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I just cant stop min-cashing these $5 GPPs for like $7. I mean, its better than losing I suppose but I need to rethink my strategy for higher upside.
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That Charles Clay touchdown that got called back cost me hundreds of bucks, and Melvin Gordon not getting a rushing TD at the drat ONE yard line also screwed me. Up for the week though, and the sweet Edelman/Brady/Gronk/Lewis stack is back! Time to do some cash games.
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Ozu posted:I just cant stop min-cashing these $5 GPPs for like $7. I mean, its better than losing I suppose but I need to rethink my strategy for higher upside. Me too. I think I need to rely a bit less on projections and more on the Fan Duel ownership % in constructing my GPP lineups. Being a slave to projections means that you basically put in cash lineups with a stack, which is often enough to cash, but almost never enough to cash high.
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CompeAnansi posted:For it being a weird, low scoring week, I did alright. It really helped me that Monday night football was low scoring since I didn't have anyone in it. Ended up getting 180% of my entry fees back across the three sites I played this week, which is pretty nice. Would be even nicer if I was actually playing with big money, but nice nonetheless. How'd everyone else do? I made ~225 or so on FanDuel this week; I'm floating around 150 around in $50/$25 tournaments and finishing in the money in a couple weekly. I don't expect it to be sustainable, so maybe I should just cash out while i'm ahead.
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Oct 6, 2015 18:30
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Extremely small sample size results through 4 weeks Fanduel: -50% ROI Fantasydraft +600% ROI I don't know what I'm doing wrong on Fanduel when I can't even cash the rookie 50/50s, but I'm having fun on Fantasydraft with the flatter payouts and constant overlay. You're not going to win a million bucks there or anything, but Fantasydraft seems perfect for low-rollers like me. And there's no loving kickers. Plus they had a contest where everyone who beat Jimmy Johnson won a ticket to their $25 GPP next week, and Jimmy finished in the bottom 3rd. 
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Oct 6, 2015 19:55
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Fanduel and Draftkings have permanently banned employees from playing on any dfs sites http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13827269/fanduel-permanently-bans-employees-playing-dfs-money-amid-inquiry The SituAsian fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Oct 7, 2015 20:03
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Only [days since DFS sites were founded] days too late!
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I know I come off like a shill or apologist, but I think banning employees from playing other sites is a bad move in the long run. Obviously it needs to happen now, until their data integrity policies are improved, but I don't think it's a good thing for this to have to happen. For one, I don't want people who don't play to be setting the prices and designing new contests. Also, would people care if an ESPN employee played season-long Yahoo pro leagues? I'm sure there are tons of private data in season-long that could be used to an advantage in other leagues. I am legitimately curious: those of you who agree with the banning as a permanent move, how do you feel about the equivalent in season-long?
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Oct 8, 2015 01:22
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I know I come off like a shill or apologist, but I think banning employees from playing other sites is a bad move in the long run. Obviously it needs to happen now, until their data integrity policies are improved, but I don't think it's a good thing for this to have to happen. I can only speak for Draftkings playing because I play there mostly but the sharks are setting the prices and designing new contests, I just didn't think the Sharks were partially DFS employees, I figured they were just the rest of the ex-poker players. And for season long leagues, who cares? These aren't being managed through the websites, they are being managed by off website league managers. There isn't nearly as much daily money being exchanged and also is a much more casual medium. I don't think I'd care in that instance.
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Yuzenn posted:I can only speak for Draftkings playing because I play there mostly but the sharks are setting the prices and designing new contests, I just didn't think the Sharks were partially DFS employees, I figured they were just the rest of the ex-poker players. Yuzenn posted:And for season long leagues, who cares? These aren't being managed through the websites, they are being managed by off website league managers. There isn't nearly as much daily money being exchanged and also is a much more casual medium. I don't think I'd care in that instance. SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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It doesn't actually matter whether the dude cheated or even whether he could have. The two major face companies of a brand new billion dollar industry with already shaky PR based on its connection to old poker industry and its status as sort of gambling need to avoid any whiff of possible impropriety. Even if that means being too draconian on their employees and being a little unfair to them.
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Based on the current PR situation, yes. But from day one? I disagree. And it's not an issue of being fair to their employees, it's an issue of being able to put out a good product. If they had banned employees from day one I just don't see how they could have been nearly as successful. To me it comes off like restricting everyone who works at a bank from ever investing money anywhere. Clearly I'm in the minority with that opinion but if the data integrity problems never occur I don't see how employees playing on another site looks improper.
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SO I think the issue here is you don't understand the reason this is a problem. Ownership data between fantasy sites and even waiver data are useless statistics (they're basically driven by the content on the front page of the fantasy portion of the site). If it made an appreciable difference, you would have to apply your inside data once a week every week for sixteen weeks to help you take down the vaunted pro league title and like a thousand bucks or whatever. In theory he did this once and made hundreds of thousands of dollars. The tippy top put in dozens of lineups and by knowing ownership data, they can optimize the lineups to differentiate themselves enough from the rest of the tournament to give them enough of an edge to take down big money. It's not analogous to pro leagues or a bank at all. It's more like insider trading.
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ESPN posted:FanDuel spokesperson Justine Sacco told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the company's internal data showed that DraftKings employees won 0.3 percent of the money the company has awarded in its history. While Sacco wouldn't disclose the specific number, it is known the company has given out nearly $2 billion, which would put the DraftKings employees' winnings at around $6 million. http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13827269/fanduel-permanently-bans-employees-playing-dfs-money-amid-inquiry That's quite a bit more than one guy getting lucky.
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It's also important to note that multiple teams cannot own the same players in a season long league. In a season long league, you're more likely to win if you own a player that lots of other teams own, which is the complete opposite of daily leagues.
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Guys, winning isn't evidence of cheating. I can't believe I need to say that. And the sites have been hiring DFS experts, because---surprise---they are well qualified to work on DFS products. Most of them were just as successful before they were hired, if not more so due to reversion to the mean. It's well known in the industry that if you want to work for a site you should win some tournaments to prove that you know what you're doing. Kind of like in other industries, where past success helps you get a job in the future.old dog child posted:It's also important to note that multiple teams cannot own the same players in a season long league. In a season long league, you're more likely to win if you own a player that lots of other teams own, which is the complete opposite of daily leagues. Right, so the analogy would be (for example) looking up who the top waiver claims are on the site you work at, and then claiming those guys on the site you play on. SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Yes but as I said, all that matters now is the avoidance of any semblance of impropriety. The question of whether they should have been banned from the beginning isn't terribly relevant. They have to be banned now, even though that honestly sucks for them since they are pros, and will likely lead to pros not wanting to work for the sites in the future.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Right, so the analogy would be (for example) looking up who the top waiver claims are on the site you work at, and then claiming those guys on the site you play on. This is literally a useless exercise. It's more like having access to your league's FAAB bids and being able to bid $1 more on the players you want. And also forcing other players to trade with you. And also forcing other players to leave your preferred draft picks.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Right, so the analogy would be (for example) looking up who the top waiver claims are on the site you work at, and then claiming those guys on the site you play on. That''s a dumb example. Here's the secret to finding out the top claims: read Rotoworld. Shocking, I know.
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Spoeank posted:This is literally a useless exercise. It's more like having access to your league's FAAB bids and being able to bid $1 more on the players you want. What? Even the worst accusations are nothing like that. The issue is DFS employees playing on sites other than the site they work at. They've never been able to play on their employer's site. old dog child posted:That''s a dumb example. Here's the secret to finding out the top claims: read Rotoworld. Shocking, I know. That's exactly my point. The best way to find out what the ownership levels will be on a DFS game are to look them up on FantasyPros.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:That's exactly my point. The best way to find out what the ownership levels will be on a DFS game are to look them up on FantasyPros. No. FantasyPros does not have future ownership levels. They have projections, i.e. guesses. Anyways, despite how miserably you presented your argument, I'm pretty sure I agree with you that banning all employees from any DFS involvement in the long run isn't a solution, because either 1) there will be no long run or 2) regulation will include impartial 3rd parties that will define exactly who knows what, so only specific employees that are on the Game Integrity Team will be banned. Random but relevant link to Chris Grove's live updated FAQs: http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4548/draftkings-data-leak-faq/
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AnacondaHL posted:No. FantasyPros does not have future ownership levels. They have projections, i.e. guesses. Right, but the accusation is that ownership levels on DraftKings were used to gain an advantage on FanDuel. In that sense, the former were (allegedly) used as an estimate of the latter. My point is that the FantasyPros projections of FanDuel ownership levels provide a better estimate of FanDuel ownership levels than the actual DraftKings ownership levels do. If the actual DraftKings ownership levels were known by people entering DraftKings contests, then yes this is completely different. Even ignoring the existence of explicit projections of ownership levels, the analogy to the season-long waiver wire holds up. Having premature access to waiver wire claims (in leagues other than your own) would not be that valuable because it is pretty easy to figure out who people will claim by reading articles, watching SportsCenter, etc. Similarly, having premature access to ownership levels (in leagues other than your own) would not be that valuable because it is pretty easy to figure out who people will play by reading articles, watching SportsCenter, etc. This is an irrelevant derail though (and entirely my fault; apologies) because even if the advantage is minimal it still shouldn't be allowed. I agree that your (2) is the most likely outcome here. I welcome the third-party investigation and will be surprised if they find anything more damning than incompetence or carelessness. My original post defending the (eventual) ability of (certain) employees to play at other sites was just in response to this comment: Spoeank posted:Only [days since DFS sites were founded] days too late!
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I find it funny you're putting up a passionate defense of the system within a week of them showing exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to play DFS given their access to privileged information.
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Can someone talk me out of starting Alex Smith against Chicago @ KC? $5,500 seems like a deal on DK
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I have a couple lineups with him. I usually stack with Jamaal Charles because when they score it will be mostly him, and PPR for all of Alex Smith's dumpoffs should be pretty solid.
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So apparently FanDuel is running a promotion that if you participated in paid football games for at least 2 of the first 4 weeks of the season you are entered into a Week 5 Freeroll with a chance to win a car. I played all 4, so I can win a Porche 911 Turbo - I only need to beat like 500,000 people. I thought I had been hacked because it just popped up in my Upcoming Games list with the worst roster I've ever seen. It was just a bunch of dudes on the IR. So if you qualify make sure to check and see if you're entered and then edit your roster. 3 of 4 weeks has a chance at a Ford Mustang 2 of 4 is a Mini
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My Porsche 911 entry has Sean Mannion at QB. 
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Gobias Ind. posted:So apparently FanDuel is running a promotion that if you participated in paid football games for at least 2 of the first 4 weeks of the season you are entered into a Week 5 Freeroll with a chance to win a car. I played all 4, so I can win a Porche 911 Turbo - I only need to beat like 500,000 people. Get a job at DK to increase your odds.
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Going Brady/Charles/Bell-heavy in most of my 50/50's this week. Let's hope Blount doesn't get 5 TD's this week. Also liking Crowder and Kendall Wright @ WR, though I may switch up Wright.
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Here's what I'm thinking about for my DraftKings head-to-head games: QB Palmer 6,600 @ DET RB Forsett 5,800 v CLE RB Yeldon 4,400 @ TB WR Jones 9,200 v WAS WR Fitzgerald 6,800 @ DET WR Maclin 6,000 v CHI TE Daniels 2,700 @ OAK Flex Wright 5,400 v BUF DST Giants 2,900 v SF Gotta start your TEs against Oakland. Forsett and Yeldon should get enough work against bad defenses to make them worth it. Maclin's been on fire the last 2 games and I think he can do it again in a shootout with a bad Chicago D. railroad terror posted:Going Brady/Charles/Bell-heavy in most of my 50/50's this week. Let's hope Blount doesn't get 5 TD's this week. Also liking Crowder and Kendall Wright @ WR, though I may switch up Wright.
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Hopkins is a total stud. He hit 4.29x value on DK without a TD and got 22.4 on Yahoo (not sure how to do value calculations with their pricing). He's a weekly start until we have reason to think his target count will decrease.
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I played the Monday/Thursday night game with $50k to first place -- added in Jaelen Strong at the last minute. Even with 135k people and only two games, Strong was only owned by 0.4% of players. Incredible. Unfortunately it didn't matter in the end because I picked the Houston D instead of the Detroit D (22 points to 1 point). If I had picked Detroit, I'd have ended up with a nice $500 payday. Ohhh well.
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railroad terror posted:I played the Monday/Thursday night game with $50k to first place -- added in Jaelen Strong at the last minute. Even with 135k people and only two games, Strong was only owned by 0.4% of players. Incredible. Unfortunately it didn't matter in the end because I picked the Houston D instead of the Detroit D (22 points to 1 point). If I had picked Detroit, I'd have ended up with a nice $500 payday. Ohhh well. The good news is that almost every mashup of those monday/thursday lineups most people had at least cashed in if you had Dhop on the teams and DIDN'T chose the texans D. I never expected to get 9 bucks from those poo poo lineups but gently caress it, i'll take it.
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haha.. just read this DK email that came inquote:As the three co-founders of DraftKings, we want to speak to you directly about what has been going on. tl;dr - other DFS site employees can't play on our site, but we're still not gonna ban our own employees from playing on other DFS sites? 
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Varg posted:haha.. just read this DK email that came in The first bullet poiint says that DK employees can no longer play for money on other sites.
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JoshTheStampede posted:The first bullet poiint says that DK employees can no longer play for money on other sites. quote:We expanded our existing policy prohibiting DraftKings employees from playing on our site to prohibit participation in any public daily fantasy sports contests for money. wow yeah I had to re-read that like 3 times now to see that's what they meant, I thought it said they just still couldn't play on their own site
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Anyone interested in a $10 league on either Draftkings or Fanduel for the weekend? I'm surprised I haven't seen any goon leagues yet.
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Dopple Dabbler posted:Anyone interested in a $10 league on either Draftkings or Fanduel for the weekend? I'm surprised I haven't seen any goon leagues yet. I don't think they make financial sense to play a 10 dollar league if it isn't a double up or 50/50 and that's why no one plays. On an economy of scale you could enter 10 one dollar tournaments or just do a 10 dollar double up....
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I feel good this week. I don't know why, I didn't really do enough research. This is why this game is so addicting. I threw together like 3 different lineups in the last hour and I feel like I can win. Ha, I guess we'll see.
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I didn't feel like putting any effort this week so I threw together a quick lineup in one of those 25 cent games hoping for a miracle
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