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Destroyenator
Dec 27, 2004

Don't ask me lady, I live in beer

Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:

i think it might be possible for scrum to be used in a non-hosed up organization, but every badgile place talks about scrum non-loving-stop. Like, the scrum and all the crap that goes along with it (like planning poker, scrum masters) is a red flag in my book when joining an organization.

Recognize warning signs:
1. Scrum masters and people with scrum master certificates.
2. Old people. Old people loving love scrum as much as they love 8 am standup meetings.
3. Story points, user stories, velocity.
4. Planning poker. Bonus points if you're given special planning poker playing cards.
5. Microsoft Team Foundation server's scrum TFS template that makes no goddamn sense (as opposed to using index cards)
6. Project hasn't actually released code that gets used by customers in six years, still somehow agile.
7. Kanban. I don't even know what that is but we do it now, can't tell the difference.
It just has the best name recognition in the corporate world and it's easy to send people to a few days training to get "certified". Compared with say PMI-ACP where you have to prove experience to enrol and pay for courses yearly to keep your cert (I have no idea about the content though).

While I wouldn't wish it on anybody I have a morbid curiosity about SAFe, has anyone endured it? This chart is available as a 5'x3' printable pdf you can hang up in the office.

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Destroyenator
Dec 27, 2004

Don't ask me lady, I live in beer

Ithaqua posted:

I'm passingly familiar with SAFe. It seems insane to me but some of my colleagues are big fans. :shrug:

At the end of the day it's really just "coordinating multiple agile teams" as far as I know, though.
Yeah, it just strikes me as the most cynically marketing driven exercise out of all of them.

Most of the agile movement really pushes the buy in at all levels. Scrum™ pretty much says "if you don't have buy in you will fail no matter what" in a pre-emptive no true Scotsman defence. Obviously once agile became a buzz word there opened up a huge market for a way to introduce it to "enterprise" organisations in a way that was palatable to the structures in place. Lots of the efforts focussed on "guerrilla" introductions and "changing them from the inside" which make for great blog posts and talks but good luck dealing with that in practice. In terms of coordinating teams we started getting "scrum-of-scrums" and the Spotify cult but no real clear answer.

And then SAFe seemed to appear on the scene fully formed with an agile implementation that fitted with enterprise bureaucracy, that handles large scale development across remote teams, that was complex enough to justify expensive training and consultants, and trendy enough that middle managers could be "forward thinking" but safe enough (see it's right there in the name!) that they weren't taking too big a risk. The marketing is almost too slick, and the literature seems to be aimed at middle/upper management who will just push the button and suddenly everyone gets two days training and buys some handbooks and then the teams under them are running "agile", huge headline point for that next performance review.

But as I said I haven't seen it in practice or taken the training, there's usually a few good ideas in each of these frameworks, and anywhere that switches to it was probably worse off beforehand anyway so good luck to them.

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