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Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!

uPen posted:

Have we thrown up a discord for the new game?

Those of us now playing are using this discord. https://discord.gg/cyz32Y

Jester Mcgee posted:

I picked up the Legendary Edition so I guess it's time to play Blood Bowl again. I'm having trouble deciding what team to make. I love chaos, but I already have a highly developed chaos team and I've played a ton of games with them so I'm looking for something different.

What I like about chaos is that i don't have to try and keep them in a low TV bracket because they basically just get better and better, and that they aren't all that squishy.

So what team should I play?

Play Necro. Not very squishy, regen on everyone but ghouls. They can bash hard on a couple of players. Werewolves become horrifyingly effective after getting block.

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Jester Mcgee
Mar 28, 2010

A lot of things have happened to me over my life.

Gaghskull posted:

Those of us now playing are using this discord. https://discord.gg/cyz32Y


Play Necro. Not very squishy, regen on everyone but ghouls. They can bash hard on a couple of players. Werewolves become horrifyingly effective after getting block.

Thanks for the advice. This team looks really fun.

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

Gaghskull posted:

Those of us now playing are using this discord. https://discord.gg/cyz32Y


Play Necro. Not very squishy, regen on everyone but ghouls. They can bash hard on a couple of players. Werewolves become horrifyingly effective after getting block.

The best teams, in my opinion are:

Dark Elves - can bash decently for an Agility 4 team thanks to their 4 blitzers and almost all 8 armor elves, while still being an Agility 4 team.

Orcs - Great all around team. You get high armor, lots of skills and a big guy if you want him

Necro - Tons of versatility and resiliency. You can pretty much build them into any type of team that you want to make them into.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Jester Mcgee posted:

I picked up the Legendary Edition so I guess it's time to play Blood Bowl again. I'm having trouble deciding what team to make. I love chaos, but I already have a highly developed chaos team and I've played a ton of games with them so I'm looking for something different.

What I like about chaos is that i don't have to try and keep them in a low TV bracket because they basically just get better and better, and that they aren't all that squishy.

So what team should I play?

Orcs are like Chaos in that they keep getting stronger with TV except they can actually play the ball.

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Orcs are like Chaos in that they keep getting stronger with TV except they can actually play the ball.

Except they don't deal well at all against clawstacks, which is what they will come up against routinely at high TV.

At least this turns roster bloat into a self-correcting problem.

Huzzah!
Sep 15, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.
Orcs have the option to throw team-mate, making it unequivocally the better of the two.

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Orcs are like Chaos in that they keep getting stronger with TV except they can actually play the ball.

Chaos can play the ball just as well if you build them that way, it just takes them a lot longer to get to that point since you have to skill up some players first. Orcs are far better at it right out of the box though. Leveling up a Chaos team is so painful, they just have no skills at all, which means early on you can't really play the ball very well and you can't really bash very well since none of your players have block yet.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
Welp I guess I'm getting sucked back in. Any goonbowls in the works with the new edition or does everybody play in the reddit tournaments?

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN


I need to stop giving money to these hacks.

FalloutGod
Dec 14, 2006
I keep seeing that the AI is bad and teaches you bad habits but can I get some examples of those bad habits? Watching agent's new LP is making me want to play again and I already own the first BB. Does the new game improve the AI in any noticeable way?

Iretep
Nov 10, 2009
the bad habits are mostly about teaching you to think human players are as dumb as the ai. the ai doesnt punish bad play like a human will.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Chaos can play ball just fine if you decided not to give EVERY SINGLE GUY Block MB Claw.

4 wins on this season, go rats!

Bootcha
Nov 13, 2012

Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending
Grimey Drawer

FalloutGod posted:

I keep seeing that the AI is bad and teaches you bad habits but can I get some examples of those bad habits? Watching agent's new LP is making me want to play again and I already own the first BB. Does the new game improve the AI in any noticeable way?

There has been some AI improvement since BB:CE, such as caging and awareness of the sideline, and some semblance of "I should score". But the AI lacks ability and knowledge of the meta level of Blood Bowl.

For example, you'll never see the AI punt the ball downfield to buy time for faster nimble players to get around and secure the ball from what was otherwise a bad field position.

The AI will not target and mercilessly foul your +STR piece.

Trolls will often try to blitz up on their own without a teammate nearby.

In fact, there's a lot of order of operation stuff the AI seems to struggle with.

I think the most meta thing I've seen the AI do was create a Chorf team of Hobgoblins. I might be confusing that with BB:CE though.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

It also still tries to cage up turn 16 rather than going balls to the wall for a td.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

The ai commits the heinous crime of ignoring surfs if it can blitz the ball carrier.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP

Brainamp posted:

The ai commits the heinous crime of ignoring surfs if it can blitz the ball carrier.

The worst crime of all

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Always play against other people, If you lose 2 matches you will eventually get paired against other people who are losing/have low TV.

Like the infamous teams with 0 rerolls and BIGGUY first move.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
Third game with slann kislev, I have only 11 players total with the skills a catcher with dodge and a linesman with block who just got a niggle. Should I ditch the linesman immediately, or keep him for the two games I need to be able to afford to replace him? I'm going to be with a loner next game anyway, so I kind of want to just kick him immediately.


That bear's food isn't cheap.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
it's up to you ultimately but i'd consider a niggle to be way better than loner - especially when you talk about having block as part of the deal. the main risk you run is getting an MVP on the guy before you can fire him, but honestly if he gets an MVP/levels up you can see what his levelup is and maybe reconsider firing him. a niggle is not the worst thing in the world.

Random Hajile
Aug 25, 2003

I wouldn't fire a niggled player with a skill that early in a team's development (unless it was something like a Norse lino). Avoid developing him any further if you can and replace him when you've got several more skilled dudes... Unless he ends up leveling again and getting a doubles skill or AG/ST up.

Random Hajile fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Sep 18, 2017

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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I'm on the same plan. Niggled players without any special distinguishing features should be replaced in the long-term, but it's not an instant career-ender like strength loss. Fire them when you have the money to do so and try not to use them as scorers in the mean time.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
Second question: all the things I've seen say to use linesmen as wrestling strippers even though catchers seem like they'd be better at that role due to their more reliable leap. Does a -2db vs a 1db make that much of a difference? Or is it more that the catcher would immediately eat 8 boots to the face on turn 1?

e: what I'm trying to say is that I loving hate AG3 dodging and it's even better when no dodge skill exists for leaps.

gonadic io fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Sep 18, 2017

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
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Wrestle / Strip Ball catcher will probably do the job fairly well early on when any pile of dice without a skull does the trick, but if you end up playing against carriers with sure hands he's going to struggle to do his job.

You also have the issue where your catchers aren't as fast as the analogous pieces that normally get built for the job.

team overhead smash
Sep 2, 2006

Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

deathbagel posted:

The best teams, in my opinion are:

Dark Elves - can bash decently for an Agility 4 team thanks to their 4 blitzers and almost all 8 armor elves, while still being an Agility 4 team.

Orcs - Great all around team. You get high armor, lots of skills and a big guy if you want him

Necro - Tons of versatility and resiliency. You can pretty much build them into any type of team that you want to make them into.

Best teams in order are:

Ogres - Can bash really good once you are high enough TV to do away with Gnoblars and have plenty of RRs
Chaos
Nurgle
Chaos Dwarf
Orc
Khemri
Dwarf
Undead
Necromantic
Lizardmen
Norse
Skaven
Human
Dark Elves
Goblin
Vampire
Wood Elves
Amazon
High Elves
Underworld
Halflings - Very bad at bashing

Hopefully you can work out the comments for all the intermediary positions between the two extremes.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Why is underworld so low when you seem to enjoy being killy?

Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!
I wouldn't think that Underworld would be anywhere near that low simply because they get native access to claw pombers.

FalloutGod
Dec 14, 2006
Guy just hits end turn and the AI still can't score. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwyuO1NHHw4 I guess MP really is the only way to play a BB game.

cKnoor
Nov 2, 2000

I built this thumb out of two nails, a broken bottle and some razorwire.
Slippery Tilde

Tenasscity posted:

CKnoor and the_sage are to thank for that wonderful idea.

I just spent one loving hour debating something I didn't say on stream and this is where it came from? wtf

FalloutGod
Dec 14, 2006
Would you say thats........... UNFORTUNATE?

cKnoor
Nov 2, 2000

I built this thumb out of two nails, a broken bottle and some razorwire.
Slippery Tilde

FalloutGod posted:

Would you say thats........... UNFORTUNATE?

More frustrating to be blamed for something I had nothing to do with, it's not like it's hard to find me to ask.

Tenasscity
Jan 1, 2010




cKnoor posted:

More frustrating to be blamed for something I had nothing to do with, it's not like it's hard to find me to ask.

The story is that You mentioned somewhere that the teams should always be down TV, and The_Sage agreed and the devs listen to him.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

This weekend i made a chaos team where I picked up the mino and his first game, I got a touchback and decided to big guy ball. Taking his touchdown in that game and his next oppenents taking a dirt nap as a sign from nuffle i handed him the ball in his second game. Repeatedly. Three touchdowns worth repeatedly.

I like this cow.

NiknudStunod
May 2, 2009
Anyone have any experience with the ps4 version? I have been craving blood bowl and with my pc dead ps4 is my only alternative.

Mercykiller
Oct 22, 2009
Some of us bloodbowl nerds are having a tournament over at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3837631 So if you've got that bloodbowl itch and also bloodbowl 2 for pc then come on and ruin my day on the pitch.

Delacroix
Dec 7, 2010

:munch:
Ogre toss killing a treeman has to be one of the most hilarious dicings I've seen. No apo dub skulls sadly, that would have cinched it.

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
I wonder if that reverent silence in dialogue was because nobody could comprehend that just happened.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

I dunno, the tree pegging itself with a fling in the ongoing l.p. was pretty hilarious if less damaging.

Delacroix
Dec 7, 2010

:munch:

Lunethex posted:

I wonder if that reverent silence in dialogue was because nobody could comprehend that just happened.

Considering it was a turn two casualty, the team was a write off after failing to score in the drive and getting injuries. His banter was deflated, to put it lightly.

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

So I was looking at all the mixed teams last night and I think someone needs to run a mixed team league. 1000TV start so things only start moderately wacky. I don't have the organizational skills to run a league or I'd do it myself.

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gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

deathbagel posted:

So I was looking at all the mixed teams last night and I think someone needs to run a mixed team league. 1000TV start so things only start moderately wacky. I don't have the organizational skills to run a league or I'd do it myself.

Speak of the devil, Cknoor is running one. It's called Mr Hadwick Mixer and is open application for 1kTV. There'll be streams tomorrow and next sat which will inevitably be crowded , but I'm trying to get some games before then. Spinning right now with
4 Saurus
3 Kislev Catcher
1 Kislev Blitzer
3 Zon lino

and

3 Gunners,
2 Chaos warriors
4 Beastmen,
1 DE Blitzer,
1 Goblin

gonadic io fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Nov 10, 2017

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