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Fenrir posted:I think that without his particular set of circumstances as they were, Brady may have never started a single NFL game. But let's pretend anyway that he does come in and start for the Colts. The Colts were a weaker team throughout most of the last 20 years. A lot of their success relied on being carried by a hall of fame QB. Not so much with the Patriots - Tom Brady wasn't even that great until about his fourth or fifth year, and was largely carried through three super bowl wins by a great coach and a great defense. The term "Game Manager" was thrown around quite a bit. Yeah, other than rosters stacked with elite offensive skill position players and a great OC for his entire Colts career, Peyton had nothing to work with and was carrying the Colts all by himself. Meanwhile before 2007 Brady was lavished with offensive weapons such as one season of Corey Dillon playing well before the wheels fell off and [file not found] to inflate his passing stats. The "game manager" thing was always kind of dumb as gently caress because even throwing to scrubs Brady was already posting better passing stats than anybody called a "game manager", and the 2001 team didn't even have that good of a defense (#24 in fewest points allowed) compared to the offense (#19 in points scored). I mean zero time Pro Bowler Antowain Smith was OK I guess? Brady was a really, really good QB prospect that fell through the cracks. That's, like, the entire story. Had he gone to the Colts he would have been coached up like Peyton, and since we know he had a similar ceiling to Peyton and would have had the bananas skill position weapons Peyton often had would have produced similar results (lots of offense undermined by bad head coaching and erratic defenses leading to lots of regular season wins and postseason bombs.) I mean they're both similar goony but durable white guy QBs with  physical tools who win from the neck up so it's not exactly an interesting hypothetical we've got here. More better weapons = bigger passing numbers Better organization overall = more championships That's pretty much the whole Brady vs Peyton thing.
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Raku posted:Brady is also clutch though To be fair Peyton doesn't really choke anymore so much as just dissolve into a patch of dust and cobwebs.
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Khorre posted:Well, Brady went down one season, and his backup won 11 games. Peyton sat out, and the Colts went 2-14. I think it's more a case of Peyton making marginal players great, than him being surrounded by great players. Noted "marginal players" Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James, sure.  The Colts went from 10-7 to 2-14. The Patriots went from 18-1 to 11-5. And Cassell, for all his faults, is still way better than any of the scrubs the Colts trotted out at QB. So it doesn't prove poo poo, basically.
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