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JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
Me, every week on Saturday evening: man these lineups own I'm gonna win this week I feel it.

Me, every week at 1:15 Sunday: what was I thinking these are all terrible.

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coronaball
Feb 6, 2005

You're finished, pork-o-nazi!
The Charles, Hankerson, and TJ Yeldon are gutting me today. :(

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

I can't believe Snead was only 9.1% drafted, given all his press and positive projections. Guess that shows just how much people pay attention to the free tools available online.

I can't believe Julio Jones still managed 17.7 points despite limping around on one leg the whole day.

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

Be weary when you see oppression disguised as progression

The Spirit told me to use discernment and a Smith n Wesson at my discretion

Practice heavy self reflection, avoid self deception
If you lost, get re-direction
It's always the "don't think too much don't give a gently caress" lineups that do well.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


I also didn't have time to put any effort into my lineups this week. I quickly threw together a $5 Fantasy Draft. Had Gurley, Sims, and Snead this morning so feel pretty good going into the afternoon games.

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.

it was going well today with Forsett/Dion Lewis/Edelman/Kamar Aiken until my TE choice of Owen Daniels decided to be invisible

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


Varg posted:

it was going well today with Forsett/Dion Lewis/Edelman/Kamar Aiken until my TE choice of Owen Daniels decided to be invisible

Decided to? His stat line is 12-62-2. That's for the year.

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.

I know but it's the drat Raiders :smith:

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

jabro posted:

Decided to? His stat line is 12-62-2. That's for the year.

The raiders made Crockett Gilmore and Gary Barnidge look like Tony Gonzalez so Daniels not getting anything done was a bit of a surprise.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


JoshTheStampede posted:

The raiders made Crockett Gilmore and Gary Barnidge look like Tony Gonzalez so Daniels not getting anything done was a bit of a surprise.

I wouldn't exactly call it a surprise but he was a great candidate in tourneys for the matchup. I was just being a typical goon picking out two words in his sentence and taking them literally than his true meaning.

Sub Par
Jul 18, 2001


Dinosaur Gum
In hindsight I probably should have yanked Julio out of more of my lineups. Him having a mediocre day and Demaryius sucking rear end really screwed me. Most of my lineups contained one of them and my best scoring one had them both and still managed 180 on DK.

I'm learning some important lessons today though, and think I'll do better next week.

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

Be weary when you see oppression disguised as progression

The Spirit told me to use discernment and a Smith n Wesson at my discretion

Practice heavy self reflection, avoid self deception
If you lost, get re-direction
New rule, include Freeman and Hopkins into every lineup ever.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

Yuzenn posted:

New rule, include Freeman and Hopkins into every lineup ever.

Yeah Freeman in particular play him until he loses you money, basically.

CompeAnansi
Feb 1, 2011

I respectfully decline
the invitation to join
your hallucination

Yuzenn posted:

New rule, include Freeman and Hopkins into every lineup ever.

Yeah Freeman is looking like the real deal. I backed off of him a little bit and didn't put him in every lineup this week and put Charles in instead. Whoops. But who could predict an ACL tear early in the game...

Hopkins is a stud and has been a stud for a while. The way he can get wide open on good coverage reminds me of Julio.

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

Be weary when you see oppression disguised as progression

The Spirit told me to use discernment and a Smith n Wesson at my discretion

Practice heavy self reflection, avoid self deception
If you lost, get re-direction

CompeAnansi posted:

Yeah Freeman is looking like the real deal. I backed off of him a little bit and didn't put him in every lineup this week and put Charles in instead. Whoops. But who could predict an ACL tear early in the game...

Hopkins is a stud and has been a stud for a while. The way he can get wide open on good coverage reminds me of Julio.

Freeman and Julio are drat LOCKS against the Saints defense...Thursday game be damned.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Yuzenn posted:

Freeman and Julio are drat LOCKS against the Saints defense...Thursday game be damned.

No way on Julio, unless he has like the best injury report ever, because his leg looks miserable.

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
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Tried hard this week, made a spreadsheet with just a free projection. And only entered 2 $5 heads ups and a $1 tourney. But I should be winning both the heads up matches, but need a miracle from Rivers and Gates to cash the tourney.

CompeAnansi
Feb 1, 2011

I respectfully decline
the invitation to join
your hallucination

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

Tried hard this week, made a spreadsheet with just a free projection. And only entered 2 $5 heads ups and a $1 tourney. But I should be winning both the heads up matches, but need a miracle from Rivers and Gates to cash the tourney.

I highly, HIGHLY, recommend entering as many contests as is feasible with your bankroll. So if you're working with less than $20, you should be entering $1 contests only. If you're working with $200, then maybe you can graduate to $3-5 contests. Doing this will enable you to diversify the lineups you're facing, giving you more proportional payoff for how well your lineups actually performed. In short, you're taking a large risk on those two $5 H2Hs compared to ten $1 H2Hs.

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

So I finally gave up on fanduel because of how terrible I was and decided to put about $10 into fantasydraft.com and see how I did.

I just won a $2 triple up (if I had put that team in a wildcat, i'd have won about $20!)

I came in 2nd in a 226 person $2 league and won $30. I lost out on 1st for $50 by .10, should've thrown it to Gates 1 more time!

I won $35 in a wishbone

And I won $3 or $4 in a couple of other contests. I think i'm sticking fantasydraft!

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro
That last second TD from Bell took me from down 20 bucks to up 30, so thanks Leveon!

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

Oy, I had a terrible week. Still up on the season at least, but barely.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


jabro posted:

I also didn't have time to put any effort into my lineups this week. I quickly threw together a $5 Fantasy Draft. Had Gurley, Sims, and Snead this morning so feel pretty good going into the afternoon games.

Keenen, Gronk, and Blounte hosed me but I still doubled my money. Fantasy Draft is where it's at until the overlay disappears.

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
I'm in shock and awe. A friend of mine just won$150,000 on Fanduel apparently. He put $5 on a field of 450,000 and got first. Here's the lineup. What the gently caress.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Cruised into my second top 100 finish in the FantasyPros freeroll for a smooth 300% ROI how is this legaaallllll

Sub Par
Jul 18, 2001


Dinosaur Gum

JoshTheStampede posted:

That last second TD from Bell took me from down 20 bucks to up 30, so thanks Leveon!

It took me from up $10 to down $3 :argh:

Matt Ryan really hosed me this week. Had a couple lineups that would have been in the top 50-100 of some large GPPs with virtually any other QB. God damnit.

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre
NYTimes just published an article stating that the FBI is formally conducting an investigation of DFS sites:

NYTimes posted:

A recent study in Sports Business Daily found that over the first half of this year’s Major League Baseball season, 91 percent of daily fantasy sports player profits were won by just 1.3 percent of the players. In fact, on average, the top 11 players paid $2 million in entry fees and made profits of $135,000 each while accounting for 17 percent of all entry fees.

Many of those players use automated processes that let them change hundreds, if not thousands, of lineups in seconds, a decided advantage when last-minute changes are made in the real lineups of professional football, basketball or baseball teams.

Article can be found here.

Marshmallow Blue
Apr 25, 2010
Ok, I got the go ahead to throw a few bucks (11.50 (what I have laying around paypal) at DFS from my wife. Obviously, I'm not out to win $1,000.00, just have some fun. I have a couple questions for you guys though cause being in the black would be nice.

What sites do you recommend? Obviously FD and Draft kings have the deposit match promo codes. I also see Fantasy draft floating around and yahoo has them too.

I'll probably be entering 1-2$ games. Mostly 50/50s. Is that a good idea?
If so, is it better to join ones with high or low maximum entries?


Thanks in advance!

lloyol
Jun 23, 2005

NARFZ
I put the same NHL roster into four different games last night and cashed in all of them. ROI was 2.5x my investment but it's certainly better than nothing.

I seem to have better luck cashing in entries when it's set for a small number of games scheduled. Less variance in the scores is probably my only saving grace.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

If you want to play cash games (as in, not-tournaments), play head-to-heads and not 50/50s or double-ups. The reason is that it allows for a larger range of outcomes. If you score in the 49th percentile your ROI will be -100% in a 50/50 but only like -10% in a bunch of head-to-heads. In the long-run they may be equally profitable but the name of the game is minimizing variance. Especially if that :tenbux: is all you're going to deposit--don't want to lose it all the first week.

If you want to play tournaments, avoid the ones with the highest number of entries. They're too much of a crapshoot. It would suck to have an amazing lineup and end up in 100th place out of 250,000 players and end up with only $100, when you could have taken down a 2,000 player tournament for $1,000 with the same lineup. Just making those numbers up but the payouts are so top-heavy that the biggest ones are not going to be profitable unless your bankroll/mental state can handle losing thousands of entry fees without giving up.

For both categories of games, enter the smallest dollar amount that is available. Only move up in stakes when you can't get enough action at the level you're playing at. So if you want to wager $100 in head-to-heads, play 100 $1 head-to-heads.

I have yet to branch out of FD and DK, so I can only speak to those two. Even though FanDuel's site is much more polished and easy-to-use than DraftKings I would recommend the latter for new players. For one, there's no kicker, which will help your variance (obviously only a consideration in NFL). They have a 25-cent tournament, which does go against my rule about large-field tourneys but if you can't resist it may as well be 25-cents rather than $1. They also have an option when you create head-to-head contests to limit the number of times any oppoonent can sign up against you. I always set this to 1 and it prevents getting all your games picked up by some shark who notices you haven't won much. Also, they have late swap (you can swap players as long as their games haven't started, as opposed to everyone locking as soon as the first game starts). I personally don't like it as you have to keep up with the reports on game day to get the most value, and if you play dozens of GPP lineups like i do it's a hassle. But if you're only playing one or two lineups it's not much of a hassle and it would be frustrating if you hear some bad news on someone in your lineup and can't do anything about it. Finally, for NFL you should know that DK is 1-PPR and FD is 0.5-PPR so that gives a big boost to high-volume receivers and passing backs.

Duro
May 1, 2013

by Lowtax

lloyol posted:

I put the same NHL roster into four different games last night and cashed in all of them. ROI was 2.5x my investment but it's certainly better than nothing.

I seem to have better luck cashing in entries when it's set for a small number of games scheduled. Less variance in the scores is probably my only saving grace.

I think I'm going to switch to NHL exclusively soon

I don't know enough about Football to really make those gut calls, but NHL is a different beast. At the same time, I find NHL more of a lottery because there's no "guaranteed" points guys. Even superstars can get 0 points and rookies can score a hat trick

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls


I've been using FantasyPros for NFL projections since it's free and seemed to be okay last week. However they don't do any Defense projections, are there any sites that publish defense fantasy projections? Just looking for a way to find the defenses that are going to put up 10-20 points on their own.

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

Be weary when you see oppression disguised as progression

The Spirit told me to use discernment and a Smith n Wesson at my discretion

Practice heavy self reflection, avoid self deception
If you lost, get re-direction

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

I've been using FantasyPros for NFL projections since it's free and seemed to be okay last week. However they don't do any Defense projections, are there any sites that publish defense fantasy projections? Just looking for a way to find the defenses that are going to put up 10-20 points on their own.

Defenses are hard because of the rules really favoring the offense....the only consistent ones are the ones that generate turnovers. Right now the Broncos are the best DST on daily fantasy followed by the Panthers and then from there it's an absolute crapshoot. Injuries seem to plague the NFL as well so many defenses we thought would be good are absolute busts (Texans/KC)

Defenses against turnover prone teams are good choices (GB at home vs SD or Bengals on the road against the EJ Manuel led Bills)

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

I've been using FantasyPros for NFL projections since it's free and seemed to be okay last week. However they don't do any Defense projections, are there any sites that publish defense fantasy projections? Just looking for a way to find the defenses that are going to put up 10-20 points on their own.

1) Just use the FantasyPros Lineup Optimizer to see the DEF projections. It uses the same filterable Expert Consensus list.

2) FantasyLabs
http://www.fantasylabs.com/nfl/player-ratings/protrends/

The SituAsian
Oct 29, 2006

I'm a mess in distress
But we're still the best dressed
DFS now illegal in Nevada.

http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=10481

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls



That just says it's illegal to offer DFS. AKA, the sports books aren't able to offer DFS as a betting option. It's not saying anything about playing DFS.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

That just says it's illegal to offer DFS. AKA, the sports books aren't able to offer DFS as a betting option. It's not saying anything about playing DFS.

So, illegal then.

This is exactly how online poker was dealt with, via making it illegal to offer.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

AnacondaHL posted:

So, illegal then.

This is exactly how online poker was dealt with, via making it illegal to offer.

He means that casinos can't offer it but residents of Nevada can still play on FD/DK.

I'm not certain that is true but that is what he is disagreeing on.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

JoshTheStampede posted:

He means that casinos can't offer it but residents of Nevada can still play on FD/DK.

I'm not certain that is true but that is what he is disagreeing on.

Oh, it's true. Residents of Nevada can still play on FD/DK. But now Nevada is saying FD/DK are unregulated, and if they offer games to Nevada residents they are now breaking Nevada law. The extra note at the end mentioning sports books and casinos is just warning them to disassociate with the unregulated DFS companies unless/until FD/DK get gaming approvals.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

I've been using FantasyPros for NFL projections since it's free and seemed to be okay last week. However they don't do any Defense projections, are there any sites that publish defense fantasy projections? Just looking for a way to find the defenses that are going to put up 10-20 points on their own.

http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/fanduel-cheatsheet.php?position=DST

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The SituAsian
Oct 29, 2006

I'm a mess in distress
But we're still the best dressed

AnacondaHL posted:

Oh, it's true. Residents of Nevada can still play on FD/DK. But now Nevada is saying FD/DK are unregulated, and if they offer games to Nevada residents they are now breaking Nevada law. The extra note at the end mentioning sports books and casinos is just warning them to disassociate with the unregulated DFS companies unless/until FD/DK get gaming approvals.

Pretty much this. Basically any NGCB (Nevada Gaming Control Board) unregulated DFS site-which is of course all of them right now-can effectively no longer legally operate in Nevada. Of course I've heard there ways to get around this for residents of the the other states where dfs is illegal but between this and NY and Federal investigation in the wake of #DKleak it's safe to say that the environment is going to get a lot more challenging if and before it ever gets easier.

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