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tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
Despite being a leftist myself, and actually having a ton of left wing opinions (fan of socialism, gender equality, most racial equality, abortion rights, pot should be legal, etc.) I actually think that gender segregation in sports is a good thing. "What the-" I can hear some of you saying now. But listen and learn, youngn's, I'm gonna school you on why I have this opinion even if its a little less than "PC".

1. Good time for men to learn social responsibility : lets face it, in a world fraught with zionist advertising sucking the soul out of everyone subjected to endless amounts of insane brain crushing advertising forcing you to desire to buy nonsense junk that you will never need, it's tough for anyone (especially those without a rich european ancestry, just real talk) to come to grips with themselves and forge an identity apart from this nonsense. sports are a good time for these young men to form fraternal bonds with one another and learn the value of putting your best foot forward. Integrating them with women at this time when they are confused and dominated by hormones, growing up, puberty and all that stuff would be tantamount to putting extra static in their brains. The glory of sports with the boys after school and shooting hoops in the park is one that causes young men and growing champions to understand who they are in relation to expended effort, do they have what it takes to become the best, did they give it their all. Ignoring , for the moment, the fact that its questionable whether women are able to feel similarly deep levels of fraternity with their fellow woman/human in general, taking this time away from men would be a shame.

2. Men are so much better at sports and any athletic endeavor that it would actually be unfair to the women. Ronda Roussey keeps saying she would fight Floyd Mayweather but the real reason it won't happen is because Floyd would likely beat her like Chris Brown did Rihanna. The level of skill, ability, and quick thinking from a man's mind when it comes to sports (or any effort which requires a high level of spacial reasoning, e.x. parallel parking, which is factually proven btw) is so out of bounds greater than a woman's that it would be unfair entirely. Additionally, integrating things like the Olympics would rob women chances of competing for their own glory. Who doesn't sit down on Monday nights and watch the new York Liberty play against the South Carolina Freedom for the chance at the WNBA crown? If they were integrated with the men this wouldn't be allowed at all. In fact one of the D&D posters that previously argued men and women's boxing should be integrated was found to enjoy beating women himself, proving that those who like that idea are insane and violent.

Well let me know what you think! I only expect the highest level of discussion (and debate ;) ) so please, no trolls.

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System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Completely agree, op. This is what happens when you mix genders on the pitch:



Ban this sick filth

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

System Metternich posted:

Completely agree, op. This is what happens when you mix genders on the pitch:



Ban this sick filth

That is different because the referee is not playing with the boys. She's just being a referee, a decidedly less good thing to be.

Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005
Not making sense of any of this thread tbh tbp.

Nosfereefer
Jun 15, 2011

IF YOU FIND THIS POSTER OUTSIDE BYOB, PLEASE RETURN THEM. WE ARE VERY WORRIED AND WE MISS THEM
What about racial segregation? See: white people, who famously can't jump, having to compete in jumping together with ethnic groups that do.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
I don't think Ronda ever said that about beating Mayweather but the following statements are true:

Ronda Rousey would likely beat Floyd Mayweather in an MMA fight.
Floyd Mayweather would likely beat Ronda Rousey in a boxing match.

Specialisation matters. Athletics at the professional level requires years of training. Albert Pujols is one of the greatest hitters of all time, but if he's batting against Jennie Finch or Cat Osterman, his batting average will drop to about .100 if he's lucky because his body is trained to hit baseball pitchers.

Bo Jackson is the exception. Bo Jackson could pick up hockey tomorrow and become one of the top 50 scorers of all time.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

pathetic little tramp posted:

I don't think Ronda ever said that about beating Mayweather but the following statements are true:

Ronda Rousey would likely beat Floyd Mayweather in an MMA fight.
Floyd Mayweather would likely beat Ronda Rousey in a boxing match.

Specialisation matters. Athletics at the professional level requires years of training. Albert Pujols is one of the greatest hitters of all time, but if he's batting against Jennie Finch or Cat Osterman, his batting average will drop to about .100 if he's lucky because his body is trained to hit baseball pitchers.

Bo Jackson is the exception. Bo Jackson could pick up hockey tomorrow and become one of the top 50 scorers of all time.

Floyd Mayweather would 100% destroy Ronda Rousey in any sort of fight so badly it would be go against the Geneva Convention

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

Nosfereefer posted:

What about racial segregation? See: white people, who famously can't jump, having to compete in jumping together with ethnic groups that do.

We must encourage fraternal bonding and understanding of your fellow man through athletic endeavours regardless of race, in order to eventually create class consciousness amongst the participants who will then realize that the enemy is not the black, but the Zionist Capitalist.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib

tbp posted:

Floyd Mayweather would 100% destroy Ronda Rousey in any sort of fight so badly it would be go against the Geneva Convention

Dude couldn't even fight paul wight (the goofy santa from jingle all the way) without resorting to foreign objects:


tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

pathetic little tramp posted:

Dude couldn't even fight paul wight (the goofy santa from jingle all the way) without resorting to foreign objects:




As I asked for no trolls in my thread, I will have to report you.

For everyone else: thoughts on this? I wonder if there are a few (maybe, many?) who agree that gender segregation in sports is a good thing.

Womyn Capote
Jul 5, 2004


tbp posted:

For everyone else: thoughts on this? I wonder if there are a few (maybe, many?) who agree that gender segregation in sports is a good thing.

I disagree with your fundamental assumption that sports are a good thing at all. They aren't, and all sports should be banned in favor of progressive intellectual pursuits.

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

tbp posted:

Floyd Mayweather would 100% destroy Ronda Rousey in any sort of fight so badly it would be go against the Geneva Convention

There's nowhere to run away in a cage, no ropes to hide on, and clinching invites knees to the face. The guy's entire style is worthless outside of boxing for points.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

Talmonis posted:

There's nowhere to run away in a cage, no ropes to hide on, and clinching invites knees to the face. The guy's entire style is worthless outside of boxing for points.

The speed he possesses, as well as natural "genetic" power ( ;) ) will give him the ability to defeat her nearly immediately.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

DONT CARE BUTTON posted:

I disagree with your fundamental assumption that sports are a good thing at all. They aren't, and all sports should be banned in favor of progressive intellectual pursuits.

This sounds like someone unacquainted with the benefits of manhood, who has embraced femininity and rejected masculinity due to political and social pressures.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
its so all the boy athlets dont get boners and fall down, op

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
I see there are few challenges to my assertions in the OP, guess we've reached a consensus.

Rodatose
Jul 8, 2008

corn, corn, corn

DONT CARE BUTTON posted:

I disagree with your fundamental assumption that sports are a good thing at all. They aren't, and all sports should be banned in favor of progressive intellectual pursuits.

Would you be in favor of chessboxin'

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I think a much more interesting topic is "Should transwomen be allowed to compete along side ciswomen?".

As a SJW I think the answer should be maybe not. There was such a MMA fight and the outcome of the fight was fairly brutal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

quote:

During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head.
http://www.cagepotato.com/after-being-tkod-by-fallon-fox-tamikka-brents-says-transgender-fighters-in-mma-just-isnt-fair/

quote:

I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

quote:

During the 1998 Australian Open, sisters Serena and Venus Williams boasted that they could beat any man ranked outside the world's top 200. The challenge was accepted by Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No 203 (his highest ranking was No 38). Before the matches, Braasch played a round of golf in the morning, drank a couple of beers, smoked a few cigarettes, and then played the Williams sisters for a set each, one after the other. He defeated Serena, 6-1, and Venus, 6-2. Serena said afterwards "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

In 1999 when Serena Williams was 18 and ranked 4th in the world, she re-opened the debate on whether women can compete with men in professional sport. The US Open champion believed she could take on and beat the best players in the men's game - she even applied for a wild card entry to take part in a men's singles event, the Eurocard Open, but this did not eventuate, mainly because she could not compete as she was not a man.

Yikes.

There are definitely physical differences, it would be pretty unfair to expect someone to compete on a level they're not up for.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

It is my dream that some day we shall achieve true equality and girls everywhere will have the opportunity to play sports on the same field as this:



Bedshaped posted:

I think a much more interesting topic is "Should transwomen be allowed to compete along side ciswomen?".

No, for the very reasons you highlighted.

Sexual dimorphism doesn't stop being real just because people want it to.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Wheeee posted:

It is my dream that some day we shall achieve true equality and girls everywhere will have the opportunity to play sports on the same field as this:



hm a goon thinks white women are sexually threatened by black men

surprising

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Wheeee posted:


Sexual dimorphism doesn't stop being real just because people want it to.

lol looks like an East German female weightlifter

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Wheeee posted:

It is my dream that some day we shall achieve true equality and girls everywhere will have the opportunity to play sports on the same field as this:




No, for the very reasons you highlighted.

Sexual dimorphism doesn't stop being real just because people want it to.

those are some impressive steroids

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Jose posted:

those are some impressive steroids

Women can take steroids just as well as men can.



HGH gut knows no sex or gender.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Frosted Flake posted:

Women can take steroids just as well as men can.



HGH gut knows no sex or gender.

They can take them, but they'll never be as huge or powerful.

Also good job reading racism into an image of a dude who looks like a fuckin space marine used as illustration of the fact that even the most roided out genetic freak woman on the planet is never going to be physically competitive in sports against similarly roided out freak men, goons

Women should be fully integrated into armed forces however since we have things like guns and vehicles now and don't just swing chunks of metal at each other.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Women can take steroids just as well as men can.



HGH gut knows no sex or gender.

I want this woman to crush my cock and balls with her rear end.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Wheeee posted:

They can take them, but they'll never be as huge or powerful.

Also good job reading racism into an image of a dude who looks like a fuckin space marine used as illustration of the fact that even the most roided out genetic freak woman on the planet is never going to be physically competitive in sports against similarly roided out freak men, goons

about five minues from going off about muscle fiber twitch speeds and foot bone length

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Wheeee posted:

They can take them, but they'll never be as huge or powerful.

Also good job reading racism into an image of a dude who looks like a fuckin space marine used as illustration of the fact that even the most roided out genetic freak woman on the planet is never going to be physically competitive in sports against similarly roided out freak men, goons

Women should be fully integrated into armed forces however since we have things like guns and vehicles now and don't just swing chunks of metal at each other.

yeah dude, women never fought before the invention of the automobile

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib
Women are incapable of developing the muscle tone necessary to hold 4-6 lbs in one hand. I choose logic.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Wheeee posted:

Women should be fully integrated into armed forces however since we have things like guns and vehicles now and don't just swing chunks of metal at each other.

As someone who has worked with women in the armed forces, that's not necessarily true. What I mean, is any woman should be able to try, but that doesn't always mean they'll be able.

Tank crews still have to change and tighten treads, artymen still need to lift shells and move trails.

It's dumb to arbitrarily prevent them from giving it a go though, there are enough wimpy guys who made the cut.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Equalize the playing field.
Only human beings desexed in the womb or breeding tube may play professional sports.

Highly specialized sports athletes with but one purpose: Play sports for their survival and our amusement.
A new Human genetic sex all unto their own.

on the left
Nov 2, 2013
I Am A Gigantic Piece Of Shit

Literally poo from a diseased human butt
Steroids should be encouraged. If a man wants to express his gender by being a roid-raging mountain of a man, that desire is just as valid as someone who wants to present as a feminine woman.

Bans on steroids in sports are naked transphobia and shouldn't be supported by right-thinking progressives everywhere.

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Frosted Flake posted:

As someone who has worked with women in the armed forces, that's not necessarily true. What I mean, is any woman should be able to try, but that doesn't always mean they'll be able.

Tank crews still have to change and tighten treads, artymen still need to lift shells and move trails.

It's dumb to arbitrarily prevent them from giving it a go though, there are enough wimpy guys who made the cut.

Mariya Oktyabrskaya was a genetic mutant, I guess.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Effectronica posted:

Mariya Oktyabrskaya was a genetic mutant, I guess.

You wouldn't know her name if she was typical.

Tweet Me Balls
Apr 14, 2009

In the year 20XX the only remaining form of entertainment will be androgynous blob man vs androgynous lady boy esports.

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Frosted Flake posted:

You wouldn't know her name if she was typical.

Amazing, how she instinctively knew that she was one of the only women in the world capable of working as a mechanic on a tank, despite being a 38-year-old cannery worker and telephone operator.

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib


You can't quite see her bulging muscles in this picture. God drat these primitive Myspace angles.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Effectronica posted:

Amazing, how she instinctively knew that she was one of the only women in the world capable of working as a mechanic on a tank, despite being a 38-year-old cannery worker and telephone operator.

Oh that's cool. You found one example of a female tanker. I'm sure if you google you'll find more examples of female Soviet tankers.

That doesn't mean most women, or even most men are suited for the job.

e: Even in a military that has allowed women in the Combat Arms since the 90's, there's not a 50% gender division.

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Frosted Flake posted:

Oh that's cool. You found one example of a female tanker. I'm sure if you google you'll find more examples of female Soviet tankers.

That doesn't mean most women, or even most men are suited for the job.

Japan lost WW2 because SJWism led them to have women work as stevedores, where they all died from trying to unload 50-lb bags of rice.

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Meritocracy cures sexism.

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