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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

gradenko_2000 posted:

This is what we're down to? This?! I loving hope someday I'm popular enough that major news outlets are going to sifting through my spam folder pondering whether or not I really did buy that Cialis and Viagra.
This is like reason #101 why you shouldn't loving have classified info on unsecured machines.

This entire scandal really amuses me though because it's always fun watching a rich person laugh off a raft of felonies that would send me to jail for the rest of my life.

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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Evil Fluffy posted:

Yeah powerful people getting away with serious crimes sucks but what do Patreaus's crimes have to do with Hilary's email server?
I was under the impression that it was confirmed some of her emails contained data from NGA sources, and you can't take a poo poo at NGA without it being at least Secret.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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duz posted:

Nope, so far all the releases have had the addendum that none of the emails now marked classified/whatever were such at the time they were sent.
I take it you're unfamiliar with the degree of insanity surrounding classification. Because whether or not your rear end is classified, if as a government employee, you were to mark it SECRET/NOFORN the government would be within it's rights not only to prosecute you, but also to impound said rear end and make everyone who saw it sign an NDA.

As someone who has been subject to that level of government retardation this entire thing makes me very sad. Having the Secretary of State conducting any kind of government business from unsecured machines is sloppy as poo poo, and if it was Joe Q. Nobody who did it instead of Hillary Clinton he'd be getting a good 'ol fashioned IG reaming.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Bob Ojeda posted:

Death is inevitable, zoux. You can't stop death so why even try.
It is a mercy to gun down schoolchildren in an America that has a very real chance of electing Donald Trump its next president.

Nocturtle posted:

why are state dept heads allowed to have private email servers
Short answer: They aren't. It's 100% against policy, against transparency regulations, and if there's even the slightest whiff of classified material against about a dozen federal laws.

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Oct 1, 2015

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Radbot posted:

Have you even bothered looking at a Clinton or Sanders v. Trump poll?
Polling is irrelevant, nothing can stop America from being made great again. If parents are too cowardly to do what must be done it is up to brave humanitarians to save these children from their terrible future.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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MaxxBot posted:

You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless.

Shoulder thing that goes up.


Pictured above: The last thing your children will ever see.

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 1, 2015

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Bob Ojeda posted:

Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students
Mandate state compliance with NICS. Open NICS to the public.

Two thing that would cost nothing and close a "loophole" people have been bitching about for like 25 years now.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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chitoryu12 posted:

I'll say what I said the last time: firearms is the only subject I've seen where the people who actually have a deep understanding of the subject matter are called crazy thugs if they try to participate.
You should read the Energy Gerneration and GMO threads.

Actually, you shouldn't. They are awful.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Zanzibar Ham posted:

I suggest banning all guns except .22 Long Rifles which aren't lethal.
.22LR is still lethal against Christians and Jews. It's just the Musselman who are all hopped up on jihad that it can't bring down.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

if we ban handguns though the suicide rate will decrease and i find this to be an inexcusable restriction on the 2A rights of americans
It would make blowing your brains out require a little flexibility which would encourage physical fitness.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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icantfindaname posted:

guns shouldn't be banned, but anyone who shows interest in owning them should be banned from doing so
I feel this way about politics.

Anyone who wants to be in charge shouldn't be.

We need to devise a system wherein we elect only the people who least want to be elected.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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They should probably just stop letting spergs go out in public if they're gonna keep murdering everyone.

Fedoras and Goku shirts should be shoot-on-sight for our nation's police.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Elephant Ambush posted:

For the record I'm in favor of strict gun control but how do you stop someone from buying a gun, ostensibly for themselves, then just gifting it to someone for free?
That's already super duper illegal.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Eschers Basement posted:

I know red pill and iron pill - what's black pill?

Oh god I know I'm going to so regret having asked that

Once you go black you never go back.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Dilkington posted:

you're approaching Rawl's "veil of ignorance"
Im not in favor of veils. The French have the right idea on that one.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Though let's be fair, anyone who thinks that if the US Military turned on its people it would certainly not be under a Democratic president (1) and (2) your lovely little knock off ak would not be able to defend you from the arsenal we have equipped our military with.
You forget that all the nuclear weapons are in loving Montana and the Dakotas.

Filthy coasters would eat atomic fire on day one.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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zoux posted:

Yeah but it feels like it's true.
Literally the reasoning behind 90% of federal gun laws.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Spaceman Future! posted:

citaion of that percentage?

or... does it just feel that way?
I don't feel I need to support any of the things I claim with facts.

Facts only slow me down.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Didn't everyone already know this?

Shocking news! People who can pass a criminal background check are not often involved in crimes!

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Nintendo Kid posted:

And then there's the naval nukes that are probably going to obey the people who have ports.
The US nuclear force is disturbingly Mormon.

Honestly I'm siding with Utah when the poo poo goes down because those fuckers own the Air Force.

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

The point is that it doesn't do what people say it does, which is "reduce crime."
Anyone who thought it would is dumb. The vast majority of all violent crime is basically either domestic or criminal-on-criminal.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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fknlo posted:

You can't be that dense.
My point is that upper-middle class gunspergs with a clean background are neither the perpetrators nor victims of any significant percentage of crimes. So unless we assume they're all lurking in low-income neighborhoods waiting to Batman it up there's no way they're reducing any crime.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Popular Thug Drink posted:

so you're admitting there's no actual purpose to a CCW except as a penile replacement
You definitely don't want to replace your penis with a handgun.

It may seem cool, but honestly it freaks girls out.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

Its not just that CHL ownership doesn't impact if the owner commits a crime, but also that CHL ownership doesn't prevent other people from committing crimes.
Yeah, exactly. Because people who can get a CHL are a vanishingly small percentage of crime perpetrators/victims/witnesses. And also because criminals are loving dumb and nobody is looking up CCW stats and doing the math before he knocks over a WaWa.

For CHL to be effective at reducing crime it'd have to be prevalent in areas where crime happens, which it isn't because nobody in those areas can afford it or pass the background check due to racism.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Popular Thug Drink posted:

in like every post you preach towards the uselessness of a CCW and the funny part is that i doubt you're even aware of what you're saying
What am I saying?

I'm pretty sure I was saying that it was blindingly obvious that concealed carry couldn't have an effect on crime, but it's possible I was really talking about hit Broadway musical Cats!

Please forums superstar Popular Thug Drink, help me!

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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BetterToRuleInHell posted:

I keep seeing Australia used as the example of a of successful gun control but how closely does the makeup of Australia resemble the US (to make a fair comparison)?
It's probably best the Australians don't have guns considering how virulently racist they are.

Thankfully the place is chock full of poisonous fauna and that keeps their numbers sufficiently small that they can't cause any real trouble.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

Of course, we can't even get the political will to mandate background checks, so you don't need to go out and buy more ammo just yet.
We can't even get the political will to allow for private background checks, let alone mandate them.

Like, literally all that is needed is for the President to say "Hey FBI, let people phone in background checks." There wouldn't even need to be legislation.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Sir Tonk posted:

Great, now Wolf is going to start using Spider-Man images between his segments.
As if Wolf Blitzer's show could possibly be dumber.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

Are you sure that's not banned under FOPA?
Don't see how it would be.

Then again gun laws are totally nonsensical so I suppose it's possible.

Honestly I think nobody has done it because gun people don't care and anti-gun people don't know NICS exists.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

Meanwhile, in reality, it's massive numbers of American made guns that are overwhelming Mexican gun laws ever since we lifted our ban on the kinds of weapons used by the cartels et al.
I'm sure Los Zetas bought their Huey gunship from a Gander Mountain in Arizona somewhere.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Meat Recital posted:

If lives were so important, the Founders would have put the right to life in the Constitution along side the right to own guns and the right to not have soldiers crash at your house.
Fun fact: There has been only one 3rd Amendment case heard by the Supreme Court.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Trabisnikof posted:

While movies might lead you to think otherwise, most of the deaths from the drug war in Mexico weren't from helicopters.
Well then they need to step that poo poo up because if it isn't cool I'm not interested.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Volcott posted:

We should do things, several things, but not that thing.

Never that thing.



No, we won't do that.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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DarkCrawler posted:

Is there any era where public ownership of weapons was able to stop tyranny? Didn't a successful revolt require actual trained military units since we first started writing things down, pretty much?
Well, military training is sort of a new thing historically to start with, but your point stands. Guys with discipline will almost always beat a mob. The problem with revolts tends to be less the result of open battle and more that guys with discipline require pay unless you want them to join the mob, and the mob generally refuses to pay taxes.

Rebellions are won or lost in the books, not on the battlefield.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Literally The Worst posted:

you know they've done studies on this whole idea
Link?

Edit: I have journal access if you have a title.

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Oct 15, 2004

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FAUXTON posted:

Never mind that a party running on social progress would be passing social programs first anyway.
Fuckin' laffo.

Do you live in the same America I do or some kind of parallel America where the Democrats aren't worthless shitbags concerned only with stroking the cocks of their corporate paymasters?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Mister Macys posted:

national guard reserve
How would that work? Be in the reserves 2 days a month?

TBQH we're probably all better off the fewer guns loving Guardsmen are allowed to touch. If the Army could find some way to inflict the National Guard on America's enemies we'd never lose another war.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Mister Macys posted:

As long as you go every other weekend, you get to buy and keep firearms more dangerous than a bolt-action rifle. When you retire/quit, you have to sell them.
Hmm yes this is a well considered opinion we should all join the National Guard Reserve, an organization with a proud history.

Nelson Mandingo posted:

the study wasn't rigorously scientific but
Is the "I'm not racist but..." of science.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Mister Macys posted:

Why track guns when you can just track the owners much more easily.
I didn't know the National Guard Reserve had such an advanced tracking system. Tell me more.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Mister Macys posted:

It's called having your name and an address. Otherwise you're not serving, and thus you get no murder weapons more advanced than a 1903.
Oh no, the National Guard Reserve has my address? How did they get it?

Literally The Worst posted:

ah yes a rigorously controlled recreation of chaos, that's a thing that can happen
Stupid ethics rules preventing hard working sociologists from actually starting a few school shootings for accurate studies!

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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mastershakeman posted:

Well it does.
Metal Gears are ordnance, not arms. :eng101:

The part of the Constitution that you want to cite for Metal Gears is Article I, Section 8, Clause 11.

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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Literally The Worst posted:

i have no idea what you're even trying to argue anymore
That's called PsyOps.

Because the 1st Amendment has always been the best one.

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