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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
There's a new eternal league single player mode where you travel around a map entering comps etc.

NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Sep 6, 2017

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Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
I wish there was a way to speed up the AI turns like in the first bb game from cyanide. Single player matches take way too long without that.

Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

There's a new eternal league single player mode where you travel around a map entering comps etc.

poo poo, really? I might actually have to get this now...

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
There isn't much to the travelling part, mind you. You can basically enter seasonal comps and if you're in the top 2 or whatever you get a ticket to one of the big cups like the Chaos Cup and Spike Magazine Trophy. Eventually if you win one of the big cups you get to go to the Blood Bowl qualifiers. There are also resurrection leagues where I think your guys will come back if they get killed and a comp where you play against mixed teams.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Yeah that's worth picking it up for. I don't have the patience to play against people and their 3 minute moves all the time and its nice when i'm firing up BB1 that I can just blitz through a game in a few minutes.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


But isn't the AI really lovely and teaches you bad habits?

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010

Drone posted:

But isn't the AI really lovely and teaches you bad habits?

Yeah, but there's something appealing though about effortlessly stomping through several 2000+ TV AI teams with your own 2000+ Halfling team :allears:

How's BB2 now? I gave up because of the stupid match making system from release, is that still going? I'm tempted to pick up LE because Kislevs with a Bear.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
On the other hand, the AI won't call you a fag and drop the game when they get two players KOed on the second turn.

spacegoat
Dec 23, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nap Ghost
After 20 years of playing I have long sincecome to terms with the fact that I will never be good at it. Making people ragequit is all I have to play for.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
the AI teaching you bad habits is kind of an academic notion if you do not intend to play online - and a lot of folks don't. private leagues require a fair bit of time investment and communication with others which can be hard either logistically or because goons, and public perpetual leagues quite frankly are fundamentally flawed because they don't acknowledge half of the assumptions in the rulebook (such as weeks of play being a factor in a team's trajectory - a loss doesn't matter in public perpetual, only deaths do.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Personally I already had had habits from playing in essentially open eternal league of the board game when I was a teenager, against other teenagers, where we misinterpreted a few rules and almost no-one bothered to do stuff like game TV.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥

Coolguye posted:

the AI teaching you bad habits is kind of an academic notion if you do not intend to play online - and a lot of folks don't. private leagues require a fair bit of time investment and communication with others which can be hard either logistically or because goons, and public perpetual leagues quite frankly are fundamentally flawed because they don't acknowledge half of the assumptions in the rulebook (such as weeks of play being a factor in a team's trajectory - a loss doesn't matter in public perpetual, only deaths do.

I will admit that a lot of the dumbest behaviors in the game stem from the fact that was never meant to be played in perpetual leagues.


They did gently caress up the new inducement rules though. Unless they've changed it from beta, the way it works now is that the higher TV team buys inducements first and anything they spend out of their treasury gets added to their TV / the opponent's petty cash. Then the lower TV team buys inducements, and if they decide to go into their treasury there is no compensation for the higher TV team, which is liable to lead to stupid poo poo like a team being a 10k underdog and scumbagging a Wizard in a playoff game.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
Yeah there's two ways to deal with perpetuals in my mind. Either just let people make teams and level them up at the push of a button to make both time AND deaths worthless and reduce it to playing the game for the game's sake, or match based on number of times the team has played in order to make time matter. If you grind up some horribly minmaxed murder chaos over the course of 250 games, well, you won't have anyone that senior to play except other dillweeds doing the same thing.

Cyanide of course will do neither of these

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
hey I think I bought this a long time ago and I kinda want to learn

do I need all the millions of dlcs or whatever

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
well what exactly did you buy, is it 1 or 2

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236690/Blood_Bowl_2/

it came out in 2015 right? i figured this is the one everyone played

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
yeah, there's still some action in the old chaos edition from blood bowl 1 though which is why i asked

so you don't need the DLCs in this game until you want to play as the teams in them. all the quintessential teams are in the base game; orcs are probably the easiest to pick up for a newcomer, humans are the most flexible and can do a fair bit of both running the ball around, passing it, and punching dudes in the face. orcs are more bashy but still maintain a dude who's good at throwing the ball. so the one-sentence reply is to start with them and play around a little bit. start against the AI, yes we just finished saying it will teach you bad habits if you play against it forever because it's bad at the game but when you're learning what does what it's fine.

as you get more used to the game you might say to yourself "hey! playing as a bunch of zombies sounds cool" or "man i want to play as a bunch of short dudes in awesome hats" and at that point you'd go back and get the necromantic DLC or the Chaos Dwarves DLC respectively

Wooper
Oct 16, 2006

Champion draGoon horse slayer. Making Lancers weep for their horsies since 2011. Viva Dickbutt.
I finally got to try this game and everything is just so much in the way of actually playing the game. Menus, interface, animations, the annoying commentators. Playing is a chore.

As far as playing a multiplayer board game vs a brain dead AI, yes, there are plenty of campaign options so you can pretend it is meaningful.

Mahasamatman
Nov 8, 2006

Flame on the trail headed for the powder keg
Why do gobbos get matched at 150 bonus TV? Cyanide made this a "feature" apparently. A couple bribes is nowhere near seeing more MB block and tackle on enemy teams in value.

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp
I'm dumb and bad at this game but I am enjoying the new solo eternal mode with my team of rats named after US Presidents.



A troll punched W. so hard he died and I had to bring him back with an apothecary.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥

Mahasamatman posted:

Why do gobbos get matched at 150 bonus TV? Cyanide made this a "feature" apparently. A couple bribes is nowhere near seeing more MB block and tackle on enemy teams in value.

You're gonna love what they did with Halflings.

The same thing, but 300k :v:

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.

Bob James posted:

I'm dumb and bad at this game but I am enjoying the new solo eternal mode with my team of rats named after US Presidents.



A troll punched W. so hard he died and I had to bring him back with an apothecary.

Why is Trump not a rat ogre?

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp

Lunethex posted:

Why is Trump not a rat ogre?

Taft is going to be the rat ogre.

Tenasscity
Jan 1, 2010




Mahasamatman posted:

Why do gobbos get matched at 150 bonus TV? Cyanide made this a "feature" apparently. A couple bribes is nowhere near seeing more MB block and tackle on enemy teams in value.

CKnoor and the_sage are to thank for that wonderful idea.

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
Gobs are meant to play with bribes but forcing it seems inadvisable rather than having sliding scales for match-up tolerance.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
If you want your players to match up evenly with your opponent's players, maybe try a different team?

Goblins NEED bribes and star players.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
I've been sitting and waiting to get Blood Bowl 2 until it was cheap enough to be acceptable, and 44 bucks for the legendary edition is just right for me.

Do the goons here still hang out in IRC, or have you moved to Discord like most people?

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Is the IRC still vaguely active? I'm starting a new LP tomorrow and I was going to make a discord room and post it in that thread. I'm not dealing with IRC anymore given that discord exists. I don't know if people want to migrate over to discord or what, but I was just curious if people still used the IRC.

Not quite an edit: yah same thing as the guy above. I'm making an LP/general bloodbowl discord in the morning.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Here is the link to the new LP https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3833533&pagenumber=1

And also the discord channel I made for bowling the blood: https://discord.gg/CrYDjqd

Jump in or don't

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
I'll head over to r/mlp to let Furril know.

Antlerhill
Nov 6, 2012

Smellrose
Didn't gnuorder already make a discord that nobody bothers to use? I hope yours goes better agent.
Also you should play passing ogres for your LP.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Antlerhill posted:

Didn't gnuorder already make a discord that nobody bothers to use? I hope yours goes better agent.
Also you should play passing ogres for your LP.

Got almost 20 people in it at the moment and there's been constant chatter all day. Should at least stay fun and active through the LP, even had some people finding pick up games with each other for the first time in years so thats all super great!

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
First match w/Legendary Edition:

My new team is a 290k underdog in their first match, game froze to "internal server error" when I tried to view my opponent's roster, eating up most of my inducement selection time.

And I rolled a 1 twice for winnings. But that one is just Blood Bowl.

Victor Vermis fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Sep 9, 2017

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


What is the disadvantage of union teams?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Mixed teams? They tend to be gimmicky and aren't allowed in a lot of leagues I guess. They've only been available for a week so it will take a while for the meta to shake out.

Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Mixed teams? They tend to be gimmicky and aren't allowed in a lot of leagues I guess. They've only been available for a week so it will take a while for the meta to shake out.

My Chaos Pact now have a cow and a rogre with block. They are now the best pact team possible. The troll is useless, as is standard.

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

Gaghskull posted:

My Chaos Pact now have a cow and a rogre with block. They are now the best pact team possible. The troll is useless, as is standard.

Trolls are always just big piles of tackle zones. That's their lot in life.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Once again I'm playing to win the tournament with my Skaven team. Got paired on my first match against a Wood Elves team with a starting tree and ZERO rerolls. He, for some reason, gave me advice on building my team and I destroyed him 4-0 and 5 cas on him.

This game is beautiful, the only thing that would have make this better is if this clown was a goon.

Jester Mcgee
Mar 28, 2010

A lot of things have happened to me over my life.

I picked up the Legendary Edition so I guess it's time to play Blood Bowl again. I'm having trouble deciding what team to make. I love chaos, but I already have a highly developed chaos team and I've played a ton of games with them so I'm looking for something different.

What I like about chaos is that i don't have to try and keep them in a low TV bracket because they basically just get better and better, and that they aren't all that squishy.

So what team should I play?

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uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!
Have we thrown up a discord for the new game?

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