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oatgan posted:he vacated the WWE and IC titles REFUSING to put anybody over in the process and wouldn't even let Sheamus pin him without a banana peel distraction at Wrestlemania Well, he was trained by HBK after all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUXQ20UGqCs One of the best MMA fighters (at the time) vs. the best shoot style wrestlers I don't really know much about Volk Han either besides he was one of the best shoot style wrestlers.
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Volk Han looks like someone you could rip off wholesale nowadays and everyone would be  about how great you are since like 5 people on the planet are technical wrestlers.
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mariooncrack posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUXQ20UGqCs You meant to say (of all time.)
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1. Why is nobody familiar with Volk Han what's wrong with you 2. When you look up videos of RINGS matches on YouTube, there's always guys in the comments talking about how weak the ground game was back then, etc. Like "Haha look at that weak armbar it's like he's not even applying any pressure 5 year olds do better today"
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Volk Han is my favorite and a shoe-in for one of the best technical wrestlers of all-time, imo, but I've never really felt like he's a great fit for the hall of fame. Guy is one of the few guys to do both works and shoots in RINGS without having to write a suicide note first, his grappling offense is second-to-none, and even in his first professional match he'd already locked in the timing required of pro-style. The number of blatant ripoffs of him in games and comics is probably second only to Abdullah the Butcher or Bruiser Brody, and his techniques randomly show up in poo poo to this day. He is definitely in the conversation of best shoot-style wrestler ever, but he only ever worked for RINGS. No matter how big that was in the '90s, it didn't exactly spit any pro wrestling stars out the other end, and not too many people took up the style after it imploded and turned into Maeda's weird MMA fed/hustling ring/porno fund. Probably in part because Volk Han basically detonated his body doing such a high-impact technical-wrestling style. Guy was world-class in so many regards, definitely got ticket sales in a boom period for alternative styles of pro wrestling, and had a pretty good amount of crossover ideal, but it's hard to argue for him being one of the true legends of the sport. In short, DynamiteKidd posted:1. Why is nobody familiar with Volk Han what's wrong with you
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The WON HOF does specify that someone can get in by being all-time great in just one of the three criteria (work, drawing, influence). I'm not really a fan of the idea of guys getting in largely due to work because it's so subjective but hey it's not my HOF. IMO if Han gets in then Tamura is at least equally deserving (maybe more since he eventually became the native top star which is a more important role) and Fujiwara significantly moreso.
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Spermgod posted:The WON HOF does specify that someone can get in by being all-time great in just one of the three criteria (work, drawing, influence). I'm not really a fan of the idea of guys getting in largely due to work because it's so subjective but hey it's not my HOF. IMO if Han gets in then Tamura is at least equally deserving (maybe more since he eventually became the native top star which is a more important role) and Fujiwara significantly moreso. I'll agree on your points about workrate and Tamura. But I'll especially agree with your point about Fujiwara. There's no possible loving way he doesn't deserve it.
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LvK posted:I'll agree on your points about workrate and Tamura. But I'll especially agree with your point about Fujiwara. There's no possible loving way he doesn't deserve it. He's never even been on the ballot somehow, and people have asked for him to be on.
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the gently caress did Gramps do to deserve this injustice?
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If they induct Volk Han it needs to be under his real name, Magomedkhan Amanulayevich Gamzatkhanov
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Alaois posted:If they induct Volk Han it needs to be under his real name, Magomedkhan Amanulayevich Gamzatkhanov Moscow MAGnum
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quote:Issue won't be out for a few weeks, but 7 new Hall of Famers in 2015. Most newcomers since 2004.
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It'll be a few weeks because Dave is gonna break into people's living rooms in the middle of the night ala Chili Palmer to explain why they were wrong to vote for Sting.
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At least they're actually inducting people, last year's one-man ballot was lame. But I've always been a Big Hall guy so this is cool to me.
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I guess I can live with Sting in the hall as long as Dave's bio discusses how lovely he was/is in great detail
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LEAKED INDUCTEES Blade Runner Flash Blade Runner Sting Surfer Sting Crow Sting Wolfpac Sting Joker Sting Vigilante Sting
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Hoping Col James McLaughlin made it in.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:LEAKED INDUCTEES Man Called Sting got robbed.
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Big snub to Real Estate Steve.
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Sprecherscrow posted:Big snub to Real Estate Steve. That guy couldn't sell for poo poo.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:LEAKED INDUCTEES And not a single vote for Steve "Steve" Borden. Guess there's always next year 
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The votes are in Brock Lesnar Shinsuke Nakamura Perro Aguayo Jr. Masked Assassins Ivan Koloff Carlos Colon Eddie Quinn
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There's clearly many people voting in the Mexico category that have no business doing so. Not sure if there's a good argument for Nakamura getting in before Taue and Akiyama.
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for anybody reading this without an observer subscription this is really how dave presented his data: WRESTLING OBSERVER HALL OF FAME BALLOTING RESULTS Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. and Cana modern (234); U.S. and Canada historical (135); Japan (99); Mexico (92); Rest of the World (131); Europe (71). PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 BROCK LESNAR 297 76% 56% Junkyard Dog 112 29% 16% SHINSUKE NAKAMURA 120 73% ---- L.A. Park 44 29% 24% PERRO AGUAYO JR. 110 72% ---- Otto Wanz 34 29% 25% THE ASSASSINS (Hamilton/Renesto) 147 65% 48% Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 64 28% 24% IVAN KOLOFF 237 61% 48% Dr. Wagner Jr. 41 27% 24% CARLOS COLON 132 60% 56% Domenic DeNucci 58 27% 21% Gene Okerlund 226 58% 36% June Byers 59 26% 14% Jim Crockett Sr. 129 57% 44% Larry Matysik 58 26% 16% Los Misioneros de la Muerte 86 56% 36% Akira Taue 42 26% 16% Villano III 85 56% 33% John Tolos 57 25% 13% Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan 209 54% ---- Billy Joyce 29 25% 27% Mike & Ben Sharpe 89 54% 46% Cowboy Bob Ellis 55 24% ---- Cien Caras 83 54% 54% Horst Hoffman 28 24% 23% Volk Han 86 52% 51% Sgt. Slaughter 91 23% 22% Bill Apter 204 52% 42% Cima 38 23% ---- Sting 197 51% 33% Yuji Nagata 38 23% 37% Gary Hart 192 49% 33% C.M. Punk 85 22% 19% Jerry Jarrett 187 48% 44% Masahiko Kimura 37 22% 23% Edge 173 44% 36% Kiyoshi Tamura 37 22% 23% Stanley Weston 98 44% 31% Von Brauners w/Saul Weingeroff 50 22% 10% PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 Rollerball Mark Rocco 50 42% 32% Ultimo Guerrero 32 21% 24% Howard Finkel 164 42% 29% Kendo Nagasaki 23 20% 15% Karloff Lagarde 62 41% 48% Jim Crockett Jr. 77 20% 23% Big Daddy 48 41% 43% Kinji Shibuya 40 18% 14% Blue Panther 61 40% 28% Dave Brown 71 18% 13% Jackie Pallo 47 40% 27% George Gordienko 29 18% 25% Ricky Starr 46 39% ---- George Scott 68 17% 19% Enrique Torres 84 37% 25% Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy 37 17% 12% Mark Lewin 80 37% 38% Pepper Gomez 37 16% 10% Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 80 36% 21% Rocky Johnson 35 16% ---- Minoru Suzuki 59 36% 22% Jim Breaks 19 16% 14% Jimmy Hart 139 36% 36% Dick Hutton 34 15% 13% Red Bastien 79 35% 34% Randy Orton 59 15% ---- Johnny Saint 41 35% 29% Spyros Arion 32 15% 15% Jun Akiyama 55 33% 29% Ultimate Warrior 52 13% 20% Killer Karl Kox 73 33% 32% Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima 19 12% 17% Los Brazos 50 33% 16% Vampiro 19 12% 11% Don Owen 129 33% 30% Ron Wright 25 11% ---- Huracan Ramirez 47 31% 27% Mario Milano 25 11% 11% Curt Hennig 115 30% 23% Johnny Barend 23 11% 10% Less than 10% of the votes from the region and dropped from next year’s ballot: Bob Geigel, Big Show, A.J. Styles, Hector Garza Dropped from next year’s ballot due to the 15 year/50% rule: Nobody Added to the ballot next year: Caristico, Kerry Von Erich, Fishman, Bearcat Wright, Pedro Morales Will be dropped after next year if not inducted or 50%: Cien Caras, Villano III, Volk Han, Blue Panther TOP AMONG DIFFERENT VOTING GROUPS REPORTERS HISTORIANS FORMER WRESTLERS ACTIVE WRESTLERS 1. The Assassins 1. Volk Han 1. Cien Caras 1. Jim Crockett Sr. 2. Bryan Danielson 2. Ivan Koloff 2. Mike & Ben Sharpe 2. Carlos Colon 3. Shinsuke Nakamura 3. Brock Lesnar 3. Bill Apter 3. The Assassins 4. Stanley Weston 4. Shinsuke Nakamura 4. Gene Okerlund 4. Perro Aguayo Jr. 5. Perro Aguayo Jr. 5. Gary Hart 5. John Tolos 5. Rollerball Mark Rocco 6. Brock Lesnar 6. Enrique Torres 6. George Gordienko 6. Johnny Saint 7. Jim Crockett Sr. 7. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 7. Shinsuke Nakamura 7. Gary Hart 8. Gene Okerlund 8. Jerry Jarrett 8. Curt Hennig 8. Shinsuke Nakamura 9. Carlos Colon 9. Villano III 9. Ricki Starr 9. Brock Lesnar 10. Villano III 10. Perro Aguayo Jr. 10. Red Bastien 10. Villano III 11. Mike & Ben Sharpe 11. Karloff Lagarde 11. Jim Crockett Sr. 11. Dr. Wagner Jr. 12. Ivan Koloff 12. Blue Panther 12. Ivan Koloff 12. Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 13. Cien Caras 13. Bill Apter 13. Don Owen 13. Sting 14. Edge 14. Carlos Colon 14. Killer Karl Kox 14. Gene Okerlund 15. Big Daddy 15. Mark Lewin 15. Carlos Colon 15. Bill Apter REPORTERS HISTORIANS FORMER WRESTLERS ACTIVE WRESTLERS 16. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 16. Don Owen 16. Edge 16. Howard Finkel 17. Sting 17. Sting 17. Domenic DeNucci 17. Yuji Nagata 18. Jerry Jarrett 18. Bryan Danielson 18. Mark Lewin 18. Akira Taue 19. Howard Finkel 19. Los Brazos 19. Jerry Jarrett 19. Ron Wright 20. Minoru Suzuki 20. Cien Caras 20. Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 20. Jimmy Hart 21. Blue Panther 21. Howard Finkel 21. Perro Aguayo Jr. 21. Curt Hennig 22. Jimmy Hart 22. The Assassins 22. Los Brazos 22. Ivan Koloff 23. Volk Han 23. Jackie Pallo 23. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 23. June Byers 24. Bill Apter 24. Jimmy Hart 24. The Assassins 24. Von Brauners w/Saul Weingeroff 25. L.A. Park 25. Gene Okerlund 25. Jun Akiyama 25. Cowboy Bob Ellis 26. Ultimo Guerrero 26. Stanley Weston 26. Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy 26. Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 27. Red Bastien 27. L.A. Park 27. Larry Matysik 27. Junkyard Dog 28. June Byers 28. June Byers 28. Rollerball Mark Rocco 28. Jerry Jarrett 29. Kiyoshi Tamura 29. Jim Crockett Sr. 29. Brock Lesnar 29. Edge 30. Don Owen 30. Killer Karl Kox 30. Sting 30. Sgt. Slaughter i pay money for this
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Alain Post posted:Brock is kind of silly at this stage too IMO. Burn down the HOF. by which I mean Dave's house. save the tapes
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Nothing survived. Sources say that if only the house had a functioning smoke detector the loss of life and priceless wrestling tapes could have been avoided.
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oatgan posted:for anybody reading this without an observer subscription this is really how dave presented his data: lmao
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oatgan posted:also lmao AJ got kicked off the ballot for a second time The TNA stink is strong.
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