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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Fascinating and depressing thread... Which leads to my favourite (probably made-up) word: ambisinister, or incompetent with both hands. e: ambisinitrous?
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) and formerly in art history to discuss positions of elements. So yes, lefties are sinister freaks. But we love them. 
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Jeherrin posted:Which leads to my favourite (probably made-up) word: ambisinister, or incompetent with both hands. Also known as having "two left hands" / Being clumsy?
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Fascinating and depressing thread... I dunno, as far as peppers go ZeeToo's parents sound comparatively benign. They don't seem to be blowing everything on a backyard apocalypse shelter, so if (when) nothing ends up happening, they've got years of camping supplies and a farm to retire to. I'd want them to buy a gun safe, but from what we've seen, this feels more like a really weird hobby than something that will wind up destroying anyone's life. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Sep 9, 2015 |
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[ASK] me about what relative directions are in romance languages, probably, I think
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Also is this kid meant to be a sympathetic character or otherwise someone the student should identify with? Cause he mostly just makes me want to punch him in the nose.
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stubblyhead posted:Also is this kid meant to be a sympathetic character or otherwise someone the student should identify with? Cause he mostly just makes me want to punch him in the nose. Yes, he is. There's a stable roster in these comics, and the comics show up intermittently in all the books from the very earliest up through as far up as I ever saw. I think that guy... might actually be named Ace? One of them is Ace, and (naturally) he's the kid you should most emulate. There's also a fast guy named Racer, but I've thankfully forgotten most of the other names. Keeshhound posted:I dunno, as far as peppers go ZeeToo's parents sound comparatively benign. They don't seem to be blowing everything on a backyard apocalypse shelter, so if (when) nothing ends up happening, they've got years of camping supplies and a farm to retire to. This is pretty accurate. It informs and shapes a fair amount of life, but it's not something that's making them (or me) unable to function or utterly broke. I'm not sure I'm anxious to see how well cornmeal held up to two (and counting--this isn't being cycled through) years of storage, though, so I suspect there's a certain time limit on some of these.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Fascinating and depressing thread... And this is exactly want siniestro (they mispelled it) and diestra are in Spanish, contrary to what ACE believes
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Do they have two way radios and a stock pile of batteries or solar chargers or anything? What do they take camping with them? And are they really just practicing for the eventual collapse of civilization or do they actually just like camping?
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It sounds like somebody spooked them a while back and they've been spinning off into their own little world ever since. You should see if you can get em to open up a little more about it, there's clearly nobody reinforcing them or telling them what to do (or that they should keep it a big secret) they're just making this poo poo up as they go along. It's very possible they're not even really thinking directly about it, like they started hoarding survival gear at some point and that just became a self-reinforcing habit without a step 2
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Interesting thread. I'm also kind of curious about your parents' means of utilizing all those jugs full of only-edible-if-prepared-and-cooked foodstuffs, especially the flour. It's one thing to place your can of soup on a hot rock next to the fire to warm it up or skewer your freshly caught rabbit on a random stick, but how would they make bread or do whatever with all that flour? Do they have an assortment of cast iron cookware that includes a Dutch oven? If I were them, I'd be sure to install one of these at the farm:  Because any other stove is going to be useless after the electricity/gas/propane gets cut off/runs out. Also, that thing will do a really good job at keeping the place warm during winter nights. On the issue of water, you mentioned a well, have they gotten around to that yet? And have/will they install a solar/wind-powered pump and a water tank? I guess what I'm wondering is whether their prepping is for a temporary/brief existence in a post-civilization collapse period or a permanent/indefinitely long period? I always imagine the latter scenario, so whenever I think about prepping (or building myself a historically accurate homesteader cottage in the middle of nowhere to serve as a peaceful getaway from an increasingly connected and hectic world), I think about how I'd sustain myself long term without relying on any trappings of modern life/infrastructure. I'm not a prepper myself in any way, nor do I believe in the imminent collapse of civilization, but it's fun to think about the "what if"s sometimes. Based on my own experience with ranching and occasional rustic country living, my hypothetical prepper wishlist is basically everything I'd need to create an Amish paradise and not find myself up poo poo creek when my finite stockpile of canned food and gasoline runs out.
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It's the thing that's most upsetting to me. These guys may believe that the world is ending, or they may not, but they're still profiting off the paranoia that they are directly causing. They are doing real harm to some people and they just don't care. It seems your parents are in the "Just in case" mode, and not doing anything like taking pot shots at the mailman or killing the dog to spare them from the end of society. ZeeToo posted:Yes, he is. There's a stable roster in these comics, and the comics show up intermittently in all the books from the very earliest up through as far up as I ever saw. I think that guy... might actually be named Ace? One of them is Ace, and (naturally) he's the kid you should most emulate. There's also a fast guy named Racer, but I've thankfully forgotten most of the other names. I remember seeing this ages ago, maybe on SA, or somewhere else, and yea, all the kids are these morally upright kids who always have an answer for everything that pretty much "its gods will/in the bible" for any all questions. A few friends of mine grew up in super religious households and all ended up being gay/bi and pretty athiest, and they say they don't want to have anything to do with religion because of the attempts at brainwashing they had as a kid. As for living a simple life, I could deal without electricity, but running water is a must have. I read how people pooped in the past, and I don't want to ever have to experience that on a long term basis.
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ZeeToo posted:I was encouraged to read "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "The Road to Serfdom", but... ...? Might I ask where these items got introduced to you via the relative realm of American religion? Because they're not terribly religious texts in and of themselves, so where exactly do they fit in to this picture?
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Griz posted:are they actually using any of this stuff or are they just going to let it sit there until the flour goes rancid, the dried vegetables lose all their vitamins, and the sugar turns into a rock-solid lump? Given their gun "security" system and the total lack of organization of the supplies they've purchased I'd have to think that no, they haven't thought that far.
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ZeeToo posted:I'm not sure I'm anxious to see how well cornmeal held up to two (and counting--this isn't being cycled through) years of storage, though, so I suspect there's a certain time limit on some of these.
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King Metal posted:Do they have two way radios and a stock pile of batteries or solar chargers or anything? What do they take camping with them? And are they really just practicing for the eventual collapse of civilization or do they actually just like camping? No radios and... both. They have a seemingly infinite ability to enjoy camping, but, yes, the world is really going to end. It's ending and the only questions are details. As far as what they take camping, it's a basic tent/bags/prepackaged food sort of setup. Not exactly roughing it, but it's not a camper sort of situation, either; other calls on their time/money are all that keep them from doing this for very lengthy periods. So far, that has been at least up to two weeks at some stretches. I'm sorry if I'm a little vague, and this is one point where I'm going to sound more than actively crazy, but I cannot stand my parents' camping stories. Twenty minute litanies of every quail and small mammal they saw, complete with time and closest approach. They literally keep a log of these, although the log is only totals so you have to talk to them while it's still fresh to hear just how close that cottontail got. A Wizard of Goatse posted:It sounds like somebody spooked them a while back and they've been spinning off into their own little world ever since. You should see if you can get em to open up a little more about it, there's clearly nobody reinforcing them or telling them what to do (or that they should keep it a big secret) they're just making this poo poo up as they go along. It's very possible they're not even really thinking directly about it, like they started hoarding survival gear at some point and that just became a self-reinforcing habit without a step 2 I do appreciate the concern, first of all. You could very well be right, and I have and will continue to try to keep things positive between us; there was a point where we were much further apart. I've just mostly tried to treat this as something funny for purposes of this thread, but for real we're all family and do care for and try to be decent to each other despite different paradigms. It's just... well, funny to me. My parents stuffed my old bedroom with dry goods and water when I moved out of the house. Authentic You posted:On the issue of water, you mentioned a well, have they gotten around to that yet? And have/will they install a solar/wind-powered pump and a water tank? The well is still a pipe dream.  I wouldn't expect electricity up at the farm, or whatever term I should use for their wilderness land. As far as timeframe... assuming it's all keeping as nicely as possible, I think what's stored could probably serve a couple months without a good water supply, and rather a while with one. Hard to be really precise. I don't know how long the expected timeframe is; in theory eventually they'll grow their own food at the farm. Right now that's not plausible. We do have cast iron cookware, but I'm not sure how all they cook things while roughing it. Morroque posted:...? Yeah, that was not religious, it was political/economic. Like "these people have real insight into how societies function in areas where the Bible is silent". I can't give you any more spirited defense or harmonization of them than you could find by googling for Christian Objectivists or something. Non-Christians are selfish and greedy and act terribly, we as Christians can do better, but it can help to understand people. Griz posted:are they actually using any of this stuff or are they just going to let it sit there until the flour goes rancid, the dried vegetables lose all their vitamins, and the sugar turns into a rock-solid lump? I've yet to see any food get cycled out of there. I don't hold much hope for it. e: Actually, let me add one extra story about how my dad treats stored food. Once, when I had the urge to eat something sweet, I went through the cabinet and found a tub of frosting. I asked if he minded if I made something with it. He said no, don't, he had plans to use it for something special. I looked more closely, and realized it had expired three years previously. This isn't entirely isolated, but it is one of the worst and the one I remember best. ZeeToo fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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It was probably fine. Those things are just guidelines really.
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Who drinks that much bottled water by the gallon in the first place?
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photomikey posted:Who drinks that much bottled water by the gallon in the first place? Why would you buy that many packs of individual bottles rather than getting 20L containers and filling them from the tap?
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Authentic You posted:I guess what I'm wondering is whether their prepping is for a temporary/brief existence in a post-civilization collapse period or a permanent/indefinitely long period? I always imagine the latter scenario, so whenever I think about prepping (or building myself a historically accurate homesteader cottage in the middle of nowhere to serve as a peaceful getaway from an increasingly connected and hectic world), I think about how I'd sustain myself long term without relying on any trappings of modern life/infrastructure. I'm not a prepper myself in any way, nor do I believe in the imminent collapse of civilization, but it's fun to think about the "what if"s sometimes. Based on my own experience with ranching and occasional rustic country living, my hypothetical prepper wishlist is basically everything I'd need to create an Amish paradise and not find myself up poo poo creek when my finite stockpile of canned food and gasoline runs out. lol don't worry about any scenarios involving a total collapse of civilization for more than a couple months because those scenarios also involve a total lack of surviving humans, anywhere that's a nice lookin stove tho photomikey posted:Who drinks that much bottled water by the gallon in the first place? people with money/people in Appalachia A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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The Lone Badger posted:Why would you buy that many packs of individual bottles rather than getting 20L containers and filling them from the tap? You might do it if you hated the taste of tap water locally.
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Aquatabs would be cheaper, easier to store, and more portable. Also, they're good to have on hand in case of an emergency anyway.
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peanut posted:Tap water isn't sterile. Neither is bottled water.
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Keeshhound posted:Aquatabs would be cheaper, easier to store, and more portable. Also, they're good to have on hand in case of an emergency anyway. Won't do anything for you if the poo poo in the water that'll make you sick isn't alive. also this thread isn't exactly showcasing optimal camping loadouts A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Won't do anything for you if the poo poo in the water that'll make you sick isn't alive. Ok, but you can also filter water with sand and a sock.
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The Lone Badger posted:Why would you buy that many packs of individual bottles rather than getting 20L containers and filling them from the tap?
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photomikey posted:I was referring to the empty gallon bottles that are now re-filled with flour and the like. I understand drinking from bottles when there is no tap water, i.e. in the end days, but why would you buy water by the single gallon when there is still society? If you're not into tap water, why not a 5gal water cooler like the rest of the world? It's abundantly clear that the OP's parents don't really know what they're doing, so it shouldn't be *that* surprising.
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photomikey posted:I was referring to the empty gallon bottles that are now re-filled with flour and the like. I understand drinking from bottles when there is no tap water, i.e. in the end days, but why would you buy water by the single gallon when there is still society? If you're not into tap water, why not a 5gal water cooler like the rest of the world? then you don't get your handy flour-and-weevil container afterward. it's not really all that weird a thing though, presumably there's a reason why most drug and grocery stores have an entire fucken aisle dedicated to bottled water now A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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chef posted:What do/did your parents do for a living? Still working? Dad's a pastor, still. Mother is an accountant. photomikey posted:I was referring to the empty gallon bottles that are now re-filled with flour and the like. I understand drinking from bottles when there is no tap water, i.e. in the end days, but why would you buy water by the single gallon when there is still society? If you're not into tap water, why not a 5gal water cooler like the rest of the world? Whoa, hey. Those are not gallon bottles. The guy who said he was an Arrowhead rep earlier may not have been legit when he was offering me a coupon, either, As for why specifically these, I'd guess they're comparatively cheap by some metric.
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What sorta stuff do your parents think about Obama/Democrats then? Also given how insanely far right they are, what do they think of the Republicans? The Tea Party?
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ShadowCatboy posted:What sorta stuff do your parents think about Obama/Democrats then? "Obama hates America. He hates it." - My mom, literally every week for several months, but some time ago. I haven't heard this exact phrasing as much in the last few months. Democrats are either oligarchs intent on ruining business or their foolish proxies. They're out to punish success and make things worse for the common man by attacking successful people (thus ruining things before they can trickle down), or they're deluded by those who are. Anti-business, anti-industry, anti-god. Uniformly terrible people. Republicans are the lesser of two evils. I know they donated at least something to Mitt Romney in 2012, but I'm not sure if that was primary-time or general-election-time. They're increasingly disillusioned, though; they do not like any of the Republicans or if they'll even vote in 2016 (spoiler: they are totally going to vote for the candidate labeled (R)), but they refuse to give any money to people who aren't even going to represent them. I can't recall hearing anything about the Tea Party specifically. Knowing them, that could mean "not really any different than Republicans" or "well, they're generally good guys, no need to discuss the ones doing things right".
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:What did your parents think about the recent supreme court ruling about gay marriage? After some fights about it after I came out as bisexual, we've mostly not talked about gay issues beyond me occasionally making gay jokes and Mom occasionally hinting I should pick only girls to date. Dad hasn't said much. Oh, and Mom suggesting that me making one really restrained joke on Facebook meaning people wouldn't ever hire me because I'd be a sexual harassment danger. I don't recall the joke, but it was something so incredibly mundane not all my Facebook friends have figured out I'm not straight. They are certainly against, but they're not being outspoken about it anywhere I can hear. e: I looked up the Facebook post, and I guess it wasn't even a joke. It was about when AZ legalized gay marriage: "Well, this was a pleasant surprise to wake up to. I guess now all I need is to find a good man of my own.", alongside a link to a news story about it. Yup, sexual harassment threat. ZeeToo fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Be expecting paperwork from my lawyers, good sir.
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Interesting stuff. They really do need to start cycling their perishables though, flour and corn products especially. That stuff gets... buggy if you leave it too long.
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