The 1960s Anime Simulwatch

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Davincie: Jul 7, 2008

his first scene was cute but the voice didn't do him any favors during the movie

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:37

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Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

I wonder if Miyamoto ever saw this movie as a kid.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:42

Sephiroth_IRA: Mar 31, 2010

Well the little prince is really loving good.

Violet_Sky posted:

I wonder if Miyamoto ever saw this movie as a kid.

I was thinking the same thing, also genndy tartakovsky.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:51

Sephiroth_IRA: Mar 31, 2010

Violet_Sky posted:

The triangles in the Crystal Ball remind me of a proto-triforce. Am I the only one who likes the rabbit character?

I like him too.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:52

Parallax: Jan 14, 2006

I thought the animation was kinda flat at times and the different events didn't together all too well, but I liked it overall. You can definitely see the more modern style in some scenes more than others, like the dance scene or the sword fight with the Fire God.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:57

Parallax: Jan 14, 2006

The cat in the opening of Sally looks exactly like early design Tom from Tom and Jerry

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:58

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

dance sequence owned and Fire God owned

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:58

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Children love cake and hate fish bones.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 02:59

Parallax: Jan 14, 2006

If anybody wants a good book on older anime, Anime: The History by Jonathan Clements is pretty good. He doesn't even get to Astro Boy until halfway through the book, so there's a lot on older anime.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 03:02

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

Parallax posted:

If anybody wants a good book on older anime, Anime: The History by Jonathan Clements is pretty good. He doesn't even get to Astro Boy until halfway through the book, so there's a lot on older anime.

Anyone know if this is available in e-book form?

e: Dragon looks pretty cool

Violet_Sky fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Oct 6, 2015

# ? Oct 6, 2015 03:24

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

Aw poo poo, the poor dragon head.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 03:34

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

I'm glad people enjoyed the film!

In Training posted:

I watched the first episode of Sally the Witch and while its neat to see a little artifact from the period I wouldn't want to watch another episode.

It's the most kids show of all the shows I picked. I originally picked it to have a light hearted show to balance out the other two television anime I picked, before I switched to chronological order.

Sephiroth_IRA posted:

Well the little prince is really loving good.

I was thinking the same thing, also genndy tartakovsky.

I definitely know Genndy saw it, and the aesthetic similarities between Wind Waker and Little Prince probably aren't coincidence, although I've never seen any official confirmation.

Also, hello.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 04:22

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Sally the Witch owns

Cub hates children

# ? Oct 6, 2015 04:33

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

GorfZaplen posted:

I definitely know Genndy saw it, and the aesthetic similarities between Wind Waker and Little Prince probably aren't coincidence, although I've never seen any official confirmation.

Not gonna lie, I kept hearing the Zelda puzzle solved jingle in my head while watching this.

Watching Sally the Witch now. But wasn't Princess Knight the first ever shojo anime?

Violet_Sky fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Oct 6, 2015

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:11

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

What's up with Yo-chan's face?

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:19

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Violet_Sky posted:

Not gonna lie, I kept hearing the Zelda puzzle solved jingle in my head while watching this.

Watching Sally the Witch now. But wasn't Princess Knight the first ever shojo anime?

Even though the Princess Knight manga came first, it didn't get an anime until 1967, and Sally's anime started in 66.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:22

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

I don't remember the first episode of Sally being so...slidey.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:26

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

Weird looking robbers.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:29

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

Did they just play the funeral march when the two robbers walked out of the elevator? :stare:

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:47

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Violet_Sky posted:

Did they just play the funeral march when the two robbers walked out of the elevator?

Yeah it owns

Like Tom and Jerry but less racist

# ? Oct 6, 2015 05:58

Srice: Sep 11, 2011

GorfZaplen posted:

I don't remember the first episode of Sally being so...slidey.

If it's the youtube I remember watching back when I first checked it out, I think that was when youtube had their thing to correct for camera movement

Which uh, works fine for amateur filming of something happening live, but for anything else, particularly animated, it is horrible.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 14:50

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Srice posted:

If it's the youtube I remember watching back when I first checked it out, I think that was when youtube had their thing to correct for camera movement

Which uh, works fine for amateur filming of something happening live, but for anything else, particularly animated, it is horrible.

lol, that's terrible.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 14:57

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Srice posted:

If it's the youtube I remember watching back when I first checked it out, I think that was when youtube had their thing to correct for camera movement

Which uh, works fine for amateur filming of something happening live, but for anything else, particularly animated, it is horrible.

Lol I thought that was just how the show looked. It's insanely disorienting.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 16:57

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Oh poo poo, give me a moment to write up a post.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 22:51

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Let's watch at 9 PM EST, or in two and a half hours!!

Sabu and Ichi's Detective Tales

There were three major studios in the 60s; Toei-Doga, who produced original family films and adapted loads and loads of manga, Tatsunoko Production which produced original and adapted television anime, and Mushi Production. Mushi Production as Osamu Tezuka's animation studio, which produced shows based on his manga as well as original experimental material just for the hell of it. Osamu Tezuka wanted to push anime and manga into the adult demographic in order to compete with the adult oriented Gekiga and Kamishibai, so early adult oriented anime is mostly made by Mushi Pro.

Sabu and Ichi is a period drama based on the manga by Shotaro Ishinomori. It is about two policemen, the young Sabu and the zatoichi Ichi, who solve crime and try to fight injustice in Edo era Japan. It is particularly focused on the struggles of working class Japanese of the era. I've decided to use episodes 2 and 3 only for the simulwatch, since three episodes is a lot with a movie. Episode 7 is still extremely good though, and I urge you to check it out. I'm skipping episode 1 because it's not a particularly good introduction to the series in my opinion. There's no mystery and it is extremely brutal and nearly put me off watching the show.

The show was directed by the legendary Rintaro (Metropolis, Galaxy Express 999).

Just a warning: Sabu and Ichi is poorly animated in a way you're probably not ready for. I have no idea if it was an intentional decision or if it was because of the tight budgets Mushi Pro was often given to work with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrdZ-9N_Ewg Episode 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoN47SZ2nEc Episode 3

Horus, Prince of the Sun

I'll confess I've never seen this anime, and this will be my first time viewing it. I know little about it, so instead I'll let this huge essay I found on bakabt explain the film:

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I think that in order to fully appreciate this movie, it helps to understand the context in which it was made. Through the late 50s and early 60s, Toei Doga concerned itself mainly with lavishly animated feature films in an attempt to be a sort of "Disney of the East." In 1963, after the massive success of Astro Boy from Osamu Tezuka's rival studio proved that cheaply produced animation for TV could be much more profitable than expensive theatrical animation, Toei began to restructure its studio. It started a TV unit that would produce shows like Wolf Boy Ken, and split its theatrical unit into two, one of which focused on the lavish features the studio had already been making, and the other producing more limited animation on a faster schedule, like the Cyborg 009 movies. Meanwhile, animators at the studio began to unionize, a movement spearheaded by animators Daikichiro Kusube and Yasuo Otsuka. Isao Takahata, then an assistant director, became vice chairman of the union. Animator Hayao Miyazaki became chief secretary. The union came to the aid of animators such as Reiko Okuyama, who after having a child with her husband and fellow animator Yoichi Kotabe, was pressured by studio execs to quit or only work freelance in order to focus on being a housewife. She refused, and the strength of the union ensured her job security. This group of artists (minus Daikichiro Kusube who had left Toei to start his own studio) formed much of the core team that would produce Horus. Toei's decision to split feature production into two units had the perhaps unforseen effect of concentrating some of the studio's most pro-union troublemakers into the same project. This group of artists must have looked at their situation, noticed the rise of TV animation and decline of feature animation, and realized they wouldn't have many more chances to create a meaningful animated masterpiece they could all be proud of, at least not at Toei.

Production on Horus began in 1965. Yasuo Otsuka, one of the studio's best animators known for his action scenes (he animated the fight between Horus and the giant fish) was selected as animation director. It was Otsuka who insisted that Isao Takahata, who had just debuted as a director on an episode of Wolf Boy Ken, direct the film. Takahata had studied French cinema in college, and viewed the job of the director as a primarily artistic role, whereas previous Toei Doga directors generally thought of their jobs as more managerial production roles. Takahata oversaw every shot, every angle, and had good reasons for the decisions he made, whereas prior Toei directors often left these decisions up to individual animators. That isn't to say that Takahata was a dictator; the film was made more or less democratically, and every artist regardless of position had the option of contributing ideas for consideration. If they were good, they might be used. Animator Hayao Miyazaki ended up contributing so many ideas that the title of "scene design" was invented for him. The atmosphere of democratic socialism in which the film was produced carried over quite obviously into the final product, with its story of villagers who must unite in the face of outside forces that seek to divide them.

Horus' political message was certainly unconventional for anime, but the film's real breakthrough was the character Hilda, who was arguably the first genuinely interesting character to emerge from the world of Japanese animation. Takahata's fluency in the language of film went above and beyond anything that had been done at Toei Doga before, a fact that is evident from the very beginning low-angle panning shot that's violently interrupted by an axe and running wolf legs. He had the ability not only to skilfully depict the external conflicts of a film world's reality, but also the internal conflicts of a character's psyche. Hilda's struggle choosing between the stability provided by obedience or the risk of uniting against tyranny for a potential shot at happiness mirrors the union's struggle with Toei execs. Her only friends are an owl and a squirrel, who simultaneously manage to be physically-existing traditional animal sidekicks and illusory manifestations of her divided conscience. She may appear to be the archetype of the "Miyazaki heroine," and the film itself may appear to be a sort of prototype for Princess Mononoke, but Miyazaki himself admits that he didn't really understand Hilda at the time. He wondered why she had to be so gloomy. Only Takahata and Hilda's animators, Yasuji Mori and Reiko Okuyama, fully understood what the character represented.

The executives at Toei percieved the Horus crew's artistic decisions, especially Takahata's visionary directing style, as resistance to their authority. When the film went over its original eight month production period (a standard schedule for a feature at the time), the producers stalled the project until they could decide whether it would be more economical to pour more money into finishing the project or to simply scrap the whole thing. Takahata was forced to make concessions. Originally intending to make a two-hour long epic, the story was reworked into 80 minutes. Ultimately, two action scenes were left unfinished, substituting dynamic animatics in place of the full animation that they didn't have the money to produce. Toei released the film with limited marketing for a theatrical run of only ten days, then used the box office failure as justification for demoting Takahata so he wouldn't work as a director at Toei again. Still, the film apparently managed to find a small audience among leftist university students, and is now (especially after the successes of Miyazaki and Takahata) considered a classic and Toei Doga's greatest film, perhaps the only animated film that can be grouped with the Japanese New Wave, perhaps the true birth of "anime" itself.

I picked it because "it was made by future Ghibli" is a pretty easy sell for some people, and because it's been on my watch list for a long time!

This film is licensed, so hopefully you ordered it ahead of time, or you can just get it from the usual places if you're a rebel.

GorfZaplen fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Oct 7, 2015

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Linnaeus: Jan 2, 2013

love that essay, makes me excited for the film

# ? Oct 7, 2015 23:43

Parallax: Jan 14, 2006

I'm glad we're doing this later. Here's another good write-up of why Horus is so important and sorta the beginning of modern anime:
http://letsanime.blogspot.com/2015/04/prince-of-sun.html

# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:53

dogsicle: Oct 23, 2012

i'm glad we're doing Horus, since i bought it and haven't downloaded the other film yet

# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:57

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

dogsicle posted:

i'm glad we're doing Horus, since i bought it and haven't downloaded the other film yet

Don't worry too much about downloading it, I'm going to try and upload Flying Phantom Ship to Youtube for future generations. It has a crazy aspect ratio though, so hopefully Youtube can handle it.

GorfZaplen fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 8, 2015

# ? Oct 8, 2015 00:59

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

What are you talking about? Sabu and Ichi isn't poorly animated, it's brilliant

It's extremely creative

# ? Oct 8, 2015 02:11

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Smoking Crow posted:

What are you talking about? Sabu and Ichi isn't poorly animated, it's brilliant

It's extremely creative

I've shown it to people who couldn't handle it before :shrug:

Anyway, I'm starting now, with Sabu and Ichi episode 2!!!

# ? Oct 8, 2015 02:23

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Sabu and Ichi has some of the best shots I've ever seen in an anime

Beautiful beautiful anime, great imagery

# ? Oct 8, 2015 02:24

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Smoking Crow posted:

Sabu and Ichi has some of the best shots I've ever seen in an anime

Beautiful beautiful anime, great imagery

I wanted to do episode 7 almost entirely because the climax is so amazingly well done.

# ? Oct 8, 2015 02:29

Smoking Crow: Feb 14, 2012; *laughs at u*

Does anyone besides Shaft use real objects in animation like this show does? It's so striking, I'm surprised more studios don't do it

# ? Oct 8, 2015 02:42

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

This episode is a really well written mystery, because there's multiple ways you can puzzle out the killer.

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:06

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

You're right, "poorly animated" is a really bad choice of words. I'm not sure how to describe it to people to prepare them for how different it is.

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:07

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

I think Rintaro might be my favorite director.

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:14

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

I'm starting Horus now...I'm excited!

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:14

GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Horus is adorable and the rock monster is super cool.

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:19

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GorfZaplen: Jan 20, 2012

Haha, Grunwald is a good villain.

"You destroyed the village and killed those people!"

"Oh, so you've heard of me!"

# ? Oct 8, 2015 03:28

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