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flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

flip your own light switches already

# ? Dec 15, 2015 15:43

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minivanmegafun: Jul 27, 2004

i am moving into a house soon and will smart home some things, like:

� did I leave my garage open like a dingus
� uh, idk, is the washing machine done?
� maybe what temperature it is somewhere?
� did my water heater flood my lower level?

yeah that's all I'm coming up with and only the first one is useful

use normal light switches and/or timers like a normal person nerds

# ? Dec 15, 2015 15:57

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

full list of valid reasons to own a smart fridge/tv/house:

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# ? Dec 15, 2015 16:20

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

Smart tv is nice, no separate box for 4k netflix or casting from phone or something

Lol at just about any other smart device

# ? Dec 15, 2015 16:24

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

but what if i need my home to look like a quake3 map?

# ? Dec 15, 2015 16:27

Peanut and the Gang: Aug 24, 2009; by exmarx

There was a smarthome light controller that was accessible to the public internet. You could click the IP in your browser and turn the lights on and off as if the house was haunted.

# ? Dec 15, 2015 20:01

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

one of my friends build a wap to x10 app controlling the lights in his apartment 15 years ago, sounds like the tech is slightly better now

# ? Dec 15, 2015 20:12

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

qirex posted:

one of my friends build a wap to x10 app controlling the lights in his apartment 15 years ago, sounds like the tech is slightly better now

my dad still uses an x10 wireless light switch with like 20 buttons on it to toggle 1 single reading light on and off.

# ? Dec 15, 2015 20:54

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

x10 is hilariously bad, good riddance

how about a wall mounted touchscreen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvTGgtY59I4

# ? Dec 15, 2015 22:29

barfdog: May 9, 2014

Sweevo posted:

full list of valid reasons to own a smart fridge/tv/house:

-

you forgot "being terminally stupid."

# ? Dec 15, 2015 22:31

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

reason to own a smart tv:

if you spend more than $400 on a television it's automatically "smart" now, even the commercial displays that cost 2x as much

# ? Dec 16, 2015 00:44

craisins: May 17, 2004; A DRIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

maniacdevnull posted:

Smart tv is nice, no separate box for 4k netflix or casting from phone or something

Lol at just about any other smart device

boy I sure do love how now my tv has an OS that can break rendering it useless.

edit: apparently dumb tvs are a thing of the past

craisins fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Dec 16, 2015

# ? Dec 16, 2015 01:06

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

cast FTW

# ? Dec 16, 2015 01:18

exe cummings: Jan 22, 2005

It's impossible not to buy a smart TV now, unfortunately

# ? Dec 16, 2015 04:13

FormatAmerica: Jun 3, 2005; Grimey Drawer

may my high-end plasma from a few years ago never die :pray:

4K will just wallow like 1080p did for a few years when 720p was "good enough" - we're gonna be fine for a while, boys.

I still love my ecobee, it says it saved me $200 - got in in march 2015. It has saved me at least that much in hassle from adjusting a loving thermostat to my whims, much more whatever it's claiming in energy efficiency.

FormatAmerica fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Dec 16, 2015

# ? Dec 16, 2015 04:35

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error1 posted:

x10 is hilariously bad, good riddance

how about a wall mounted touchscreen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvTGgtY59I4

that guy just gave me the bird

# ? Dec 16, 2015 04:40

yoloer420: May 19, 2006

Visual GNUdio posted:

I'm just going to go ahead and paste my wall of text from the last thread...

I'll shamefully admit to having a boatload of smart home things in my house.

Here's the general overall synopsis:

It's poo poo.

The biggest issue is that there's a lot of different protocols from a lot of different vendors. Historically this wasn't the case. When you bought a Leviton system, you had to pay out the rear end for everything to be Leviton branded because that's all it would work with. If you were a zillionaire you'd go w/ Crestron or Control 4 or Savant or whatever but I'm going to leave dealer installed options out of the discussion. None of this poo poo would talk to each other across systems, but when you had an all Insteon system that you bought from the one company that makes that poo poo, it'd all generally work the way you'd expect it to. It was expensive-ish and limited in capability but it worked.

Then some jackass got it in their head that the way forward was to make a hub that would control all sorts of stuff. Instead of one expensive vendor that sold a bunch of poo poo that would pretty much work together, you have vendors trying to orchestrate a mismatched shitpile of things that each individually are unreliable, so the only thing certain about the system is that at any given time some part of it is sure not to be working.

Exhibit A: I currently cannot control my home office lights with the switch on the wall. Why? A CLOUD SERVICE hosed up a couple hours ago and is misinterpreting the action that should be taken when pressing butans. It did this once before and the problem magically went away a few hours later so I'll just hang here in the dark until THE CLOUD decides to stop making GBS threads on my stupid face.

STUPID poo poo I'M CURRENTLY PUNISHING MY FAMILY WITH

6 Assorted Sonos speakers (not poo poo, Sonos own zone)

4 Harmony Hub Remotes (also pro as f)

ecobee3 smart themostat (expensive, but gently caress if it doesn't own and kicks the poo poo out of Nest)

3 Hue bulbs + 2 Hue Iris + 2 Lightstrips + a Hue Tap switch (not individually poo poo, but poo poo as a group)

GE Link bulbs (hue compatible until a couple days ago, no color change just dimming. see poo poo rating above)

Truckloads of Z-Wave dimmers and switches (individually work great, control system is still garbage)

Z-Wave and ZigBee multisensors (detects motion/temp/humidty/light. motion detect works, temp and humidity is hilariously inaccurate, have no use for light sensor)

Z-Wave door contacts (still can't quit get it to line up right on my gate, have now resulted to 3d printing a replacement magnet holder thing in order to get it to work)

Z-Wave wall scene controllers (see Exhibit A above)

Some random IP camera (mostly useless due to installation issues)

Another not-random but still garbage IP camera that Samsung gave me free to test

SmartThings hub (now with v2, still total garbage, cloud everything, read exhibit A above for why)

The Thing To Do these days is to buy one of the hubs and then buy a bunch of compatible poo poo and then hope for the best. To help you out I've created this handy list:

SmartThings - Z-Wave, Zigbee, WiFi - A Kickstarter thing later purchased by Samsung. Big money means they might stick around for a year or two. I know the most about this one because it's what I'm currently running at home. Open web-based IDE but lol it's all some hacked up version of Java called Groovy. Developer friendly platform with a lot of developers which means a bunch of shoehorning poorly programmed things together in awkward ways until you get something to work. The worst part about SmartThings is that it's all in the cloud. Every command your system receives gets sent to the cloud for processing. Want to turn on a light? Press button, wait for it to go to cloud, decide what should be done, packet is sent back to the hub and only then does the hub go and do something. It might turn on right away or it might turn on in 5 seconds or never. It's like a roulette wheel of fun for everything you do!

MiCasaVerde line - Z-Wave, WiFi - These guys have a few different models. The newest model is cloud based (see above) but the rest handle processing locally. Fully scriptable by the user with Lua. By all accounts the development environment is an ever changing target and generally a mess to work with. A new OS (UI7) has been in beta for nearly a year and it's still a mess. Upgrades are painful and break everything. Device support is spotty and often spread across UI releases, so your garage door opener requires UI7 but your thermostat will only work with UI6.

Revolv hub - Z-Wave, WiFi, Insteon - This looked like a very promising device with loads of radios and powerful hardware so a bunch of people bought them and then... Google bought the company, shut everything down and bailed on all the users. Rumor has it they were after a couple of the RF engineers and bought the company just to get them to work on their next Nest thing. Get used to this story. Spend hundreds (thousands) of dollars on a home automation system only to have all support disappear one day in a headhunting exercise.

OpenHab - Z-Wave, WiFi - OpenHab is a linux thing that lets you turn a PC into a hub of sorts. It can interface with other hubs to let you control Insteon and some older protocols. To my knowledge there's no ZigBee binding working yet. In general, the platform is linux as gently caress, poorly supported by a bunch of german neckbeards. The standard UI comes straight out of IOS 2. Like most things lunix all support happens by way of a mailing list that's nearly unusable. There's also a forum for support, but it's all in german. Good luck with this option.

Staples Connect, Wink Hub, Lowes Iris, PEQ - Assorted poo poo, typically some combination of Z-Wave, ZigBee, and WiFi - Home Depot and Lowes and fuckin Staples don't want to be left out in the cold (that's for dumb homes) so they either bought or partnered with somebody to get in on the hot hot action. Some of these are bad, some are OK. All of them are closed systems so they support whatever they support and that's the end of the list. Hopefully Staples or whomever doesn't get out of the home automation business because if they do you're hosed, there is zero way to interact with their system except through their app, and there's no good way for third parties to interface their things with these hubs. Update: in the 6 months since I wrote this, Wink has already gone out of business and PEQ is nearly there. LOL at all of these things.

Google Nest - WiFi, Thread - Nest was just going to be a new thermostat but they hit the market at the right time and everyone went bananas for smart poo poo so Google scoops them up for $3B before Apple gets around to it. Nest came out with their second product after the Google buyout and I think everyone knows how well the smoke alarm thing is doing. It's presumed that Google is going to extend the Nest to be a hub of some flavor but haven't really laid out what that is going to look like. My advice? Get an ecobee3, it's the same price but with loads more features and is generally less poo poo. It might be the one SMART THING in my house that gives me zero problems, it does what it's supposed to and I don't have to touch it ever. Plus it gives me fancy charts like this and this and I fuckin love me some charts.

Apple HomeKit - Bluetooth 4LE, WiFi - Not actually A Thing yet but the SDK has been released so we know what to expect. The choice of protocols is odd (more on protocols later). WiFi is what you think, but there is no low-power way to do WiFi, so unless you like changing batteries on your door contact sensor every other day you need something else. In this case, it's BT4LE. BT4 is nice, secure, and definitely low power, but it also has no mesh capability and is fairly short range so you're going to need to buy a bunch of Apple HomeKit Hubs (probably ATV3 or something like it) and hook them up all over your house. This is only stupid because there are low-power mesh protocols like Z-Wave and ZigBee that don't require any of that poo poo but lol Apple. Home Automation Done Right typically involves opening electrical boxes and sticking your fingers in places where your average Apple user shouldn't be sticking fingers, so it'll be interesting to see how they approach things like switches and other hardwired applications. You currently can't do anything with HomeKit but I expect they'll at least force the market to get their poo poo together... maybe. edit: it's nearly a year since Apple announced all their poo poo would be available, and still very little has shipped and very little has been said by Apple. Homekit is even worse than I expected and anybody who buys into it as a platform is a fool.

OK let's talk about home automation protocols for a minute. In order to turn your fat fuckin finger pushin' into light switchin' you need some way for the signal to get from the fattie (you) to the light. In many cases this may actually be a combination of different protocols. In no particular order, here's what you're likely to be dealing with:

X10 X10 is a combination powerline and wireless protocol that is now 40 years old. It's unreliable, it's totally unsecured, and it's generally a mess. This is how things used to get done back in the day if you were poor but decided you needed wireless light switches for some reason. X10 has a huge installed base of customers who surely regret the decision at this point and has probably been pulled out of the wall already. Don't buy anything X10.

Insteon Insteon is a Smartlabs technology that mixes mesh and powerline communications. True to it's name it offers relatively low latency and is reasonably secure. If you're stupid and own a bunch of X10 crap, Insteon also offers backward compatibility to control X10 devices. Insteon probably would have seen wider support had Smartlabs been a little looser with the licensing, but as of today almost everything that is Insteon compatible is made by Smartlabs and they just don't have the money or momentum to push it any further. Insteon isn't a bad protocol, but it's owned by a company that can't hack it against Google or Apple or Samsung and the like. They've recently started inking a bunch of deals trying to change that, but it hasn't exactly caught on and everyone has moved on to something else.

WiFi WiFi is what it is. There is no good way to handle WiFi in a low power setting, so you can pretty well count out any battery operated devices utilizing WiFi unless you're OK with recharging them every day. That might work OK for a tablet, but isn't going to work very well for a door lock. WiFi doesn't specify layer 7, so hope that whatever you're buying has a well documented and supported API or you're going to be dealing with a bunch of incompatibilities and kludgey hacks to get things talking to each other. WiFi is best used for devices that can stand on their own with some local processing power and web UI (light switches=no, IP cameras=yes). Finally, WiFi needs to be setup somehow meaning the device has some way to handle input locally (a display and keyboard), a wired connection option, or you'll have to run some sort of app along side to get the thing up and running on your network (Chromecast/Sonos/Harmony/etc).

Z-Wave Z-Wave is a low power wireless mesh network developed by ZenSys and now owned by Sigma. That means that every Z-Wave chip needs to be purchased from Sigma which carries the license with it. Z-Wave is secured via AES encryption and is in widespread use for security systems (including modern ADT installations). They have a pretty well defined application layer and device description standards, so if you buy a Z-Wave controller it will almost certainly work with all Z-Wave lights without too much loving about. Same is largely true for not-lights (contact sensors, motion sensing, locks, doors, etc). Z-Wave is probably the most robust of the existing standards and has the widest range of compatible devices. The license encumbrance is a problem for some of the major players, so don't expect to see Apple or Google jumping on the bandwagon because Sigma owns the core protocol implementation.

ZigBee ZigBee is another low power wireless mesh network standard but published as a fully open standard. As a result there are loads of vendors with physical layer ZigBee chipsets available. The trouble with ZigBee is that until very recently there has been zero standardization of the application layer. For example, while Creston uses ZigBee for wireless control, you cannot interface to Crestron devices through other ZigBee devices as they aren't at all compatible. There is now a reasonably well-standardized spec for ZigBee lights (Light Link) that only saw adoption after Philips released Hue. Finally, ZigBee is the low power champion. The Hue light switch thing, while being crap, is interesting in that it is able to send ZigBee commands using the power generated from the user pressing the button alone. No batteries required. That's seriously low power. Expect to see more ZigBee in the future, but I wouldn't invest much into it right now until the application layer standards are worked out.

Bluetooth 4LE Bluetooth 4LE is bluetooth as you'd expect but with significantly reduced power requirements for low bandwidth communications. BT4LE is already in widespread use for low power applications like the fitbit poo poo you see fat spergs wearing everywhere. The thing about BT4LE is that it doesn't support mesh, so everything needs to be within ~100ft of a BT4LE hub (or gateway) for it to work. Like WiFi there is no standard application stack on top so p much anything goes. Apple is pushing this poo poo hard because their phones and ATV already work with it. I don't like the lack of mesh networking but otherwise BT4LE has a lot going for it.

Other stuff:
Thread Essentially IP over ZigBee, currently only used by Nest/Google.

KNX Older standard used entirely by dirty europeans.

OIC 3 giant companies got together to create a new IoT wireless standard in 2014, and one has already bailed on the project. I don't expect to see an actual thing with OIC on the market ever. edit: lol, yup. This is dead as heck. Get used to this sort of thing.

Smart lights vs smart switches
There's a lot of talk about Hue because Philips was the first major company to offer a straightforward way to control lights with your phone. I have 7 Hue lights of one flavor or another plus a couple GE Link bulbs that are (edit: "used to be") compatible but without color change (so dimming only). A Hue set comes with a bridge that will bridge wired ethernet to ZigBee (note "WiFi" isn't on this list, despite Philips selling these as WiFi Connected Bulbs). There are apps from Philips and third parties for most platforms. These talk to the hub, the hub sends commands over ZigBee to your lights.

Here's the problem with smart lights: they are plugged into your existing light socket, and that socket has a light switch at the other side. You plug in, turn on the switch, and you can get it paired to your hub pretty easy and take over. Wheee, I can change light colors from my phone! What fun! OK now turn off that switch, the light turns off like you'd expect. Now grab your phone and ... AWWWWW, you can't control poo poo because you've cut the power to the lights. Smart Lights become dumb not-lights once you turn the switch off. This doesn't sound like a big deal but it sucks in practice. You either a) leave all your light switches on and then try and fumble around for a goddamn cell phone every time you walk into a room, or b) use the switches and now you can't turn on lights without the switch and you should have just bought a regular goddamn bulb.

Philips recognized this problem and has solved it with a horrible wall switch thing that you stick on to your wall. It's interesting in that it uses the force of you pressing the button to actually power the device (so no batteries), but it feels clunky and cheap and isn't what a person would expect to interact with on the wall to turn on lights. If you're a shut-in with no friends or guests then I guess it's OK, but people have expectations around how switches work, and smart lights and the Philips Tap do nothing to address this. Edit: I actually now own one of these. It works pretty reliably but integrates with nothing apart from other Hue lights. Still probably wouldn't recommend, but useful for this one narrow case.

A better solution is to replace your existing wall switches with "smart" switches (Z-Wave currently, maybe Insteon if you like dead ends or someday maybe ZigBee). You can get a switch for ~$34 (practically free in the Smart Home world), replace your existing switch, and now the lights controlled by that switch work just like they used to, but have the added ability to be controlled from elsewhere via your hub. If your hub shits the bed, no problem the switch works locally just as you'd expect. No, you don't get fancy changy colors, but you get a light that turns on every time and doesn't involve fumbling for your cell phone.

That is a lot of words you have there.

I'm considering the alternate option of buying some old SCADA gear off ebay and writing a frontend tot he modbus controller thingyo.

Do you have any thoughts on this?

# ? Dec 16, 2015 07:44

Visual GNUdio: Aug 27, 2003

yoloer420 posted:

That is a lot of words you have there.

I'm considering the alternate option of buying some old SCADA gear off ebay and writing a frontend tot he modbus controller thingyo.

Do you have any thoughts on this?

My thoughts are that it's your time to waste. It can probably get some subset of the job done for way more time and material than it ever should take, and you're left to completely re-create the wheel that's been made a thousand times already.

Sounds like a programmer's approach to the problem: I'LL JUST EBAY SOME PARTS AND WRITE UP MY OWN VERSION, and then act surprised when the entire endeavor turns out to be garbage.

# ? Dec 16, 2015 15:55

Visual GNUdio: Aug 27, 2003

Looks like Philips have backed off from their previous direction of blocking non-partner ZLL bulbs via their recent firmware upgrade: http://www.developers.meethue.com/comment/1157#comment-1157

# ? Dec 16, 2015 15:56

yoloer420: May 19, 2006

Visual GNUdio posted:

My thoughts are that it's your time to waste. It can probably get some subset of the job done for way more time and material than it ever should take, and you're left to completely re-create the wheel that's been made a thousand times already.

Sounds like a programmer's approach to the problem: I'LL JUST EBAY SOME PARTS AND WRITE UP MY OWN VERSION, and then act surprised when the entire endeavor turns out to be garbage.

Hrm. I will consider this. The reason I was planning this option was that SCADA gear for the most part uses well known protocols for which frontends exist and are widely available for almost every platform. The idea of having to do constant bug fixes to my lovely ladder logic constantly so I can use the dish washer seems a bit poo poo. So I think you're dead right with this message.

The problem described in your post of everything talking different proprietary protocols and not being interoperable at all was what I was attempting to avoid. One HMI to manage everything seemed attractive here.

I don't want to get stuck with six controllers because my garage door can't talk to my lights though

it would also be nice if they spoke an open protocol which isn't clouded, so I can interface with it.

Maybe I should just wait it out a bit longer. Rather than try it the SCADA way and end up having to ssh into a box whenever I want to turn the lights on in the toilet.

yoloer420 fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Dec 16, 2015

# ? Dec 16, 2015 16:42

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

more like fart homes

# ? Dec 16, 2015 17:29

Visual GNUdio: Aug 27, 2003

Sniep posted:

more like fart homes

# ? Dec 16, 2015 17:31

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

honest question: is any of this "automation" and its attendant pain and misery actually solving anything that isn't solved by not being a lazy gently caress and using the light switch on the wall or placing your key in the lock and turning?

# ? Dec 16, 2015 17:32

Jenny Agutter: Mar 18, 2009

quote:

When it works, it's awesome. We bought one when we moved to a new condo, and even had a closet built with a cutout to fit the device. Cat drops a deuce, Cat Genie scoops out deuce, grinds it into a slush and pumps it into your toilet. Easy!

Until it fucks up, and it will. I'm not sure how this guy just wound up with toasted turds. Ours wound up getting cat hair clogged in the pump impeller roughly once every 2-4 weeks. Then I'd get the pleasure of tearing apart a machine full of liquefied cat poo poo to get at the pump and pull out whatever clumps of cat hair and cat poo poo I could get my fingers on, all while immersed in liquid cat poo poo. It was a deeply unpleasant experience and after a year or so of this we gave up because nobody could take it anymore and we'd rather scoop poops twice a day then deal with the clogged up Cat Genie again.

# ? Dec 16, 2015 18:01

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

infernal machines posted:

honest question: is any of this "automation" and its attendant pain and misery actually solving anything that isn't solved by not being a lazy gently caress and using the light switch on the wall or placing your key in the lock and turning?

i guess if you have dexterity trouble or walking to the lightswitch trouble pushing a button can be better but that's a lot of edges in one case

# ? Dec 16, 2015 18:16

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

goal: iron man's house from the kids movies with the guy with the foot jets

reality:

# ? Dec 16, 2015 18:20

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

MOACEGIK

# ? Dec 16, 2015 18:22

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

i guess if you have dexterity trouble or walking to the lightswitch trouble pushing a button can be better but that's a lot of edges in one case

well yeah, but even that assumes this stuff works a lot better than it obviously does, someone with mobility issues isn't going to be loving around with their z-wave controller in the dark when the lights fail to boot

# ? Dec 16, 2015 18:24

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

I wanted to demonstrate my cool nerdy home to a coworker today and shouted "hey siri, turn on the coffee machine!" into my apple watch, unfortunately siri only heard "turn on"

...which resulted in siri turning on loving EVERYTHING, including opening my garage door remotely

:downs:

# ? Dec 16, 2015 20:01

Tangra: May 1, 2008; Rrrreligion?

It's the catnip of the purrrrrrrrletariat

Mad about your ?

Re: smart TVs and the inability of buying a dumb tv - buy the panel replacement part and build your own dumb tv, come on yospos

Then mount that poo poo in a classy painting frame and morph slowly from classic painting to classic painting, with the occasional goatse when friends are over.

# ? Dec 16, 2015 20:08

maniacdevnull: Apr 18, 2007; FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

error1 posted:

I wanted to demonstrate my cool nerdy home to a coworker today and shouted "hey siri, turn on the coffee machine!" into my apple watch, unfortunately siri only heard "turn on"

...which resulted in siri turning on loving EVERYTHING, including opening my garage door remotely

Smart home, dumb user!

# ? Dec 16, 2015 20:11

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

or just stop buying a consumer tv and pay the small premium for a commercial display

# ? Dec 16, 2015 20:11

craisins: May 17, 2004; A DRIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

Sniep posted:

or just stop buying a consumer tv and pay the small premium for a commercial display

things no one does for 600, alex

# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:46

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

craisins posted:

things no one does for 600, alex

why not? they aren't that much more, and if you want to avoid smart tv computerguts that's what you have to do, now.

# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:52

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

because it's marginally more effort than just walking into best buy and buying whatever pos has the most saturated colour demo

# ? Dec 17, 2015 02:09

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

you mean something like http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1062468-REG/samsung_ed40d_ed_d_series_40_full.html

# ? Dec 17, 2015 02:24

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

ya, exactly.

they aren't as UNDER 1" THIN or CURVED but they are built to last turned on 24/7/365 for years

# ? Dec 17, 2015 02:27

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

i feel weird buying a tv sight-unseen (from a trusted video source not their eleventy-gently caress split pixar colour vomit) even though i've never been anywhere that isn't a tv store, looked at a display and said to myself 'gee this colour reproduction is only a 7/10 and there's some slight tearing at motion that's really distracting'

you could put basically anything on my wall and i'd be happy with it (used to it) inside of a week probably

# ? Dec 17, 2015 02:36

Wild EEPROM: Jul 29, 2011; oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.

more like shart houses

# ? Dec 17, 2015 08:16

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Syncopated: Oct 21, 2010

Wild EEPROM posted:

more like shart houses

# ? Dec 17, 2015 15:29

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