Ring, which is clearly a huge part of Boromir's player's goal for the story. There's also the "fiction first" mantra to consider: Boromir is Taken Out by a vast army of bloodthirsty Uruk-hai who are there specifically to kill everyone but the halflings. The only Fellowship members near to hand are two effectively-noncombatant Hobbits. This is probably a case where the player looked at the situation and said "yeah, there's no way Boromir gets out of this one alive. But drat if he's not going out in style!" Impermanent posted:Perhaps his offer was for Merry and Pippin to be taken alive, not dead. Oh that would make sense too, if Merry and Pippin weren't PCs.
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GimpInBlack posted:Oh that would make sense too, if Merry and Pippin weren't PCs. They kinda weren't until that point
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Impermanent posted:Perhaps his offer was for Merry and Pippin to be taken alive, not dead. If Merry and Pippin are Companions, perhaps -- and maybe Boromir's player promotes one of them to his or her PC . . . but then both get elevated to PC status. Otherwise, avoiding death would be 100% under the control of Merry and Pippin's players. GimpInBlack posted:Because by not dying he doesn't redeem himself for his earlier failure with Frodo and the Ring, which is clearly a huge part of Boromir's player's goal for the story. There's also the "fiction first" mantra to consider: Boromir is Taken Out by a vast army of bloodthirsty Uruk-hai who are there specifically to kill everyone but the halflings. The only Fellowship members near to hand are two effectively-noncombatant Hobbits. This is probably a case where the player looked at the situation and said "yeah, there's no way Boromir gets out of this one alive. But drat if he's not going out in style!" Your take is that Boromir's redemption comes not from his willingness to die, but his actual death? I don't know that I'm on board with that, but I don't think it matters for this. But Fellowship specifically cites Lord of the Rings as one of its inspirations, and also casts the game as inherently cooperative and optimistic; I don't think Fellowship actually accommodates a Boromir in its current form. You don't have a member of the Fellowship working against the others in any capacity, beyond possibly the demand made when a PC is Taken Out in the presence of the Overlord. So, like, in the course of human events, it is totally possible to play a game of Fellowship in which a character goes all Boromir in that campaign for reasons and then gets Taken Out and chooses to accept Death's offer and bite it for a redemptive moment. That can happen and the rules don't get in the way of that. Fellowship the game, though, does not incentivize or support Boromirs explicitly, even in the section of the game most relevant to that, which I think is absolutely a missed opportunity, given how frequently you have the deaths of fellowship members in the fantasy fellowship genre post-Tolkien. Maybe that's intentional -- the game is so much more about the adversaries and obstacles faced in the genre -- but often temptation is one of those obstacles.
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