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A Tin Of Beans
Nov 25, 2013

I've been debating all month if I wanted to feel some literary despair and finally decided, hell the gently caress yes and bought the book. Two chapters in and boy howdy, I am pretty sure I made the right call.

Good poo poo, Battuta. I'm looking forward to this one, even if I'm also a bit late for the BOTM thread.

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A Tin Of Beans
Nov 25, 2013

Impaired Casing posted:

I saw people saying it's soul crushing and depressing, but I didn't really feel that. Until the end of course. It made perfect sense but I didn't see it coming at all. Another reason why I want to reread this as soon as possible.

Haha, I was about to ask! I was ... admittedly caught off guard a bit by her being a traitor twice over. I mean, she said right at the start of the book, and the start of her tenure, where her loyalties lay, and yet! It's the loving title! And yet. I was so willing to buy in. Goddamn, that ending. Part of me is a bit frustrated over more tragic lesbians, oh boy, never enough of those I guess but I get why it happened that way and I did really enjoy the book. There's some really lovely prose in here. I'm looking forward to the next one for sure.



Edit: Silly question, is there an 'official' pronunciation for the character names? "Lyxaxu" in particular kept varying wildly in how I thought that sounded.

Also, think I missed it, but how long has the Masquerade been around as a political force/empire?

A Tin Of Beans fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Oct 31, 2015

A Tin Of Beans
Nov 25, 2013

Esme posted:

I imagined Lyxaxu being pronounced as someone angrily starting to call you a liar and then sneezing in the middle of the word.

Also, while I get the criticism of tragic lesbian stories on a cultural level, I don't think it holds much water on an individual one. Especially this one, where the tragic outcome was character-driven, rather than an inevitable result of their sexuality (I know that's basically what you said).

E. Actually, I'm going to go on about that because I think it was quite well done. Even in an intensely homophobic society, Baru had the option to carve out a life for herself with Tain Hu. Things ended tragically because she steamrolled over her chances to be happy, or because she wouldn't have been happy with that life anyway, not because the chances weren't there. It worked for me because I never felt like tragedy was the only option for Baru, and her character was flawed in such a way that her story ending up tragic for her anyway made sense.


Also there's a sequel planned, and who knows what might happen there.

Oh, yeah, totally agreed. I mean, she's been fed the narrative her whole life - it's a choice she made because of her own flaws, a huge number of which were foisted on her by the schooling she received and society she's been raised in since the Masquerade came to Taranoke. So tragic lesbians makes sense in the context of the story at hand, and I think it's a valid commentary on that. Her choice is flawed, and like Crashbee says, it would have been held over her head the entire time as blackmail. Baru is an incredibly goal-oriented character with a real skill for self-denial.

Like, she was never really looking out for the dukes of Aurdwynn. She was always looking for her own power, and for Taranoke after that - even with the chances open to her to do things differently, I don't she ever saw those as valid options. She tried sending Tain Hu away, at least, but that didn't work. If she'd taken those other routes she wouldn't have been able to go to Falcrest/work her way into the cabal behind the Throne; or she would have, but would have had a knife over her head all the while ... I get what led her to her choices, mostly, sort of. I don't necessarily agree with those choices but it made sense. Tain Hu's death makes an awful sense. And man, Baru's scary.

I'm still bummed about it, though! I can accept it logically and still, as a gay woman myself, be frustrated, you dig? These are the stories I get all the time, too! Two women get together, but whoops, it's gonna end in tragedy. I think I'm displeased on a broad level, and not at the specific story. Just because it's a good story, just because it makes sense, doesn't mean it's not also still part of that broader context.

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