"What's that? Kill as many Nazis as I can?" Let's Play The Old Blood

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Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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with a bear.

Ein hot dog.

It's not as groundbreaking as TNO, but it's still a great time and well worth expansion pack prices.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 18:43

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 14:17

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Blind Sally posted:

Are they Nazi dogs? (Y/N)

Y, therefore they must die.

Kill all nazis.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 20:38

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Cryohazard posted:

On the one hand, Rudi is clearly a psychopath, but on the other, he's a dog person, so...

They actually do a good job of providing characterization for Rudi and Helga over the course of the game. Character is sparser in this one in general (less time to work on it) but they still do a good job.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 00:58

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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DeusExMachinima posted:

OK, one thing that's bothering me is that we're told Rudi feeds prisoners to his dogs. But the guy we see him dragging is speaking German and looks pretty Aryan? I guess he could be a deserter but that brings up the question of why anyone would desert from the Wehrmacht when the war's going so well for them, particularly a cushy guard job way behind the front lines.

Unless Rudi has German-speaking prisoners (whether Allied or not) bussed in specifically for his dogs? That'd certainly add another layer to the insanity and now that I think about it that's the most logical explanation. The Den is a research base not a prison or frontline stockade that POWs would naturally end up at. Although I'm probably putting more thought into this than MachineGames did.

Nazis killed a lot of Germans, too.

Also, don't forget how heavily the Kreisau Circle factors into Wolfenstein; Wolfenstein has the actual native German resistance be a pretty big deal and so it's quite possible it's one of them.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 17:25

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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hard counter posted:

Alright what am I missing here.

Why are those pipes so sharp.

BJ exudes a knifing aura that turns things into suitable knives by his presence.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 18:57

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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1stGear posted:

Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission

It usually works out in the end.

After hundreds die.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2015 04:03

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Every single gun in this game has tremendous feedback on it. They all manage to feel powerful and dangerous.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2015 00:08

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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gschmidl posted:

Only if the guy trying to tell the story is a complete and utter dumbass.

In the words of Private Wyatt: "The best part about Nazis, sir, is that they really are stupid!"

# ¿ Sep 15, 2015 05:31

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Klaus88 posted:

I am so irrationally goddamn angry that the assault rifle isn't a super science version of the FG-42 from Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

I mean its nice that the bolt action rifle references it but I would have liked a different version of the assault rifle rather then the super science STG-44 from the new order.

Are you trying to suggest the Nazis should not have been the model of efficiency by only inventing one perfect, one-size fits all assault weapon and should instead have pursued many extravagant and mostly pointless variants solely to look cool?

It's like you don't get Nazis at all!

(Nazis would totally have done that)

# ¿ Sep 16, 2015 03:21

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I know, that was the joke.

Nazis were awful at everything and their economy basically got steadily worse the more non-nazi economists and officials they purged and replaced with nazis.

I mean, heck, it's one of the key plot points in Wolfenstein, and one I appreciate: They didn't invent all this stuff. They stole it. From Jews.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2015 05:41

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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JcDent posted:

...and they still took the world for a six year ride.

Swinging first gets you pretty far in a fight.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2015 07:01

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Almost any insane idea can get picked up by almost any society so long as it strengthens the legitimacy of those with a great deal of power and is stated with a lot of confidence and cooked data.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2015 07:25

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Hitler never had the industrial capacity to fight everyone he picked a fight with. Much like the bit where the US produced more aircraft carriers (counting escort carriers, mind) than the Imperial Japanese produced *warships* during WWII. When your goal is total, brutal conquest of everyone around you and you have to keep picking fights because your economy is only barely held up by looting, you're going to go down eventually.

Eco put it really well when he said the reason Fascists are so bad at war is their ideology renders them completely incapable of accurately judging how tough a fight will be (since the enemy will always be decadent and weak, but also overwhelmingly threatening)

# ¿ Sep 17, 2015 19:10

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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JFairfax posted:

oil is somewhat important when you're fighting a war

The oil embargo is one of the reasons Japan decided war was inevitable, because they were going to run completely out of fuel and have to scale back their horrifically brutal conquests in the rest of Asia if they didn't get access to the pacific oil fields.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2015 19:20

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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There was basically no way for Germany to actually accomplish its war goals.

Outside of looting magical Jewish science for robots.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2015 19:28

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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The thing about Hitler's Wild Ride is that you've got to think of it like this: The Nazis were comically inept in a lot of ways and terribly outmatched overall.

They still got tens of millions of people killed. If that's what happens when someone who isn't up to taking on the world takes a swing in modern warfare, I never, ever want to see what happens in an even fight. Nuclear or no.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2015 06:01

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I think the 'pounding Helga's love of wine' in bit is a subtle way of pointing out she's actually an alcoholic.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 15:03

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Neruz posted:

And really it's not hard to understand why they made that decision.

The hard part is understanding why it took so long in the first place.

Did the last page of 'Nazis are absolutely incredibly stupid' go unnoticed or...?

# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 15:40

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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AradoBalanga posted:

It also helps that BJ has pretty much brutally murdered or severely incapacitated the Nazi commanders who delve into the supernatural by this point, leaving Deathshead (and his lieutenants, Helga aside) as the only commander around with the strength to push his tech-based agenda on the rest of the regime.

This is actually the canon explanation.

The SS Paranormal Division's status is almost entirely 'Murdered to death by BJ.' at this point.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 01:01

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Wyatt isn't boring. He's a good and fun guy.

He's just up against one of the best NPCs in gaming.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 18:36

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Speedball posted:

Rudi doesn't get a lot of screentime but I do like his little monologue about how his dad got electrocuted in the coal mines way back. Little things like that make these characters seem to have full lives that we just get glimpses of.

What I'm saying is, it's good writing.

Rudi and Helga are actually interesting characters. They're terrible people but if you read around the letters and between the lines some you can see there are reasonable, human reasons they're villains rather than just being random psychopaths.

In general, this is why the writing in the new Wolfensteins stands out. I wouldn't call it sympathy for the villains, but the writing shows more willingness to understand where the hell a Nazi comes from and why their insanity exists. Same for the heroes. People have consistent characters with reasonable arcs and progress and a great deal of humanity. Or in the case of the Nazis, how that humanity becomes inhumanity and evil.

E: Edited out a possible spoiler as I don't think we've seen the letters in this LP yet.

Night10194 fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Sep 22, 2015

# ¿ Sep 22, 2015 07:17

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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BJ's life is endless suffering and disappointment, then he says something sad or silly and soldiers on. Poor guy.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2015 19:15

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Samovar posted:

BJ's next mission; to hunt down the heads of IBM, preventing the development of computers as we know them; in short - destroying the chances of Castle Wolfenstein from ever being created in the first place!

Also, wouldn't it have been much, much easier to blow those vulnerable parts on the super-soldiers with the shotgun?

BJ enjoys the personal, old-fashioned touch. He's a craftsman and takes pride in his tools and his work. Sure, a messy spattering from a shotgun would do the job, but for someone like him, taking on a 9 foot hulking power armored monstrosity with a pipe to the heart is his way of saying that no matter how much fantastical tech they steal from jews and then claim as their own, the Nazis can always be undone by simple American gumption.

Alternatively, Silent Hill has long shown us the 3' Steel Pipe is ever the trusty friend of humanity, and BJ just holds true to this after all his encounters with supernatural horror.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2015 10:03

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I would love to see something set in China in this timeline. We get a lot glossed over about how truly awful WWII was on that front, too.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2015 18:34

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I mean, they already established she's learned to fight (she was asking Karoline to have her trained and considering what Tekla managed, I'm pretty sure Anya could pick up running and gunning fine) and that a lot of her prior serial-killer behavior was more because she had no idea how to use a gun compared to ambushing people. I'm sure Anya would be quite good at shooting Nazis in the face if she was in the driver's seat.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2015 21:35

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Cythereal posted:

Get around that by moving the game elsewhere, perhaps? Setting the game in TNO-verse Russia, China, Japan, or the US could be interesting.

One thing I've always wishes the Wolfenstein series would do would be to go whole hog on the Weird War Two premise. Wolfenstein 2009 is my favorite of the series for coming close to that, and I'd love to see a sequel to TNO picking up a similar atmosphere while still keeping the very stark, human tragedy and horror TNO keeps emphasizing under the mad science veneer.

I would like an actual Operation Darkness esque shooter some day as well. "Last time, our plan to kill Hitler failed because we forgot to take into account he was a Dark Wizard. Deploy the SAS werewolves to counter the SS vampires."

# ¿ Sep 23, 2015 23:15

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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berryjon posted:

Man, such subtle characterization with that last exchange. BJ doesn't even blink when Kessler says he'll take care of the girl after he's gone, with the implication that he's not expecting to leave Wulfburg alive.

Why can't other games do this?

Also, BJ knows when Purim is, which is a nod to the fact that he has Jewish family, himself. There are several subtle nods to that from his general familiarity with things like hebrew.

# ¿ Sep 26, 2015 07:28

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Gargamel Gibson posted:

loving hell, Blazkowicz. You couldn't have pronounced Franz in a more yankee doodle way if you'd tried.

"Ein hot dog."

# ¿ Sep 28, 2015 23:34

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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BJ is the best action hero.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2015 06:28

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Sadly, the Nazi Zombies are the most boring enemies in New Wolfenstein. I still enjoyed this part, sure, but...really, Wulfberg is a lot weaker than Rudi and the Den of Wolves.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 21:05

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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dscruffy1 posted:

Must be their mitochondria acting up

Goddamn those rebellious organelles. First they ruin the opera, now this!

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 22:04

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I'm pretty sure trying to fire two full sized assault rifles like the Terminator in a copshop would also have really poo poo accuracy but BJ cares not for sanity nor reason.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2015 06:20

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:

Trevor Barnes is an awesome character.

Trevor Barnes was the best thing about that game.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2015 18:54

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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citybeatnik posted:

One of the biggest Broadway sensations this season is a hip hop musical about the life of Alexander Hamilton where the only white actor is the dude that plays George III bitching about the loss of the colonies; if it works as well as it does for that, you'd think that more folks would be willing to set aside the "but our verisimilitude!" and just roll with stuff.

I almost got to go to see that and really wanted to, but it was sold out while I was passing through NYC. It sounded so goddamn neat.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2015 02:47

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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BJ is great because he does ridiculous things with relatively little comment like he's used to them, and because he's always legit concerned about the people around him (who are not nazis). He tries so hard to make sure things go okay.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2015 23:48

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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It makes him a really likeable guy. BJ is a genuine hero and it's the cause of a lot of his pain, but the biggest reason he can keep going, too.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 02:45

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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BJ doesn't really want to be here because him being here means there's nazis and war, and he really wishes he got to live his dream of a nice house, backyard cookouts, and a wife and kids instead. But he's here, so he's going to do what he has to do.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 07:35

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Well, the basic mechanics of a shooter are so ridiculous that it's much easier to write a good parody of the average humorless FPS than it would be to write a shooter that contains the gameplay of a shooter but has a serious story. Wolfenstein is one of the only ones I can think of that pretty much pulls it off, mostly by the world being full of Nazis and so of course you have to gun down hundreds of people.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 09:48

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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Ah, yes, that was another great serious shooter. Both Metro and Last Light.

Also, Last Light especially (but also Metro) included lots of ways to avoid killing if you wished and made it a major challenge if you wanted to.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 12:29

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 14:17

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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I mean the theme in Last Light is basically that righteous or not the killing has to stop or people will just keep repeating the cycle of violence that led to them all being stuck in subway tunnels surrounded by monsters. And even if you get the 'bad' ending it's still a satisfying conclusion to the story that saves the day.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 18:50

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