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ninjewtsu posted:I mostly just want to watch a well animated fight scene over any kind of plot or writing. I don't know what idea is really being communicated in a contextless fight scene, I think desire for a visual spectacle is a little different from a desire for a well constructed story Good visual spectacle tells a story, because the people fighting do it in a way that represents them, even if they are nameless and faceless mooks. There is also an ebb and flow to good action scenes that keeps them tense and engaging and is very much the kind of thing you have to think about to come up with and to appreciate it fully, rather than being senseless action that happens at random. Basically you can't have good action without good writing, even if the only good writing itself is in the action, it is still good writing. GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Exactly. A good action scene is good precisely because it conveys information well. That's why I'm dubious toward any show that relies very heavily on dialogue to tell you how 'deep' it is. Like Madoka or Evangelion, although both have visual stuff that makes up for it.
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Sep 26, 2015 16:00
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Dialogue is not "telling". Monologues are "telling", and those aren't bad either.
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Sep 26, 2015 18:24
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So what's the deal on Macross 2? Is it really that bad?
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boom boom boom posted:So what's the deal on Macross 2? Is it really that bad? I loved Super Dimension Fortress Macross but I couldn't get through the first ten minutes of Macross 2.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:09
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It's not really terrible and has a cool soundtrack by the same guy that did the music for Evangelion, but it's just kind of there. It got ejected from the 'official' time line because Shoji Kawamori had nothing to do with it and kind of owned the storyline by the time Plus and 7 came around.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:09
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I remember liking the Macross 2 movie when I was a teenager when it came on HBO but I haven't seen it since. Is it better to just skip the series and watch that?
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Sep 27, 2015 01:10
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I've never seen the movie but the series is only like 6 30 minute episodes so it's not the hugest time investment anyway.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:16
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Macross 2 isn't bad but it's quite bland and plays it way too safe, so in a way that's kinda worse than being bad. Unmemorable, is the term I'd use to describe it I suppose.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:20
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But it stars Bryan Cranston
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Sep 27, 2015 01:42
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No that's Plus.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:45
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Musics cool though and has that big band sound Sagisu often adds to his soundtracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHFUGs5EdoE Very Evangelion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGItOnV1iY
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Srice posted:No that's Plus. The klisting for the DVD on Amazon says he's in Maross 2 too.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:47
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Point me to who was talking poo poo about nono because I ain't reading all those words.
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Sep 27, 2015 01:58
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Problems are solved through action, and I've got a hell of a lot of action to work through. *cracks knuckles*
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Sep 27, 2015 01:59
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Sharkopath posted:Problems are solved through action, and I've got a hell of a lot of action to work through. It's only four pages in the thread, you can probably handle it.
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Sep 27, 2015 02:14
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It's kind of sad that Macross 2 and Plus were actually released in English thanks to some legal loophole but none of the other Macross series can use that anymore.
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Sep 27, 2015 02:18
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gently caress Harmony Gold so much
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wielder posted:It's kind of sad that Macross 2 and Plus were actually released in English thanks to some legal loophole but none of the other Macross series can use that anymore. Weren't legal issues with Macross the only thing keeping Super Robot Wars Alpha from getting an official English release as well?
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Sep 27, 2015 02:20
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With all of the rights issues you'd have to get through for any SRW title that sounds like one of those "I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy who read it on the internet" sorta things. I've never seen anything approaching a trustworthy source for that.
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Midjack posted:It's only four pages in the thread, you can probably handle it. I could beat up everybody in the thread and the world would be better for it, but that's a lot of effort.
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Sep 27, 2015 02:52
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Although it would be cooler if everybody said what you personally found appealing about the wider concept of Big piloted robots at its core, and then we can try to find the commonalities. Robot science.
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Sep 27, 2015 02:56
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I will destroy you with my muscles that could only have been gained by watching years of robot anime
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Sep 27, 2015 02:59
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I've never really thought about why robots are cool before. I think maybe it's because it's like a superpower but not. Like, it's a military machine, not different from a tank or a jeep, but suddenly the character is fifty feet tall and can smash buildings But at the same time they aren't super heroes? so basically, it makes the character capable of incredible feats and a powerful, imposing presence, but without being silly? As ridiculous as it sounds to call giant robots not silly. Amuro can single handedly save the White Base and all the people on it, but at the same time remain the dumb weak kid.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:00
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Although I guess that's actually robot philosophy, to ask what is robot.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:01
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my like of robots would've probably started with G Gundam, which had really strange but unique design and Imagawa's usual theatrics. when i actually started to explore the genre, it appealed to me in a similar vein as any other action show, because cool stuff and explosions happen. there's also the fact that the robot heyday seemed to be more in the 70's and 80's, both decades with a lot of burgeoning talent and certain styles/limitations that i really have grown to love.
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boom boom boom posted:I've never really thought about why robots are cool before. I think maybe it's because it's like a superpower but not. Like, it's a military machine, not different from a tank or a jeep, but suddenly the character is fifty feet tall and can smash buildings But at the same time they aren't super heroes? so basically, it makes the character capable of incredible feats and a powerful, imposing presence, but without being silly? As ridiculous as it sounds to call giant robots not silly. Amuro can single handedly save the White Base and all the people on it, but at the same time remain the dumb weak kid. pretty much this yeah functionally giant robots do the same thing as superheroes but superheroes are usually very idealized, larger than life people who can seem a little beyond human, whereas giant robots are just things, that can break and malfunction, controlled by some teenager who only even saw the thing the other day and thinks he's hot poo poo plus usually they're presented in an almost reasonable way that almost makes it sound like an actual thing that could happen even if the science behind it is nonsense (hi mi name is a 70s robot and i'm powered by magnets because that's what the toy does) the 'random teenager ends up in a doom gundam' plot happens a lot for a reason, because it sounds like it could happen to us, even though if you or I tried to commandeer a tank and be a bigshot, we'd probably end up on trial for war crimes and thrown in jail lol ...to be honest though, I'd like to see a show where big robots are explicitly a specialist role in warfare, like, SAM carriers or anti-tank defenses, instead of big mainstays. I think Dougram does something like that, with lots of combined arms stuff?
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in other news, i really like aquarion logos' op and am sad next ep it's going to be replaced with something terrible because anime ...seriously what's up with that, why do anime ops (and to a lesser extent eds) always change to worse and worse songs? Only exceptions I can really think of are like ZZ Gundam, maybe the first Aquarion...Argevollen kiiiinda? Though I'm also gradually warming up to Lagrange's second one...it's still really hard to beat Try Unite though Gyra_Solune fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Sep 27, 2015 03:15
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I tried to write up a thing about how I think giant robots are well equipped to explore certain sets of themes, but I realized that in almost all my examples the giant robots had nothing to do with it
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Sep 27, 2015 03:23
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For example, the scene in Dougram where a father and son on opposing sides of the war come together and affirm their love for one another as human beings is way more important to demonstrating the themes of the show than any of the battles, save one.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:27
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I've always liked the idea that the pilot riding around inside the robot mirrors that of the soul riding around inside the body. In just about every mecha show there's a scene where the pilot opens the door to have a heart-to-hear conversation with another pilot.
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GorfZaplen posted:I tried to write up a thing about how I think giant robots are well equipped to explore certain sets of themes, but I realized that in almost all my examples the giant robots had nothing to do with it I fell out of robots anime because I realized this eventually also. Originally I was really attached to them because robots are power fantasy. They are power fantasy with a physical and prominent manifestation of that power inherent to the design, like a knight's suit of armor the object by itself is a physical display of power. Unlike knights and other power fantasy where the ability to wield power comes from birth or experience and education, robots are more egalitarian. In theory anybody can operate the machine, its an empty shell that can be filled by your will. That transferable aspect of power is similar to the attractiveness of power held by a gun. Its a simple tool that can level a complicated playing field. That aspect was really attractive to me as a child and a minority, a double whammy of feeling powerless in a complicated world. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Sep 27, 2015 03:33
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Now I just listen to fetty wap on endless loop and read shoujo manga, cause I dont give a hoot.
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I like space colonies and WILL NEVER GORW OUT OF POWER FANTASIESSharkopath posted:I fell out of robots anime because I realized this eventually also. same but w/o minority part because im actually insanely priveleged also robot anime tends to have interesting settings which is alluring to me because i love escapism muike fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Sep 27, 2015 03:36
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space colonies are definitely cool
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I think a lot of what attracts me to the genre isn't the robots themselves (although there are plenty of cool ones) but more that it's a genre that is an original work an overwhelming majority of the time, instead of being an adaption.
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Sharkopath posted:I fell out of robots anime because I realized this eventually also. I'm not sure how to word it, but this post resonates really strongly with me. Thank you.
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Also I am only human, and will admit that while seeing people driven mad when 2 Gundams were airing at the same time was kinda amusing, it did in some ways break my spirit. I still enjoy a lot of the genre tho.
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There's an insane amount of original content being put out like all the time but it's overshadowed by marketing. Also robot anime is really incredible self referential and derivative of earlier works. I think part of this is related to the death of the classic sci-fi anime with super detailed hand drawn spaceships and stuff, but there's definitely an adaptation within the industry that still allows for creative teams to make things that are interesting and engaging without, however, sadly, my preferred kind of stuff
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Oh yeah absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that there isn't, but rather that when it's a mecha show it makes it easy to filter out that it's almost certainly an original work and not an adaption.
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