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Jenny Angel posted:In S2 it felt way more plausible to work around gaping holes in your enemy's gameplan. TPA beat M5 so badly because M5 really wanted to get a bunch of 5v5 teamfight victories and convert those into objectives, but TPA just didn't group up and played the map and M5 looked completely lost once there wasn't a single point on the map where they could group up and get kills. I think this is exactly what's gonna happen to Origen vs the asian teams this year. People overestimate how much better the Chinese and Korean players are individually, it's their coordination and teamwork that sets them apart, and Origen still rely on just winning lanes and/or pick comps. When that wont work they'll get run over.
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iSurrender posted:I think this is exactly what's gonna happen to Origen vs the asian teams this year. People overestimate how much better the Chinese and Korean players are individually, it's their coordination and teamwork that sets them apart, and Origen still rely on just winning lanes and/or pick comps. When that wont work they'll get run over. people forget that riot enables secret hacks on xpeke's account when he's at worlds tho, as evidenced by his previous dade battles
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Savage Cracker posted:Wait what he actually said that. I thought it was some dumb twitter/reddit joke. Holy poo poo Quickshot literally is the dumbest gently caress. Welcome to the worst of the league casters, the rest are better than that we swear
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Sep 29, 2015 18:22
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Luna Was Here posted:Welcome to the worst of the league casters, the rest are better than that we swear Oh I hate him at least as much as everyone else but I didn't think he was that stupid
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Sep 29, 2015 18:27
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Firebert posted:jesus wept and god laughed
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Sep 29, 2015 19:40
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KBD all of your groups except for D are like really ???????????????? any chance I can get explanations on some of them, for instance why you think yoe is gonna beat CLG and pain why you think iG is gonna beat fnatic and why you think is gonna beat SKT really thats it
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Killed By Death posted:Fnatic beat TPA (4-0) like a month after TPA won Worlds, so I'm gonna say them. They also beat Blaze at the same tournament. To be fair they replaced Lamia with Rekkles in between the Regionals for Season 2 Worlds and IPL 5
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Luna Was Here posted:KBD all of your groups except for D are like really ???????????????? any chance I can get explanations on some of them, for instance iG's strongest point (KaKao) matches up against one of Fnatic's weakest (Reignover). KaKao is going to eat him alive. Fnatic's bot lane doesn't play aggressively enough to punish the relative weakness of Kid/Kitties imo. I think Zzitai/Huni is kind of a wash, and Rookie clearly beats Febiven, but Febiven seems to almost specialize in only losing by a small margin vs. much stronger competition, so I dunno how much mid will swing this match. At the end of the day I think KaKao is just too good for Fnatic to handle. As for EDG/SKT, their head-to-head is 3/3 but I think EDG can take it going forward. This is the one I'm least sure of though, especially considering the AmazingJ/Koro1 situation.
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Yeah I don't think any of those opinions are indefensible. In fact they are all well within reason. I also have YFW second in Group A, ahead of CLG and Pain for similar reasons. I think EDG/SKT could easily go 1 and 1 in the group, beat everyone else, and maybe have to tie-break. It depends on which versions of both teams show up, and how good they are on this patch. I like Fnatic over IG but could easily see the opposite happening, for all the reasons KbD posted and the argument rabidsquid and I had way back when the group draw first happened.
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Sexpansion posted:I think this is true and pretty interesting, and I think it's because split-push is one of the three or four bedrock styles of playing league. Teamfight, pick, split-push, and fast-push (not really used anymore but was a thing in season 3 and before) seem to be the four primary basic compositional strategies. Maybe you could call "skirmishing" a style, although I think that's really just a (modified) pick style. Yeah, I definitely feel like the reason we don't see poo poo like this anymore is because inter-region knowledge has become so accessible that regional metas have sorta gotten diluted. These days if someone in LCK busts out a new champion pick or lane setup and starts wrecking with it, Western players will be trying their damnedest to copy it in a matter of a week or two. Obviously you still get region-specific preferences and some matchups are gonna make certain teams look like clowns, but there aren't really strategies that one team or region is holding in reserve that'll blow their opponents' minds when they get deployed at Worlds. Super-competitive regions are a big part of this as well, I feel like. With how insane LPL was this split, for example, I can't imagine any of the teams that made it to Worlds left much in the tank.
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Xpecial V-Log about getting benched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZ7FKyJ3A8 It's actually pretty brutal. And very honest. Killed By Death posted:
Yeah I could definitely see this happening, I don't think these picks are strange at all. Here's mine:  I think at least one group will have an upset, and I think B and D are the groups with the highest chance of that occurring. I feel like it's about 33/33/33 that it's IG, FNC or KT, so after a bunch of back and forth I went with IG not making it out of groups. Sexpansion fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Sep 29, 2015 20:48
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I really want pain to do well so I can feel less bad about all the losses I have against them. 
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Also, there are some serious omissions from that top 20 list, but Faker -> Imp -> GodV -> Kakao -> Rookie isn't a horrible top five at all.
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Sep 29, 2015 21:27
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Sexpansion posted:Xpecial V-Log about getting benched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZ7FKyJ3A8 Can I get a cliff notes version please
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Xpecial said he deserves the benching and he still likes everybody and he wants to keep playing. Piglet and xpecial do not get along. Team liquid was able to find a support piglet liked before they could find an adc that xpecial likes.
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AnonSpore posted:Can I get a cliff notes version please TLDW: Xpecial benched due to Piglet not thinking he's very strong, and Liquid management questioning his ability. The team also looked for new AD to go with Xpecial, but couldn't find one to mesh well, so stuck with Piglet instead. Xpecial is still motivated to play, won't retire. Pulled straight off of reddit because gently caress actually listening to xSpecial speak more than a single sentence
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Piglet doesn't like Xpecial, or playing with him. TL coaching staff (maybe teammates too?) have noted Xpecial has been playing poorly for a while.They tried out Xpecial with some new ADCs and Piglet with some new supports, and Piglet/Smoothie was the best combination, so Xpecial is gone. Xpecial still wants to play, probably going to a new team, doesn't know which one. Xpecial notes he thinks he's improved his attitude this year and that he wasn't benched for bad attitude. He doesn't blame or hold a grudge against anyone on the team for benching him, it's just normal procedure. Still likes Dominate. As an aside this seems to further confirm that Piglet will actually be playing for TL in 2016, since they benched Xpecial for him. quote:I feel like it's about 33/33/33 that it's IG, FNC or KT, so after a bunch of back and forth I went with IG not making it out of groups. I feel sorry for AHQ, really. If you swapped them with FW I'm sure they'd get out of Group A 
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henkman posted:A lot of people have faith in CLG and, well, I don't get it For me it's that I've been a fan since pre-season 1. Also this year they come in on the back of a championship so it's hard not to have faith.
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I doubt Piglet will ever find a support he likes playing with or vice versa. That said, Doublelift was somehow able to find one, so we know it's not impossible.
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Not really a big fan of this Legends Rising series after 2 episodes. The pairings seemed to be forced at best and disingenuous to the stories of both players at worst.
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http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/2/user/2698/my-picks Picked CLG over KOO because there has to be an upset plus a hyped Asian team heavily underperforming in the group stages, that's basically a tradition at this point, and Group A seems most likely for it to happen. Fnatic vs iG is a tossup, I went with Fnatic because I feel they're more clutch. Picked SKT over EDG because EDG's manager all but said "We're going to sandbag and not show our strategies because we're confident we'll beat anyone in quarterfinals anyway", though I do think that overall EDG is stronger than SKT. I think that regardless of who advances from groups, we're going to get a lot more close, competitive matches this year, which is fantastic.
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How do you figure Fnatic has a history of being clutch when they were so dominant in EU that they only were ever given a run for their money in the finals?
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IXIX posted:How do you figure Fnatic has a history of being clutch when they were so dominant in EU that they only were ever given a run for their money in the finals? Even during that period of dominance they had a couple of matches in the regular split where they were down a lot of gold in the early game (I think it was both games against Origen and one against H2K) and still ended up winning both decisively just by playing smart.
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IXIX posted:How do you figure Fnatic has a history of being clutch when they were so dominant in EU that they only were ever given a run for their money in the finals? Well I guess it starts with defining whether or not you consider "clutchness" to be a real thing, and the second whether or not you recognize Fnatic as the kings of gaming that should top every possible metric even the really esoteric ones. We need a Fnatic  avatar that I can affix to all my posts about EU League.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Even during that period of dominance they had a couple of matches in the regular split where they were down a lot of gold in the early game (I think it was both games against Origen and one against H2K) and still ended up winning both decisively just by hunkering down and waiting for the other team to catastrophically throw.
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Libertine posted:We need a Fnatic takle your picjk  
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C9 will make it out of groups and IG will not. Heard it here first folks! Also I hate to be "that guy" but Liquid has been on Mars the whole time. That means "like before Hannah Montana was Miley" to all you LPL bandwagon nerds
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My judgement of paiN was coming from the worlds rundown Summoners Insight where Thorin Monte and most guests who talked about paiN said they looked solid (but against brazilian teams so ???). I also think people are vastly underrating CLG (and always do) but as a CLG fan I'm prepared for the worst and when they get 0-3'd the first day they play I'm just going to accept it as my fate as a CLG fan. the iG vs FNC matchup is a reasonable toss up but I'm gonna put my faith in Yellowstar to have made the adaptational changes to both their playstyle as a bot lane and play style as a team to match accordingly to ig. The jungle is certainly going to be a toss up but I think FNC are gonna pull out the win in that matchup through better players but its an either way matchup. faker is going to crush pawn so hard he tilts the rest of the lpl with him Xd
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CLG looked better due to coaching and I think that's big but its hard to tell the full extent of it yet. I'm very curious to see how they stand up.Libertine posted:Some of the total nonsense from S2 Worlds: Also in S3, Korea only got 3 spots because they won All-stars - they were only naturally given 2 spots. (Not that anyone was really going to beat the S3 KR allstar team - even though this was pre-Faker (Ambition was mid), they still dunked on everyone.) SK Telecom was the 3rd seeded Korean team in S3 and only got in because of that extra spot. If KR had only had 2 spots it would have been NJBS and Ozone from circuit points.
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