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OP is right but is also a dumbass. This argument bothers me so I thought I'd put together a little info. Let's talk about a specific sport that has had men and women training together for a long time: swimming. Swimming is skill based, but also has a major strength component. If an Olympic God of a man who is an inexperienced swimmer races an elite swimmer woman, the man will lose every time. However, the woman will have a difficult time at a major international competition because of the gap between her and the top male swimmers. The Olympics, Olympic Trials, World Championships, Pan Pacific Games, European Championships, World Cup Series, etc. all have men and women competing at the same venue. They compete in separate races, but swim the same events (with one exception). The NCAA D1 championships are the only major competition that has men and women swim at different facilities, but this is mostly for tradition and logistical reasons. The D2 and D3 Championships have men and women compete at the same facility to save money. Opportunities for men and women in swimming are roughly equal. Watch the video below and you can see men and women training together in the 1960s. Men and women train together in every club team in the United States from the earliest ages. Some college teams train separately, some train together. A good example of a program with more emphasis on the women would be the University of Georgia. They have the same coaching staff for men and women and have won six NCAA titles on the women's side. They have not won a single title on the men's side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlGKXj8OE9M There are more girls swimming than boys on club teams and on high school teams. There are more scholarships available for women at the NCAA level in swimming. Women's Swimming scholarships are used to help offset football scholarships to keep Universities in line with Title IX. Despite this equality, the men's world records are still all faster than the women's world records. For a recent example of the gap, Katie Ledecky is a star in the swimming world. She is by far the most dominant active swimmer of either gender in the world in her races. In the 1500 m freestyle, she has crushed the previous world record by about 18 seconds. When she races, there is noone that can challenge her. She is only the second swimmer in history to win the 200, 400, 800, and 1500 m freestyles at the same world championships (the first was accomplished at a time when swimming was undergoing a lot of changes). If Katie Ledecky raced with the men, her time in the 1500 freestyle would have ranked her 96th in the world this year. That is by far her highest ranking, with her getting nowhere close to the top 100 in the 200 and 400 m freestyles. For a swimmer, that would mean no endorsements or opportunity to swim as a professional. With integrated competition, the most dominant swimmer in the world would not have anywhere near the level of opportunity she currently has. I believe that Track & Field has a similar gap, but I can't provide solid examples there. If you want for most women's sports to increase their popularity, the road is through increased participation by girls and building excitement about female athletic accomplishments. I am all for women's sports getting more popular, but we have to work with some realities to achieve those goals. You can look up more rankings at this website below, it actually lets you look at men and women together, but it might be hard to find the women in the full list unless you know their names already. http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=805
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure if it counts as There is a difference in the muscle composition between men and women. There are always outliers, but on average the population of men is stronger than women. I don't think this has any effect on what women can accomplish outside of athletics (only when compared to the best men) or fringe cases where a job requires immense strength. If a woman can still do the job, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to. As for socialization, we already have sports where men and women are treated basically the same. I posted about swimming earlier, it's still a fact that men and women do the same training and get the same treatment at competitions in the United States. Same for European countries and Australia, I'm not sure about Asia or South America. USA shows how it works well because we're dominant in the sport. There is a period from ages 10-12 where a lot of the fastest girls are faster than the fastest boys on their team. Once puberty kicks in, the boys start to equalize then surpass. Of course, there are plenty of girls who will regularly beat the boys on their team throughout high school. But if you raced them with the boys, they wouldn't get nearly as much attention. Any solutions for making women's athletics more popular by integrating with men are out of touch with reality and would hurt women's athletics. OP is still dumb though.
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if it's talking about basic biology. Women generally don't build muscle the same way men do. Women tend to be less muscular overall than men are. That may be heavily socialised but I was under the impression it's also physiological.