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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Punk Hazard and Dressrosa were the first time I cared about One Piece since Sabaody, so I'm very happy it happened even though Dressrosa became longer than it needed to.

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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Endorph posted:

best arc was cp9, worst was new fishman island

This but replace CP9 with Alabasta

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Wait I lied I dislike Kuja Island and Marineford more than Fishman Island

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Please don't call my opinion wrong because you disagree. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I did that to you.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Why

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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anime was right posted:

i like all of the arcs, but the arc i liked the least was skypeia simply because: long, the fights weren't as cool as other arcs, didn't seem to have the most relevance to the plot (still doesn't, but i think it will be more important toward the end of the series), followed by davy back, but i still liked all of the arcs and didnt think any of them were bad.

I think Skypiea's okay, but that's probably just because I have a really high opinion of Eneru as an antagonist and the climax of it is loving amazing. It does really drag out though and overstays its welcome, but I think for what short time Eneru is there makes up for it.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Jose posted:

kuja island isn't the best but its peak luffy and then marineford is marineford. did you watch the anime of it or something?

admittedly it all does lack the rest of the crew

I'm not gonna answer you because you're just gonna keep being a condescending douche. If you actually want me to answer your questions then talk to me like a person.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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You seem to be psychoanalyzing a lot of reasons I've never given you and with statements like "I don't know how" it doesn't make me feel like you actually want to discuss anything so much as you just wanna throw things you think are objectively correct at me and how I'm reading the wrong series because I don't like two arcs.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Asuron posted:

You're taking this weirdly personally. Noone actually cares if you like Marineford or not, they're just busting your chops.

Although that being said I don't know how you could dislike it, it's pretty much the big payoff to all the massive setpieces that One Piece had been building up to for years.

Why is it so hard for you to just say "What do you dislike about it?" Why is it immediately "I don't know how?" Like your brain is actually completely unable to empathize with somebody who dislikes something that you like.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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TheKingofSprings posted:

Just say what you dislike about it holy poo poo

Lol, alright, I'm done being an rear end in a top hat. Kuja Island I have simple feelings about. It overstays its welcome or at least feels like, it parrots a lot of the same jokes and at the end of the day the new big character they introduce just ends up being kind of flat. Hancock had a really strong introduction and she was pretty cool for a while and then Luffy yells at her and she falls in love with him and that's pretty much her character for the rest of the series. Even at Marineford when she's worrying about Luffy constantly and her own status as a warlord feels like it's just there so they can get to Impel Down. She was a really funny character for a while and then I just stopped finding her funny because of her fixation with Luffy since she didn't really have much more to her than that afterwards. She doesn't need to be a deep character or anything, but I wanted her to have more than what is essentially a recurring gag.

Impel Down I really liked and thought it was a lot of fun and introduced a lot of cool characters who had a lot of personality and it was nice to see a lot of the old villains again with the Crossdresser squad being a lot of fun and Mr. 2 having a really cool moment. I don't have much in the way of complaints for Impel Down I genuinely enjoyed it. Marineford I didn't really like because it really dragged on and just like a lot of the fights became massive clusterfucks and it just kept jumping from character to character making the entire mass of people insane and a really annoying series of fights to follow. It was like I was reading a big Naruto fight where it just devolves into a mess of poo poo, but the art was kind of better.

Whitebeard and Ace I just flat out didn't care about. I used to like Ace a lot, but after Marineford he just felt like another One Piece character to me and not unique, the same sort of goes for Whitebeard, but in his previous appearances he doesn't even get much established for him beyond the fact he's loving huge and the strongest guy in the world. At no point did my opinion of that ever really change, like I just sort of felt the same way about him through the entire thing. I think it's mostly because I just never really felt connected to him and dropping all of this poo poo about him being a father to his men and Ace's sob story about being the Pirate King's kid just made me react with "Okay." It doesn't feel like it really earned any of it or like I'm learning about these characters just that their story keeps getting thrown at me.

To top it off Blackbeard shows up at the end of it all to fart a new power out of his rear end like he masterminded most of this poo poo and Shanks shows up to stop it in a really sudden way. Fwiw, I did enjoy it when characters like sharp and Sengoku got shown off because they were always characters who I thought were interesting and wanted to see more of and I felt like Garp's turmoil over helping his grandsons and doing his duty was really cool. Sengoku resigning as lead guy afterwards was also a surprising way to end it. Sakazuki was also a really effective villain and even though I didn't care about Ace, I think Oda did a really stellar job of making him insanely hate able without making his shittiness feel like too much at points. There's things I liked about it, but overall I just didn't like Marineford.

A big thing about why I enjoy One Piece is because Luffy is at his best when he is interacting with his crew or major villains because you really get to see the best parts of his character. So him not being with his crew was hurting it for me already and to top it off he never really played off anyone in Marineford either. The most he had was Sakazuki who was not having any of his poo poo. I don't feel like Marineford was objectively bad so much as I didn't enjoy it at all. Sorry about the run around guys, enjoy.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I Love Annie May posted:

I still can't believe they made you a mod.

Lol, I legit refused to moderate these threads because they were actively terrible and some of the worst on ADTRW. That's even including that one Looney Tunes porn thread Brawww made one time.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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AB, what'd you have for lunch today

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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AnonSpore posted:

The part I liked most about Marineford was that tiny little scene where Kizaru is about to own some fools and then suddenly there's Ben Beckman just sitting there with a gun of all things pointed at his head, and the man who can literally move at the speed of light and is completely immune to conventional weaponry besides raises his hands in defeat and backs down.

I'm probably misremembering parts of that but I really liked it all the same.

I'm still waiting for Beckmann to do a thing. One day he will do something and I will be excited for it

anime was right posted:

i think marco is a cool character with a cool visual design with a cool power and it was fun when he did stuff

I actually turned the corner on Marco in Pirate Warriors 2 when I got see his Phoenix stuff in motion and it actually was super cool

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I think scans around the time of Davey Back Fight were more terrible than they are now? What exactly did Usopp say?

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Hmm, I'd need to look at the original scans and confirm, but that's uhhhh pretty unfortunate.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I'm sorry I'm not Zorak, AB. I can't be who you want me to be.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I really liked Kuro, because his fight was situated in such a way that Cat out of the Bag looks really loving radical when he starts tearing up the shore side with his claws. He also just did not give a drat after a certain point and just wantonly killed his own men, it was pretty stellar.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Kuro was such a good fuckin villain and then Arlong happened and it was just kept getting better.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Idk, Cat Out of the Bag always felt One Piece enough to me. It's not a particularly threatening name but neither is Black Cat Pirates and that's why Kuro is really great.


Amorphous Blob posted:

Kuro is arguably the scariest character in the whole series ignoring scale of threat and abilities. Being the only guy without a comedic quirk must have something to do with it.

The balls on Usopp to stand up to him alone must be huge.


Yeah the other big 3 just have generic overpowered crazy mans.


When Luffy breaks his nose



God, I love East Blue so much. It is still one of my favorite parts of the series only beaten by like Alabasta and CP9.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Rigged Death Trap posted:

You all there chief?

Cuz she aint.

How?

KoB posted:

You mean like during the Fishmen Island arc? Where he was literally surrounded by water.

Oh man, I forgot that the water was more of a threat than the actual villains of Fishman Island.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Amorphous Blob posted:



I like Boa's haughtiness and it's a shame she became just another Luffy groupie.

I agree and I really liked her design too.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I think it's harder to get inside info from the manga industry because it seems more secretive and well-kept in general for whatever reason

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Asuron posted:

Zoro has some pretty cool moments coming up like Whiskey Peak and Mr 1's fight. But yeah his fights generally don't do it for me either. He always has to be handicapped in some way for the fight to even be considered even.

It's kinda why I like Skypiea so much, he gets interesting fights with both the Ohm and Braham. In fact most of the fights in that arc are pretty entertaining. Hell even Eneru vs Luffy which you'd think would be completely predictable in how it plays out is actually pretty interesting because Eneru retains the advantage with Haki and because Luffy can't actually grab the weapon to close in and land the blow.


Bad Seafood posted:

I mean, I always thought Zoro's were kinda lame and that's still true, but otherwise this has been a pretty sweet trip.

Idk, I always liked Zoro fights. He does have to be handicapped but it leads to fun stuff, imo. I really like the Mr. 1 fight where he to be in tune with steel to cut it, the Ohm fight on skypiea was fantastic and a fight that used geography and the ruins in cool ways, the Kaku fight was also a ton of fun too I felt thanks in part to the Sniper King sword. Zoro fights are pretty simple, but I still think they're really neat for the most part.

Wish there were more Usopp fights though, he's like Macguyver with his fights and it's great.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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He made it to the moon and made robot friends, I'm glad for him.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I believe Kaido's name was mentioned pretty far back. To be fair that was like two years prior to the current situation and also ages in actual chapters, so Oda probably wasn't 100% on what he'd look like at the moment.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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This chapter was really good and Usopp's bounty had me dying

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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F. Lobot posted:

Why do Caesar Clown and the Funk bros follow western naming conventions?

The naming conventions in OP are always the weirdest thing to me in general and I don't think much of a lot of them. Like Hody Jones followed the same sort of thing too and tbh Blackbeard and Whitebeard kinda have the same thing too even though their names are that way solely because of their name inspiration.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Tanjiahdo Lofulamingo

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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I hope whenever it gets around to Mihawk's fight that he's just really loving strong and that's it

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Kaido is just mega huge from doing so many push-ups

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Darth Walrus posted:

I'd assume that as a given. I mean, Zoro is walking his path, for a start.

I know and this is what I think it'll end up being which is cool, because I've been waiting forever for Mihawk to do a thing and the day it happens I will be there for the Viz release of it

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Did Ryuma not have a devil fruit? It's been a while since I've read Thriller Bark but I thought some swordsmen here and there did have fruit powers. I mean I wanna say Daz Bones, but that dude is an actual sword man so I don't think he counts.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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That's right, I should probably reread One Piece so I can remember things, but I'd end up collecting the Viz stuff to do that which would take a while.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Rigged Death Trap posted:

Well theres the model: Daibutsu fruit.
Maybe Kaido has the Model: Fudo fruit.

That would be really cool actually.


Nope: All of the characters that use swords and have a devil fruit use their fruit powers much more than their sword(s), Kaku excluded but that was just him trying to show up Zoro at his own game.

Hm, that's actually pretty cool

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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If he doesn't want to be called a sword man then maybe he shouldn't be made of swords

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Cipher Pol 9 posted:

People like to say "I hope Person A is just really strong instead of having a Devil Fruit." But why is that inherently more interesting?

This is a Shonen Battle Manga. Even if a person doesn't have a fruit, they're still going to have a gimmick to try and make the fight more entertaining to watch than just a slugfest. I don't think Shanks has a fruit either, but I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed if he did because he needs something to set him apart from the other swordsman and punchmen when and if his first actual battle ever happens.

Because a character powerful through their own merits of training their human body in a series where several characters have had their bodies altered through a magical fruit is more interesting once in a while. There will always be a gimmick, but there's something to be said for a character who can cut ships in half and wreck a dude with a small dagger and this is solely through his own natural abilities that he trained than his body being made of needles because he found a pear. I don't mind devil fruit users, I sort of don't like that they became as large as they did in numbers, but Oda's made some unique and interesting ones so it stopped bothering me pretty quickly. Like at the end of the day all I want is a cool fight, but characters that manage to keep up with the cast without needing the things those characters need are really cool.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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That is the basis for a lot of martial arts manga, yes.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Bobobo is really good I agree

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Niddhogg posted:

Everything you liked about these fights happened because someone had a fruit or a gimmick. I think people say they want more characters who are "just strong" because they like the idea but in practice it would just end up dragging.

No it isn't. The reason the Kaku fight is fun is because the fight is well constructed in several ways. Gimmicks are fun, but if the fight isn't handled well then it's not enjoyable, as it should be obvious. I like a lot of Zoro fights because he has to fight past gimmicks that are beyond himself to do so and yes it is really loving cool when the dude cuts through steel because he can hear the breath of all things. Of course poo poo like Hachi is whatever, because at no point is he really even a threat, Zoro's just injured, but that's barely even a significant fight. The Sanji and Bon Clay fight is more of what I'm talking about, sort of. Bon Clay's only gimmick during the fight is his tipped slippers, the devil fruit is really just used for a gag. The fight has a lot of them just beating the poo poo out of each other in increasingly elaborate sequences and it's fun.

Not every fight needs to be that of course, but once in a while it's fine.


SyntheticPolygon posted:

It's going to be really cool when Zoro and Mihawk fight even though they have no special powers and are just really goddamn strong.

Edit: Also, Zoro fights are really good because he is a bloody mess by the end of them and it owns.

I'm still waiting for it. Zoro vs Mihawk is one of the things that made One Piece for me back when I started reading it and I look forward to this every new chapter.

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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

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Niddhogg posted:

Wait, how are cutting through steel and shooting lasers out of your swords NOT gimmicks anyway? What about the time he seemed to grow three heads and six arms? That's the other thing I never got about people liking "just strong" characters. They end up doing things so wacky that they might as well have fruit powers.

Also you say those fights work because Zoro had to figure out how to beat their powers, but if that's true the fact that those powers are their is what made those fights interesting in the first place.

They're not really gimmicks because it's not a core part of those characters fights after a certain point, they just become a part of their moveset. Admittedly the entire point of the Daz Bones fight is that Zoro has to learn how to cut through the steel or he dies, so yeah fair point. The Asura stuff I've never really been clear on because it's very possible that Zoro did just grow more limbs and heads, but I also thought for a while it was just an aura sort of thing because he never really did it again since then.


Gyges posted:

The idea that jumping on air, lighting yourself on fire, turning into a 3 headed Hindu god, cutting a mountain in half, controlling weather with your bo staff, or turning yourself into a cyborg are any less super powers than being made of rubber because you didn't eat a magic fruit is just dumb.

The difference is the characters in those power sets are all under different conditions except Zoro and Sanji who are freaks of nature even as far as some devil fruit users can go.

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