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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Scotland has named their team for their game against Japan. It seems like Cotter's taking it pretty serious after the surprise result on the weekend.

1. Alasdair Dickinson
2. Ross Ford
3. WP Nel
4. Grant Gilchrist
5. Jonny Gray
6. Ryan Wilson
7. John Hardie
8. David Denton
9. Greig Laidlaw (C)
10. Finn Russell
11. Sean Lamont
12. Matt Scott
13. Mark Bennett
14. Tommy Seymour
15. Stuart Hogg

16. Fraser Brown
17. Ryan Grant
18. Jon Welsh
19. Richie Gray
20. Josh Strauss
21. Henry Pyrgos
22. Peter Horne
23. Sean Maitland



and the Japanese side is:
1. Keita Inagaki
2. Shota Horie
3. Hiroshi Yamashita
4. Luke Thompson
5. Justin Ives
6. Michael Leitch (C)
7. Michael Broadhurst
8. Amanaki Mafi
9. Fumiaki Tanaka
10. Harumichi Tatekawa
11. Kenki Fukuoka
12. Yu Tamura
13. Male Su'u
14. Kotaro Matsushima
15. Ayumu Goromaru

16. Takeshi Kizu
17. Masataka Mikami
18. Kensuke Hatakeyama
19. Shinya Makabe
20. Shoji Ito
21. Hendrik Tui
22. Atsushi Hiwasa
23. Karne Hesketh

7 changes from the team that beat South Africa, along with 2 positional switches: The bench and starting props from the Springboks game have been switched around, lock Hitoshi Ono has been rested and replaced by Justin Ives, Amanaki Mafi has been swapped into the starting 8 position with Hendrik Tui who is now on the bench, Kosei Ono who started at 10 has been rested as Harumichi Tatekawa moves in to 10 from 12 as Yu Tamura goes in to the second-five position, Kotaro Matsushima moves over to 14 for Kenki Fukuoka, who takes over for Akihito Yamada, who gets a rest.

So, Harumichi Tatekawa trained with the Brumbies last year, and was seriously impressive for the Tenri University team in the 2011/2012 Japan National University Rugby Championship. He's actually really good with ball in hand, and it would be interesting to see what he might have picked up from his time under Larkham's tutelage.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 22, 2015

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

bigfoot again posted:

I hope Australia get eliminated on bonus points

Unfortunately with all the injuries, I can't see the Welsh getting one over them or England. Hell, I can see Wales struggling to get past Fiji as well. From the so-called Pool of Death, it's fairly likely to be Wales that ends up falling short.


If I had to wager a guess, I'd say the following will be the teams that get into the quarters:

Pool A:
1. England
2. Australia

Pool B:
1. Scotland
2. South Africa

Pool C:
1. New Zealand
2. Argentina

Pool D:
1. Ireland
2. France

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 23, 2015

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Kurtofan posted:

Wales is in Pool A

Yeah, I meant to type "France." I have no idea why I ended up typing "Wales" instead.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Smorgasbord posted:

NZ are going fine and the people who were predicting 140 points are idiots.

They conceded 140-odd points when they were more-or-less a full amateur side 12 years ago. These days, a fair chunk of the team is playing professionally, even if it might be in the lower end of the South African domestic competition. There are also players in the upper end of things like Burger, who have not only not looked the least bit out of place in the Saracens, but has commanded a virtually permanent starting spot.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Bharatrocity posted:

How long do players normally last in this game? It seems absolutely brutal

There are outliers like Keven Mealamu, Mark Regan, Simon Shaw, Victor Matfield, Brad Thorn, Nick Easter and Gareth Llewellyn who appear for their national side in the second half of their 30's, but generally 33~35 is about where they pack it in at the test level. They then often take a payday in the lower Euro leagues like the ProD2 where newly rich clubs harbour ambitions of being promoted, or the Japanese Top League, where they get paid silly money for about 4 months of work in a year.


Edit: loving phone posting and my loving goony sausage fingers.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Sep 25, 2015

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Three in one game. loving hell.


Edit: finally. Also, really, Garces? Did you need to check for offside on that?

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 26, 2015

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Madkal posted:

Tmo for what?

Offside. All the Welsh boyos were so onside, they might as well have been in the stands behind their own posts.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Pretty sure Biggar equaled the record for most penalties kicked in a World Cup game.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Why did you kick the ball away you dumb person from Wales?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Wales burgled that one.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Tyma posted:

There's really no noticeable difference in the outcome of decisions between the big international games, and the lovely Pro 12 games being played in-front of 300 people with no TMOs or video screens. I think the technology being there just makes people feel obliged to use it, and referees at the World Cup are trying really hard to prove they're doing everything by the book, so that they can impress the selection commitee who decide on referees for the knockout stages of the tournament.

When there isn't a TMO on-hand for the game, the vast, vast majority of decisions in professional matches are proven to be correct when they're replayed on TV, and removing "TMO Time" from the game doesn't make the match noticeably quicker, because there are still a gently caress-ton of stoppages for scrums restarting, and people falling over with cramp during winter matches.

At the same time, since around the 1995 RWC, there have also been referee gently caress-ups that could have dramatically altered the course of the tournament in the odd match*. It's not the TMO that's the issue, it's the implementation of said technology - i.e., it's the human part that's failing, not the TMO concept itself, and screaming about how it's "ruining games" and whatnot is basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


*
1995 - Semifinal between South Africa and France, where the Moroccan-born French lock Abdelatif Benazzi scored what may have been a try, only to see it denied. It, at the very least, warranted a look by the TMO.
1999 - Quarter-final qualifier between France and Fiji, where Paddy O'Brien made a parade of errors that arguably cost Fiji the game and a spot in the play-offs.
2007 - The second half of that quarterfinal in Cardiff.
2011 - Heavier TMO involvement likely would quiet the criticisms of Craig Joubert's officiating in the final, although comparisons to Barnes' officiating in Cardiff 4 years prior is well overblown.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Lacklustre Hero posted:

NZ get a war dance and an anthem in two languages?

South Africa get an anthem in four!

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

butros posted:

Some great rugby this match so far.

Not from France though.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

fallingdownjoe posted:

I never thought I'd be glad to have Priestland as an avatar, but not losing another player is a worthy sacrifice. I'll set it up by Monday at the latest: Tyma has approved the picture.

Have you got one picked out?

How about one based on this:



with the text "Please love me."

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

julian assflange posted:

I'd be surprised if Scotland lost to the USA. What if Scotland somehow beat SA though?

It's happened before, and this Boks side is vulnerable.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

dex_sda posted:

Honestly were Japan even serious candidates for third place before this tournament?

Not really, no. Despite wins over Wales and Italy, winning tournaments like the PNC, an increasing presence in Super Rugby and cracking the IRB top10 a couple of years ago, a lot of it was hand waived away with a "yes, but." They'd also failed to win a single fixture at a World Cup since 1991, making them perennial wooden spooners at the tournament. They're also let down by being the 800-pound silverback gorillas of the Asian region.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

goatface posted:

Is he KO'd, or has he wrecked a shoulder like it was twigs?

Looks like he copped a knee to the head in the replay.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

IceAgeComing posted:

I'm not a regular rugby watcher and the scrum rules confuse me

i get how they are supposed to work, but it usually ends up ending with the scrum breaking up and a penalty being given to one of the teams randomly. perhaps i ought to look up the rules...

So which referee are you?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Jannie, you muppet.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

dex_sda posted:

so this is how it feels to be a scotland supporter

Every January and February for me, only I get to enjoy it in October!

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

"It's not illegal if the ref can't blow his whistle!"

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Bullshit call. That left Hogg's hands laterally.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Holy poo poo, Hogg just scored a try. Game on, lads.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Denton was the tackler, he was entitled to contest that.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

How the gently caress was that tackle OK, Nigel?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007



Goromaru tweeted this. It's a trophy given by the Samoan team to the player that they feel was the Man of the Match, which he's awfully proud of, and that the they showed the kind of integrity, humility and values that he aspires to as a rugby player.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

bigfoot again posted:

Half this England twam turned down French contracts because they wanted to play for England and I wouldn't have blamed them for being furious if Armitage got picked after loving off. And Nick loving Abendanon is not better than our current back three. If he were an inside centre, maybe

England's coaches shat the bed this world cup but not because of Steffon Armitage

Seriously, if Armitage wants to play for England, he knows what he needs to do. The coaches have communicated loud and clear what he needs to do. Simply put, the fact that he hasn't moved back to England, or at least tried to get out of his contract should be interpreted as him not being interested in test rugby for England. Simple as that. If he wants to have his cake and eat it too, he can gently caress off.


So anyway, if I had to narrow down England's loss today, it comes down to the following (in no particular order)

1. Mike Brown had a shocker - seriously, he was poo poo. Aside from a nice tackle early on, he was poo poo and loving worthless. I saw he got a 6 in the Guardian ratings, but, like, what loving game were they watching?

2. Selections - the only rationale I can see for Burgess' ongoing selection as a midfielder is sunk cost fallacy. He's loving garbage. And why was Farrell starting? All he does is 2 things: stand too deep telegraphing that he's going to kick the ball down the field and something hilariously stupid. He didn't disappoint on either count.

3. Poor decision making - best summed up by Watson booting the ball away out on the full at like 20 or so minutes to go. You're 7 behind, you've got 20 minutes to score at least 8, what the CUNTING gently caress are you doing kicking the ball away?

4. No leadership on the pitch - Robshaw as captain looked like a man alone out there, with no leaders on the field to support him. When you look at the other teams, they all have on-field leaders. Note, plural. The 1999 Wallabies side had John Eales, David Wilson, George Gregan and Tim Horan. The 2003 England side had the likes of Martin Johnson, Neil Back, Richard Hill, Lawrence Dallaglio, Matt Dawson, Jonny Wilkinson, Will Greenwood and Jason Robinson. The 2007 Springboks team had John Smit, Juan Smith, Schalk Burger, Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez and Percy Montgomery. The 2011 All Blacks team had Richie McCaw, Piri Weepu, Kieran Read, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Brad Thorn, Jerome Kaino and Keven Mealamu. The point is, a winning team needs a leadership group on the pitch along with the captain. Who has Robshaw got to help him out there? It's easy to say "gently caress the captain," but stop and think about the circumstances he had to work within. This also ties into the previous point. Where was the backline leader saying "whoa, hey, let's not kick the ball away, you dumb gently caress."

5. Poor ball security - even taking into account the presence of Hoopcock, England kept knocking the ball on in or near the Aussie 22, killing their chances.

6. #ScrumStraightJoe - it loving worked.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Oct 4, 2015

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Unimpressed posted:

Actually, England lost because Australia played very well. Perish the thought!

Literally no one is saying Australia didn't play well, or that they weren't the better team on the day. It's also disingenuous to say England weren't able to claw their way back into it. They had a chance to steal the game away between the 60th to 70th minutes, when Australia were awarded a penalty that gave them enough of a buffer to pretty much secure the game. Poite having to choose between penalise Farrell for being a thuggish dipshit or Burgess for being a reckless idiot had just as much to do with fundamental mistakes on the part of the English management as it had to do with the pressure applied by Australia.



bigfoot again posted:

You know, every dogshit decision they've made makes perfect sense if you assume Farrell was calling the shots.

The only real reason I can see for Owen Farrell being made the starting five-eighth ahead of Ford reeks of nepotism so...

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 4, 2015

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

HappyCamperGL posted:

Have they actually got any players yet?

The JRFU submitted a prospective list of players just before the deadline a couple of months ago, but it's basically going to be a mostly Japanese Top League all-stars team, with a small number of Japan-based foreign players, so presumably the likes of Nick Cummins, Liam Messam, Heinrich Brussow, Fourie du Preez and Richard Kahui.


goatface posted:

Japanese teams pay loads, don't they? I imagine a French team would need to throw an awful lot of money if that's all they can offer.

Depends on the team, but the likes of Suntory, Panasonic and Toyota are paying silly money. For example, Sonny Bill Williams was paid 7 figures to play one season with Panasonic a couple of years ago.
The competition is relatively short as well, only running from 3 to 4 months a year (the upcoming season will run from the 13th of November this year and ends on the 24th of January next year). It is basically ideal for players like Richard Kahui, who are very injury-prone, and it helped Jerome Kaino as a player, as his two years in Japan with Toyota allowed him the downtime to get over various injuries he was carrying and get some playing time in.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Second yellow was fair there. gently caress him.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Each side picks a representative and the rest of the players form a circle around them cheering their guy on.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Vaders Jester posted:

If Fiji pick Nadolo do Uraguay get to send in an extra man to even things up?

Only if they do it like Master Blaster.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Because we can't have a World Cup without the Islanders being hosed over, Alesana Tuilagi has copped a 5-week ban for "kneeing" Japan's Harumichi Tatekawa in the head. gently caress knows what the citing commissioner was watching, as it was clearly accidental contact caused by Tatekawa going in too low.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ma'a Nonu is set to earn his 100th test cap, making him the 6th All Black to achieve this milestone. Remarkably, 4 of the 5 previous test centurions are in the current squad with him (Richie McCaw - 142, Keven Mealamu - 128, Tony Woodcock - 117, Daniel Carter - 108; Mils Muliaina finished his test career exactly on 100 test caps).

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Gambrinus posted:

I thought you could bring them back on and have to take someone else off ( usually one of the back row). Basically I was under the impression that there has to be no fit front row left before uncontested scrums took place.

I'm probably wrong though, I've not followed rugby as closely as I used to over the last couple of years.

You're not actually wrong.

Due to the physical requirements of the scrum and the danger it can present to untrained front-rowers (who can be quite specialised in their roles), front-row forwards that were removed due to tactical reasons can be brought back to replace an injured teammate. If they're injured, basically they're out of the game.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

goatface posted:

So are there people calling for ritual suicides in New Zealand yet? I mean, they're going through top of their group, but there's been so many silly handling errors.

Yeah bro, it's a regular Jonestown down here.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Woodcock is out of the tournament too, with a hamstring tear that rules him out for at least three weeks. Joe Moody has been called up as his replacement.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

What the gently caress is going on here?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ryan Wilson, you filthy idiot.

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Aramoro posted:

He was clearly just vigorously freeing his foot from the Samoan who was holding him back.

By bringing his foot down on him.

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