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Dead Reckoning posted:Ok, how many deaths per year constitutes a crisis worth defaulting to infringing on rights? Let's talk numbers. Free speech doesn't hurt anyone but that doesn't stop "Shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater" from being the first thing brought up every time. When's the last time that happened?
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I feel like we're about at the time where gun owners insist they're like the main character in Equilibrium, and could easily pwn the weak, unmanly soldiers of a Democratic-fascist regime when they send in the black helicopters to take their guns away. Anyone else feel that?
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Effectronica posted:I feel like we're about at the time where gun owners insist they're like the main character in Equilibrium, and could easily pwn the weak, unmanly soldiers of a Democratic-fascist regime when they send in the black helicopters to take their guns away. Anyone else feel that? Dude, the first rule of mooks is that their power decreases as their numbers increase. Be fearful of the scary enforcer/right hand man, not the hordes of redshirts.
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Oct 12, 2015 04:43
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Dead Reckoning posted:Ok, how many deaths per year constitutes a crisis worth defaulting to infringing on rights? Let's talk numbers. You tell me.
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Oct 12, 2015 04:49
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Effectronica posted:I feel like we're about at the time where gun owners insist they're like the main character in Equilibrium, and could easily pwn the weak, unmanly soldiers of a Democratic-fascist regime when they send in the black helicopters to take their guns away. Anyone else feel that? They'd have to have some amazing gun-kata to survive multiple drone strikes. Taking on the government might have been possible in 1787, ever since then things have gone awry in the arms race of proud patriots vs. the government
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Oct 12, 2015 04:51
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RaySmuckles posted:Free speech doesn't hurt anyone but that doesn't stop "Shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater" from being the first thing brought up every time. When's the last time that happened? Are you are aware that metaphor comes from Schenck v. United States, a rather odious decision against free speech which has been subsequently abandoned? Who What Now posted:You tell me. I'm not the one proposing restricting others' rights.
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Oct 12, 2015 05:16
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RaySmuckles posted:Free speech doesn't hurt anyone but that doesn't stop "Shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater" from being the first thing brought up every time. When's the last time that happened? I dunno, when that guy in Florida burnt all those Korans it got a lot of people in Afghanistan killed.
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RaySmuckles posted:Free speech doesn't hurt anyone but that doesn't stop "Shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater" from being the first thing brought up every time. When's the last time that happened? Certain minorities and transgender folks in particular off themselves or are assaulted all the time due to hateful speech though?
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Oct 12, 2015 06:00
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menino posted:The problem is that their dumb fearful political opinions have way too much influence over our laws. You can call them farmers if you want though. So the problem is that people disagree with you?
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Oct 12, 2015 06:09
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Effectronica posted:I feel like we're about at the time where gun owners insist they're like the main character in Equilibrium, and could easily pwn the weak, unmanly soldiers of a Democratic-fascist regime when they send in the black helicopters to take their guns away. Anyone else feel that? Your fever dream fantasy is never going to happen. Hopefully Bernie Sanders will pass some nice mental health laws so that you will get the help you need 
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Oct 12, 2015 06:15
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Powercrazy posted:So the problem is that people disagree with you? Yes, it is a problem when paranoid racist pig ignorant Republicans living in bumfuck nowhere have an undue influence on the majority due to their artificially inflated voting power.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:17
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Dead Reckoning posted:Are you are aware that metaphor comes from Schenck v. United States, a rather odious decision against free speech which has been subsequently abandoned? Why is that even relevant, the basic principle - that rights are subject to limitations based on principles of harm - is very widely accepted and his use of a common means of communicating that idea has nothing to do with the minutiae of an unrelated legal decision from which the phrase originates.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:20
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Powercrazy posted:Your fever dream fantasy is never going to happen. Hopefully Bernie Sanders will pass some nice mental health laws so that you will get the help you need Talking to yourself again? Another symptom for the records.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:22
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I think it's cool, and good, that criminals have to risk death or serious injury as they ply their trade.
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Oct 12, 2015 06:36
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-Troika- posted:I think it's cool, and good, that criminals have to risk death or serious injury as they ply their trade. Yeah, man, he coulda got away with like a hundred bucks or more. No way anyone's life is worth that.
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Armyman25 posted:I dunno, when that guy in Florida burnt all those Korans it got a lot of people in Afghanistan killed. DeusExMachinima posted:Certain minorities and transgender folks in particular off themselves or are assaulted all the time due to hateful speech though? YESSSS!!!! So in response to the initial question: Dead Reckoning posted:Ok, how many deaths per year constitutes a crisis worth defaulting to infringing on rights? Let's talk numbers. Your answer is "not many" which just so happens to be our opinion on 2nd amendment rights. So since there are many gun related deaths its stands to reason that that right can and should be limited. Thank you all, and good night! Dead Reckoning posted:Are you are aware that metaphor comes from Schenck v. United States, a rather odious decision against free speech which has been subsequently abandoned? Cool, thanks for the info, I wasn't arguing law theory. It is a "metaphor"
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Oct 12, 2015 06:47
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Starshark posted:Yeah, man, he coulda got away with like a hundred bucks or more. No way anyone's life is worth that. These people have done the careful mental calculus on how they can kill somebody and legally get away with it. They fantasize about it. Nobody really gives a poo poo if their crappy DVD player is stolen or someone tries to steal $400 from a Burger King cash register... but that sweet sweet rush of taking another person's life with no consequences and be hailed as a hero by fellow mouthbreathers 
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-Troika- posted:I think it's cool, and good, that criminals have to risk death or serious injury as they ply their trade. I think it's extremely win that losing a library book and having to pay to replace it means that you'll be trying to kill me for being a criminal if you ever see me. Hopefully, your aim is really lovely and all the semen on your guns keeps them in rotten condition.
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Periodiko posted:Why is that even relevant, the basic principle - that rights are subject to limitations based on principles of harm - is very widely accepted and his use of a common means of communicating that idea has nothing to do with the minutiae of an unrelated legal decision from which the phrase originates. RaySmuckles posted:YESSSS!!!!
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Reminder that today, people have already died because of guns, and more will die because of guns before the day is over.
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Oct 12, 2015 07:39
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Starshark posted:Yeah, man, he coulda got away with like a hundred bucks or more. No way anyone's life is worth that. Apparently it was worth his life! lynch_69 posted:These people have done the careful mental calculus on how they can kill somebody and legally get away with it. They fantasize about it. Nobody really gives a poo poo if their crappy DVD player is stolen or someone tries to steal $400 from a Burger King cash register... but that sweet sweet rush of taking another person's life with no consequences and be hailed as a hero by fellow mouthbreathers Somehow I don't think the imaginary people in your head are the ones jerking off over those kinds of thoughts.
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Oct 12, 2015 08:19
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Ddraig posted:They'd have to have some amazing gun-kata to survive multiple drone strikes. Clearly we need to start drone strikes in Chicago to end gun violence.
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Oct 12, 2015 08:24
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-Troika- posted:Apparently it was worth his life! Well that at least explains why you defend guns and cops killing perps all the time. You have no idea about the value of a human life.
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Oct 12, 2015 08:32
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Starshark posted:Well that at least explains why you defend guns and cops killing perps all the time. You have no idea about the value of a human life. More like I value the lives of criminals willing to do an armed robbery in a restraunt full of people less than I do the other people in the restraunt. Not all human lives have equal value.
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-Troika- posted:More like I value the lives of criminals willing to do an armed robbery in a restraunt full of people less than I do the other people in the restraunt. I bet you think you just said something that refutes my argument.
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Your complaint that I don't value human lives like you do? That's not an argument, that's an opinion.
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-Troika- posted:More like I value the lives of criminals willing to do an armed robbery in a restraunt full of people less than I do the other people in the restraunt. So, in other words, you're a fifth-columnist attempting to undermine American values, or a huge sexist. It clearly says in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal", so either you disagree or you take the linguistic sexism and make it more overt by declaring women to be inferior to men. If you actually reply to this substantially, it will take me a while to responds, as my home will be frozen over and the livestock will have all escaped.
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quote:Dear Lord, our Heavenly Father, Do this prayer once a day and post this to 20 of your friends or the ghost of Trayvon Martin will make all your Guns jam and steal your Skittles!
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menino posted:That's funny because bullets travel, often far enough to leave people's property
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Effectronica posted:So, in other words, you're a fifth-columnist attempting to undermine American values, or a huge sexist. It clearly says in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal", so either you disagree or you take the linguistic sexism and make it more overt by declaring women to be inferior to men. If you actually reply to this substantially, it will take me a while to responds, as my home will be frozen over and the livestock will have all escaped. created equal. If you gradually morph into a piece of poo poo who points a gun at people to steal $50, than yes you are worth less than a surgeon or cop.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm not the one proposing restricting others' rights. You support restricting rights all the time. Rights are not something you intrinsically have, they are given to you by society and enforced by the state, and they can stop giving them to you at any time as well, such as when someone is incarcerated. And unless you're some sort of libertarian anarchist you support this. So your argument of "b-b-b-b-but you're taking away my rights" is just fallacious emotional scaremongering, and a tactic that was used by slave holders during the Civil War no less. The question isn't and has never been "Should this right be taken away" it's "should this right be given". So why should we give you the right to own a gun?
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Who What Now posted:You support restricting rights all the time. Rights are not something you intrinsically have, they are given to you by society and enforced by the state, and they can stop giving them to you at any time as well, such as when someone is incarcerated. And unless you're some sort of libertarian anarchist you support this. So your argument of "b-b-b-b-but you're taking away my rights" is just fallacious emotional scaremongering, and a tactic that was used by slave holders during the Civil War no less. The question isn't and has never been "Should this right be taken away" it's "should this right be given". So why should we give you the right to own a gun? The right to own a gun's already been given in this country. No one needs to ask you for it.
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-Troika- posted:The right to own a gun's already been given in this country. No one needs to ask you for it. "Because it already is" is not a valid reason to continue doing so. If it were we'd have never gotten rid of slavery. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Who What Now posted:"Because it already is" is not a valid reason to continue doing so. If it were we'd have never gotten rid of slavery. If that's the way you believe, feel free to start lobbying for the overturning of the 2nd Amendment. I won't hold my breath for your efforts, though. The fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, a majority of the populace, and the courts of the land, support individual gun ownership. Mass confiscation is a logistical impossibility as well.
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-Troika- posted:If that's the way you believe, feel free to start lobbying for the overturning of the 2nd Amendment. I won't hold my breath for your efforts, though. Oh I have no illusions that anything meaningful will ever be done about guns in this nation. A man could literally shoot an entire elementary school while screaming "I'm doing this solely because I had access to guns!" and we still wouldn't pass a single law to prevent it from happening again. There are too many guns and too many people clinging to them like the security blanket they are, and any effort beyond Internet posting trying to change anything is wasted. We will continue to be the only developed nation on the planet well after me and my children pass away, until we inevitably destroy ourselves outright.
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Who What Now posted:until we inevitably destroy ourselves outright. Maybe if other countries had more guns they'd have a chance.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:When a gun fires the bullet that ends a life, the gun is partly responsible for the death. Not guilty, because it is an inanimate object, but responsible. It is involved. It is the cause of the death. The death occurred because of the gun. I hear the killer breathed air, and drank water, too. Clearly the environment bears responsibility for this terrible crime for sustaining their life.
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tumblr.txt posted:created equal. If you gradually morph into a piece of poo poo who points a gun at people to steal $50, than yes you are worth less than a surgeon or cop. Well, unfortunately for you, Americans don't idolize caste societies. Fervently advocating for underclasses, instead of pretending they don't exist, is simply seditious, unAmerican behavior, and incompatible with living here. I would suggest Saudi Arabia or Bhutan as more your speed.
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Who What Now posted:Oh I have no illusions that anything meaningful will ever be done about guns in this nation. A man could literally shoot an entire elementary school while screaming "I'm doing this solely because I had access to guns!" and we still wouldn't pass a single law to prevent it from happening again. There are too many guns and too many people clinging to them like the security blanket they are, and any effort beyond Internet posting trying to change anything is wasted. We will continue to be the only developed nation on the planet well after me and my children pass away, until we inevitably destroy ourselves outright. I think a more realistic scenario would be him blaming your posting, but I don't see the first amendment going anywhere either.
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Powercrazy posted:I think a more realistic scenario would be him blaming your posting, but I don't see the first amendment going anywhere either. No, I like these threads. For some reason guns make people in D&D flip out even more than they do about Israel.
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