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ubergnu
Jun 7, 2002

Failed gothic
When you think about it, hitting your head so hard that your hair falls out might explain some things about him.

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Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Goddamn Wisconsin get it together

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Lord of Pie posted:

Goddamn Wisconsin get it together

They are obsessed with football, sausage, and cheese. While this makes them pretty fun on the weekends, these are not the kind of people you would trust with governing the nation.

User Error
Aug 31, 2006
Good beer too. I would kill for a Moon Man pale ale.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



ubergnu posted:

When you think about it, hitting your head so hard that your hair falls out might explain some things about him.



Goddamn is he one ugly motherfucker.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:

I really don't think he's anything like Huntsman and I doubt very much he shared any significant % of supporters. I don't think SW really even had a base outside of WI to be honest, his polling was pure name recognition, which is pretty much the complete opposite of Huntsmans deal. Republicans outside of WI were vaguely aware that he was the dude that showed the unions whats what but as soon as they actually saw him speak his support vanished completely.

They're similar insofar as they both got a small policy wonk section of the GOP excited but turned out to have absolutely no appeal to the GOP's primary voters.

Philthy posted:

Wait, what. A director and screenwriter? I would imagine he is a part of SAG and all the other unions that depend on each other for Hollywood to even function. This would be like a black KKK guy. I suppose there has got to be at least one out there. I guess Reagan was in a union for his entire life, but he also praised them during that time. He only busted up the airline one because he was pissed, not because he was inherently anti-union.

Reagan also praised unions while his administration was gutting labour rights. One of his criticisms of the Soviet Union was that workers couldn't form their own unions.

Anyway the guy I'm thinking of has a property on Lake Muskoka, a nice house in downtown Toronto and a house in Los Angeles so I imagine his status as a rich old white guy trumps the fact he should theoretically know better (the guy was also in Vietnam reporting on the war so he should really know better, but something funny happens to white dudes after they hit 40). He's also the kind of guy who would claim to be a moderate conservative despite tending to support and identify with the Republicans.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
put a conservative's back against the wall even slightly and see where all the vaunted "liberty" and love of "freedom" goes

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
Whole lotta stories poppin up about mismanaged money in his campaign, his state job agencies, and now the Kochs want 900 million back from him.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Philthy posted:

Whole lotta stories poppin up about mismanaged money in his campaign, his state job agencies, and now the Kochs want 900 million back from him.

lmao what are they going to do call a collection agency?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Lord of Pie posted:

Colbert's Hunger Games rip on Walker dropping out will be the peak of his coverage

For those who missed it.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Philthy posted:

Whole lotta stories poppin up about mismanaged money in his campaign, his state job agencies, and now the Kochs want 900 million back from him.

I have a sinking feeling that I know exactly where that money is going to come from.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
The Department of Administration of Wisconsin incurred costs for his presidential bid, and is now seeking a refund from his campaign war chest leftovers for what they paid.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy
I guess the answer is that Scott Walker has no appeal.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Hilario Baldness posted:

The Department of Administration of Wisconsin incurred costs for his presidential bid, and is now seeking a refund from his campaign war chest leftovers for what they paid.

The Department of Administration was stuffed with Walker stooges and is now extremely corrupt and partisan. For example, they claimed pro-union protesters did $7.2 million in damage to the capitol, which was eventually revised down to nothing. Since his presidential bid failed, Walker's next move is to put all workers in the state under their purview.

SousaphoneColossus
Feb 16, 2004

There are a million reasons to ruin things.

skaboomizzy posted:

They are obsessed with football, sausage, and cheese. While this makes them pretty fun on the weekends, these are not the kind of people you would trust with governing the nation.

if they doesn't vote Feingold back into the Senate, this state that I've never been to and never plan to go to is dead to me

ATribeCalledKvetch
Nov 5, 2010

I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish.

SousaphoneColossus posted:

if they doesn't vote Feingold back into the Senate, this state that I've never been to and never plan to go to is dead to me

Feingold's pretty much a shoe-in, the senator he lost the seat to self-funded his campaign last time and has said he will not do so this time.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

Stereotype posted:

The Department of Administration was stuffed with Walker stooges and is now extremely corrupt and partisan. For example, they claimed pro-union protesters did $7.2 million in damage to the capitol, which was eventually revised down to nothing. Since his presidential bid failed, Walker's next move is to put all workers in the state under their purview.

Check out this e-mail coming from DHS Secretary to us plebians:

quote:

September 24th,2015 - Governor Scott Walker Releases Statement on Recruitment and Retention Reforms

Madison – Governor Scott Walker today released the following statement regarding recruitment and retention reform legislation to be introduced by Senator Roger Roth and Representative Jim Steineke:

“Wisconsin needs to be able to compete for the best and the brightest employees in today’s modern workforce. This legislation will implement common-sense reforms to our recruiting process to get the best in the door and will give state agencies the tools to retain their great employees, as well as to address the bad actors who abuse the system. “Through these reforms, we will be able to ensure state government is providing the highest quality services to our citizens. I appreciate the hard work of Senator Roth and Representative Steineke in developing these thoughtful recruiting and retention reforms.”

Agencies frequently experience issues as they work to quickly hire or identify the best person for the job, retain and reward top employees, or try to discipline the few bad actors who are taking advantage of the system.

Here are just a few issues state agencies have encountered within the current civil service system:

-One of every 12 employees is currently eligible for retirement, 23 percent of state workers are set to be retirement eligible in the next five years, and 40 percent of state employees will be retirement eligible in the next 10 years. Meanwhile, the recruitment process can take months because of nonsensical standards developed decades ago.
-The current exam process put forward a short order cook as the top candidate for a financial examiner position, which requires accounting and finance skills, at the Department of Financial Institutions.
-Many agencies have identified their top candidate for a job after months-long recruitment processes only to find out that the best qualified person took another job in the private sector or elsewhere because the state hiring process took too long.
-A current archaic law on the books related to “Job Abandonment” does not allow state agencies to remove employees who do not show up for work, even if they do not give notice that they will not be at work, until they do not show up without notice for five consecutive days.
-At the Department of Revenue, a state employee, who came under criminal investigation and was ultimately charged with theft, fled to Canada, and the agency was not able to fire this employee until after he had abandoned his job for more than five consecutive days.
-Recognizing the high quality work product of state agencies’ top performers is an important management tool, which is why Governor Walker and the Legislature created the discretionary merit compensation awards (DMC) in 2011. This tool allows managers to reward stellar job performance. Currently, DMCs are awarded from individual agency budgets.
-The legislation introduced by Senator Roth and Representative Steineke will create a designated fund for discretionary merit compensation awards to ensure that top performers and excellent work are recognized and rewarded.
-The Department of Natural Resources was ultimately prohibited from firing an employee who spent thousands of hours watching pornography. The employee had their job restored because they were not “sufficiently” warned and the agency should have taken steps to accommodate their addiction.
-The Department of Corrections was unable to terminate an employee who used illegal drugs with a parolee they were assigned to oversee. This employee was terminated but then allowed back in through the arbitration process.

1: Supervisors are trained to be discouraged from recommending subordinate staff for discretionary merit compensation.
2. All of the staff he mentions by name in this are republicans (not really a surprise).
3. The job selection process is slow because it's been designed to be as objective as possible.
4. The mentioning of specific cases is the same as identifying the bus drivers who abused the overtime system to make 100,000+/year: divide and conquer. Get us pissed at each other and they change the rules to the benefit of the rich.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
Not gunna lie, applying for the state is a huge pain in the rear end that generally takes months. When I was unemployed, I applied for about 6 or 7 positions. Each required either a test and multiple page essay to be considered, or just essay questions. I didn't mind doing this, it separates people who can't even spell their names and allows for people to really explain why they're qualified. You finally get an email one to two months later asking to call so and so and set up a time to come in for an initial interview which is usually two weeks out. Once you get in, it's usually three people who are considered experts in the field you're going to be going in (IT for me). None of them ever saw your essay questions that you submitted previously, they're not allowed to. After this, if it goes well, you will then wait another week or two and set up a second interview with the manager you would be working under.

The amount of time to get a single job for the state is loving ridiculous, and I can only applaud any process that makes it into something more sane. I remember the days of throwing my resume at a company, getting a call the next day asking for you to come in, you hit it off, and you get an offer a day or two later. Done. I also walked both ways to school in the snow. Up a hill.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
still waiting for walker to die in a motorcycle accident and hope that he is an organ donor

thats his appeal to me

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Like everything else about him, his organs are bought and paid for by the Kochs.

Fall Sick and Die
Nov 22, 2003
If he doesn't give the Kochs their money back someone's gonna be a-peeling him off the steps of the Wisconsin Capitol building

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Top City Homo posted:

still waiting for walker to die in a motorcycle accident and hope that he is an organ donor

thats his appeal to me

Pfft, like he's an organ donor

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
I'm imagining Scott Walker as Tim and Eric from Billion Dollar Movie and laughing a lot.

HMS Beagle
Feb 13, 2009



Wanamingo posted:

Pfft, like he's an organ donor

The Kochs have to be keeping him around for something.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

Philthy posted:

Not gunna lie

It is a pain in the rear end, and it's incredibly objective to get the strongest candidate regardless of who they are. When this goes through I'm convinced this is only going to lead to widespread cronyism. Whatever they do, it's setting a dangerous precedent.

Hilario Baldness has issued a correction as of 19:37 on Sep 27, 2015

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Government jobs tend to also be incredibly stable compared to most sectors, to the extent that the months of vetting tend to be worth it.

Of course, this might not be the case in Scott Walkers Teenage Nuclear Superpocalypse

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


Philthy posted:

Not gunna lie, applying for the state is a huge pain in the rear end that generally takes months. When I was unemployed, I applied for about 6 or 7 positions. Each required either a test and multiple page essay to be considered, or just essay questions. I didn't mind doing this, it separates people who can't even spell their names and allows for people to really explain why they're qualified. You finally get an email one to two months later asking to call so and so and set up a time to come in for an initial interview which is usually two weeks out. Once you get in, it's usually three people who are considered experts in the field you're going to be going in (IT for me). None of them ever saw your essay questions that you submitted previously, they're not allowed to. After this, if it goes well, you will then wait another week or two and set up a second interview with the manager you would be working under.

The amount of time to get a single job for the state is loving ridiculous, and I can only applaud any process that makes it into something more sane. I remember the days of throwing my resume at a company, getting a call the next day asking for you to come in, you hit it off, and you get an offer a day or two later. Done. I also walked both ways to school in the snow. Up a hill.

All of this poo poo is in place because 100 years ago whichever rear end in a top hat got elected as governor would fire a bunch of people and replace them with whoever helped him get elected / his family / his drinking buddies. As a society we eventually decided that letting executives give government jobs to their buddies or as a "thank you" for helping them get elected was A Bad Thing, so we put in place systems with tedious checks all along the way to ensure that poo poo doesn't happen anymore.

I'm sure it feels good to bitch about how much of a pain in the rear end the process was, but if the process wasn't there the job never would have been posted - it just would have been given to some retarded nephew of the Koch brothers.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

All of this poo poo is in place because 100 years ago whichever rear end in a top hat got elected as governor would fire a bunch of people and replace them with whoever helped him get elected / his family / his drinking buddies. As a society we eventually decided that letting executives give government jobs to their buddies or as a "thank you" for helping them get elected was A Bad Thing, so we put in place systems with tedious checks all along the way to ensure that poo poo doesn't happen anymore.

I'm sure it feels good to bitch about how much of a pain in the rear end the process was, but if the process wasn't there the job never would have been posted - it just would have been given to some retarded nephew of the Koch brothers.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

I'm sure it feels good to bitch about how much of a pain in the rear end the process was, but if the process wasn't there the job never would have been posted - it just would have been given to some retarded nephew of the Koch brothers.

The problem is that you basically have to be unemployed to have the time and willpower to see the entire process through. I couldn't imagine a good engineer from somewhere else thinking "Hey, that job opening at the state sounds pretty kickass." and stick through it. They've got to be missing out by doing this.

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
His greatest appeal, to me, is that he's not running for president.

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