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blowfish posted:Hmm you just gave members of a species living in small roving groups with occasional contact eating a varied diet of intermittently no-to-moderate starch/sugar things a way to sit on top of each other by the thousand continuously while munching on grains and wading through pig poo poo? Oh gosh, the incidence of disease initially increased until they adapted to changed conditions, what a shock! I don't really see how how you're arguing against what he's saying though? Are we all agreeing that early agricultural societies probably had a lower quality of life? also its hardly surprising that hunter gatherer groups are a minority, the lifestyle simply can't sustain anywhere near the same number of people that agriculture can, but again that doesn't really say anything about quality of life before the industrial revolution. Liberal_L33t posted:The kind of lifestyles you are championing is equally unsustainable for socio-political reasons, which is to say "Existing at the mercy of natural forces and primitive social systems is a living hell that most people will choose to escape from, given the chance." Note that these 'uncontacted societies' are usually only able to maintain control over their members and prevent desertion to modern settlements because of geographical barriers like oceans and forests. Any efforts to return to the nightmarish state of primitivism you idolize would unavoidably resemble the latter stages of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge purges. Can I just say something, there is a recent theory that supposedly 'Primitive' peoples that lived on the outskirts of civilization (think Montagnards in Southeast Asia) might not represent some remnant of pre-civilized culture but were actually previous members of said civilized society who hosed off to the mountains or forests to leave behind of the major social or economic problems that more Civilized societies had to deal with, have a lighthearted video on the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzi9GNZFMU khwarezm fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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