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The Cheshire Cat posted:Star Ruler 2 and Distant Worlds both have orbiting planets and to be honest I just find them more annoying than anything. The travel time within a system is a fraction of a second so it's not like orbital positioning really matters for timing, but every time you zoom back into the system you have to find where everything is again. Orbits were important in DW for pre-warp starts when being on one side of a star or the other makes a huge difference. It would be nice to have that in Stellaris if you have to take a while to develop warp tech.
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V for Vegas posted:Orbits were important in DW for pre-warp starts when being on one side of a star or the other makes a huge difference. It would be nice to have that in Stellaris if you have to take a while to develop warp tech. The pre-warp starts are really tempting in that game but it's like 15 minutes of just tooling around boringly while you bribe pirates because you have literally no choice otherwise. As was said before, Star Ruler 2 has hella realistic physics and it's just more annoying than fun- the planet rotation is annoying but the newtonian ship physics is also super annoying. I honestly hope Paradox leaves the bloat-features for the modders.
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Sep 28, 2015 23:32
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Panzeh posted:If you're going to have a lot of planetary management you have to limit the number, though. I mean if a planet is just a set of sliders like Moo1, so be it, but if you are going all out, you do have to keep the number reasonably low.
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Sep 28, 2015 23:36
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Instead of being all blue, lasers and shields should use the map color of the Empire in question so it's clearer who is shooting/deflecting who.  EDIT: Also, Paradox, please make drat sure that I can rename every star/star system/planet/moon/asteroid that I own. That seems like a no brainer, but every now and then I find a game that doesn't let me do this as much as I want and I get irrationally angry. I don't want the loving Delta Pavonis system, it's supposed to be New Serbia! 
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Sep 28, 2015 23:37
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I want a sequel to Sengoku that isn't just a bare-bones skeleton of an alpha for CK2. Give me a proper Japanese CK2
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Sep 29, 2015 00:29
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There is always occasional discussion of Distant Worlds whenever Stellaris is mentioned. Is that a game worth playing? I've always been interested in it, but I've always been a bit hesitant to sign up for a Matrix game since I'm particularly into their other titles.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:14
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Yes it's worth playing, but you might want to wait for a sale on it. It's unique and interesting but also has one of the shittiest GUIs in 4x history and is clunky and a mess in general. Good for a few playthroughs but it's problems will probably drive you up a wall, given enough time.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:17
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Fintilgin posted:EDIT: Also, Paradox, please make drat sure that I can rename every star/star system/planet/moon/asteroid that I own. That seems like a no brainer, but every now and then I find a game that doesn't let me do this as much as I want and I get irrationally angry. I don't want the loving Delta Pavonis system, it's supposed to be New Serbia! I agree for the most part but you chose one of the best systems as your example and if there's one you should never ever be renaming it's Delta Pavonis. You plebeian. e; Distand Worlds is, in my opinion, the best space 4X since MoO2. It's far from perfect but drat does it scratch my itches in all the right ways. Especially when I play with the Warhams mod :orc: Also haha, I believe the last time someone asked about DW me and Gwyrgyn Blood were the first couple to respond and said the exact same things 
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Sep 29, 2015 01:18
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:There is always occasional discussion of Distant Worlds whenever Stellaris is mentioned. Is that a game worth playing? I've always been interested in it, but I've always been a bit hesitant to sign up for a Matrix game since I'm particularly into their other titles. It's largely impenetrable and your initial reaction is accurate.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:19
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Oh no! Being able to automate different parts of your empire sounds like an interesting idea, but I've always thought that it is probably something that works better in theory than in practice. I've never been one for wars in my strategy games, so leaving that to the computer while I focus on expansion or the economy is right in my wheel house.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:22
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:There is always occasional discussion of Distant Worlds whenever Stellaris is mentioned. Is that a game worth playing? I've always been interested in it, but I've always been a bit hesitant to sign up for a Matrix game since I'm particularly into their other titles. The biggest disappointment of distant worlds is learning how utterly meaningless all that under the hood stuff is- in reality, you have two things that matter- money, and to a lesser extent fuel(you can fix the latter with the former). All those other resources just end up changing how much things cost in money, and you can't really design or not design around a lack because the module resource costs are not particularly deliberately chosen. The civilian ships regenerate their mining posts anyway and you can never eliminate the pirates so you basically just work to keep them off the planets(but they sometimes build up anyway because you have other things to do than stare at every planet). Distant Worlds is what happens when you throw in a bunch of systems without really putting them through the paces of actual design.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:24
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There's an option to stop defeated pirates from respawning? But yeah, the resources aren't handled as well as they might be, and it's more about making sure you have a source for everything than working around your shortages or whatever.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:28
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Mister Adequate posted:There's an option to stop defeated pirates from respawning? But yeah, the resources aren't handled as well as they might be, and it's more about making sure you have a source for everything than working around your shortages or whatever. Yeah but eventually pretty much by the time you get a bit into the game everything has a source- and if not anyway you can fix it with money. It's a system, yeah, but it's one without a very interesting design purpose.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:30
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Oh no! Being able to automate different parts of your empire sounds like an interesting idea, but I've always thought that it is probably something that works better in theory than in practice. I've never been one for wars in my strategy games, so leaving that to the computer while I focus on expansion or the economy is right in my wheel house. I've never tried leaving the military entirely under automation (which you can do, including the ability to let the AI handle starting/ending wars for you), but all my experience playing the game basically made it pretty clear that the military automation is generally pretty terrible, while the economy, ship design, and civilian stuff is all generally pretty decent. The big problem is that the automation is extremely sluggish to respond to anything. It doesn't try to intercept pirates before they get to your systems reliably, for example. Fleets don't handle ships being damaged well (and the refueling is a pain as well), the automation of 'defend this area, attack this area' stuff doesn't work at all for the most part. It's rough and I think it's the part that really drags the game down the most. You just can't rely on the automation of anything military related, which means you get to micro everything. As far as resources go, yeah most of the normal stuff is pretty pointless. There's a few things you can prioritize to make sure you can crank out ships as fast as possible though, if you're planning where to put your mining stations or colonize first. The special resources are a little better though, they give you fair significant bonuses to your empire and there are very limited sources of them. There's a decent GUI mod that color codes the resources so you can filter what's important easier.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:39
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I sunk way too many hours in V2 with NNM. Are there any other mods that are good that aren't total autistic overhauls like PDM? I remember a few that tweaked stuff like politics and whatnot were mentioned in the last thread.
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Sep 29, 2015 01:48
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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:I sunk way too many hours in V2 with NNM. Are there any other mods that are good that aren't total autistic overhauls like PDM? I remember a few that tweaked stuff like politics and whatnot were mentioned in the last thread. You're playing V2, please don't pretend that you don't like games where autism is a key gameplay mechanic.
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Sep 29, 2015 02:00
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Sep 29, 2015 02:03
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I've never tried leaving the military entirely under automation (which you can do, including the ability to let the AI handle starting/ending wars for you), but all my experience playing the game basically made it pretty clear that the military automation is generally pretty terrible, while the economy, ship design, and civilian stuff is all generally pretty decent. The special resources are the most interesting- yeah. The bonuses can be great, but the normal resources just end up meaningless. And, yeah, the automation is really bad- I try to set up pirate hunting groups but it doesn't work- the pirates act weirdly anyway- instead of just harassing shipping they tend to go after planets and mining stations, which is really bizarre. It's also impossible to set ships to escort shipping anyway except as part of a military convoy.
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Sep 29, 2015 02:05
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uPen posted:You're missing the Hoi4 screenshot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Kw3ow3bHM&t=75s
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I want a sequel to Sengoku that isn't just a bare-bones skeleton of an alpha for CK2. Give me a proper Japanese CK2 Just wait for like three more CK2 expansions and you got it.
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Sep 29, 2015 04:52
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Isn't there a Sengoku mod for CK2 already?
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Sep 29, 2015 05:12
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Isn't there a Sengoku mod for CK2 already? Two, one by someone on the forums here that basically ports the map and stuff from the Sengoku demo over, and one with a big-rear end Latin title that looks somewhat more ambitious but I've never tried. I don't think either are compatible with the latest patch? Personally, I want something that covers all of East Asia.
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Sep 29, 2015 05:21
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Have they made any indications toward being able to import games into HOI4 from the end of EUIV? I know there's a bit of an important gap in there (Still Waiting on Victoria III), but cmon man, I just wanna take my dynasty from ~800 AD to the stars, is that too much to ask? (This also requiring a HOI4 --> Stellaris converter.) 
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Sep 29, 2015 05:55
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Isn't there a Sengoku mod for CK2 already? That'd have to be a pretty extensive mod to rewrite various things (especially events) to a more Japanese/Asian culture.
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Sep 29, 2015 06:01
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It's a shame Paradox doesn't want to do automation with Stellaris like in Distant Worlds. It's a neat mechanic and I haven't gone full  with my empire just yet. I do disable pirates for pre-warp though because gently caress pirates and I want to build at my own pace.
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Some OP comments: I don't think there's a NATO counter DLC in the works for HoI4. You have the option of using NATO symbols along with the units if you want them instead of our default icons, but there's no "Just counters, no models" option. Unless I've just missed  Stellaris isn't really a Moo spiritual successor, other than hopefully being a good space empire making game. Moo2 is a classic and certainly had some influence, but we're not trying to re-create it. I guess you might be waiting for it to be released, but remember there's a big rework of the Random New World generator in progress, so CoP should be more appealing to use/buy when it's done.
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Sep 29, 2015 10:39
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Masters of Orion wasn't a good enough game to deserve 85,000 remakes.
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Sep 29, 2015 10:44
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catlord posted:one with a big-rear end Latin title That's always a bad sign. Larry Parrish posted:Masters of Orion wasn't a good enough game to deserve 85,000 remakes. 
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Sep 29, 2015 10:50
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Larry Parrish posted:Masters of Orion wasn't a good enough game to deserve 85,000 remakes. I never really understood the fascination with remaking Masters of Orion. It was a pretty good game, sure, but surely the goal should be to move BEYOND it than to try to find some way to make it again but somehow different yet better?
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Larry Parrish posted:Masters of Orion wasn't a good enough game to deserve 85,000 remakes. I don't understand why everyone remakes MoO2 as opposed to MoO1 which felt less bloated in a lot of ways.
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Tomn posted:I never really understood the fascination with remaking Masters of Orion. It was a pretty good game, sure, but surely the goal should be to move BEYOND it than to try to find some way to make it again but somehow different yet better? I think you're taking the word "remake" a little too literally. People who make Space 4x games do try to do their own thing and are usually not just aping MOO directly, it's just that calling it a "MOO-like" or a "MOO spiritual successor" or whatever is a more handy descriptor.
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Sep 29, 2015 11:48
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Is it too late to hire on Spike Lee to do the story mode for HoI 4?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think you're taking the word "remake" a little too literally. People who make Space 4x games do try to do their own thing and are usually not just aping MOO directly, it's just that calling it a "MOO-like" or a "MOO spiritual successor" or whatever is a more handy descriptor. Yeah except the problem is that almost every game in the genre is Masters of Orion except shittier or with some new feature they tacked on that is useless/unfun/broken
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Larry Parrish posted:Yeah except the problem is that almost every game in the genre is Masters of Orion except shittier or with some new feature they tacked on that is useless/unfun/broken That's why people keep trying to remake it though: every attempt always ends up critically flawed in one fashion or another, and so the next developer down the line thinks that they're the ones that can recapture the magic, and on and on. I mean, if you're saying people probably shouldn't keep trying anymore, or that all of these remakes try to duplicate MOO's specific vision of the Space 4x* so hard and that just damages them in the attempt, then yeah, there's a discussion to be had, but it's not difficult to see why someone would want to make the attempt. * individual colonies in individual planets in individual stars, starpoint-to-starpoint space travel, agriculture vs industry vs research, etc.
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's why people keep trying to remake it though: every attempt always ends up critically flawed in one fashion or another, and so the next developer down the line thinks that they're the ones that can recapture the magic, and on and on. People got confused as hell by Star Ruler 2 because it really didn't fit that particular mold. Civ in space is something people understand, people come to expect, really.
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Panzeh posted:I don't understand why everyone remakes MoO2 as opposed to MoO1 which felt less bloated in a lot of ways. The ability to put individual buildings all over your empire, instead of assigning spending priorities by slider, sounds like a great feature until it turns into micromanagement hell. I agree MoO1 feels less bloated, and much more its own game rather than sci-fi-skinned Civilization.
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ulmont posted:The ability to put individual buildings all over your empire, instead of assigning spending priorities by slider, sounds like a great feature until it turns into micromanagement hell. On the other hand, it gives the colonies character and worth. If you've turned an irradiated hellhole into a lush paradise, you've invested a lot of resources and time into a colony. So when aliens come and bomb it into dirt, that loving matters to you. By comparison I've never managed to give a poo poo when pirates blew up a mining station or aliens conquered one of my colonies in Distant Worlds. They are both so utterly irrelevant that their loss isn't really felt. the only thing that distinguishes a colony in DW is the size of its spaceport.
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Darkrenown posted:I don't think there's a NATO counter DLC in the works for HoI4. You have the option of using NATO symbols along with the units if you want them instead of our default icons, but there's no "Just counters, no models" option. Unless I've just missed pretty sure that was a joke, but yeah we dont have a nato counter DLC  (or do we!  )
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podcat posted:pretty sure that was a joke, but yeah we dont have a nato counter DLC You should! I'd non-ironically buy it if they looked as good as the HOI3 counters. You IRL after making counter DLC: 
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