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Lord Of Texas
Dec 26, 2006

Cuntpunch posted:

As a comparison, despite the agile suggested recognition that pointless wastes of time are pointless, we continue to do standup for approximately 15 minutes each day where the only thing anyone pays any attention to is whether its their turn to spout some words.

If no one pays any attention the problem might be that
-- some/most of the people aren't really doing anything of value to the greater team
-- the lead is letting people drone on too long
-- your team is too goddamn big and needs to be broken down.

I've seen all of them, but a well-run standup with 8-12 people is really really valuable and will fetter out issues (even if it's as simple as "hey you're working on the same thing as I am") that otherwise would have languished.

My last project's "stand-up" was literally 50 people on a conference call listening to the project manager and/or product owner say things. No one actually gave statuses. Don't think the PM understood what a "stand-up" is.

Project only got that big because of typical "man-month" planning though. Sure, let's double our team size via contract hires, and not only expect them to hit the ground running, but also to do so without draining months of the existing team's time training them. Oh, and once the project's money quickly ran out (surprise!) all of the time and effort spent training them went back out the door. Yay.

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