SunAndSpring posted:

So are the wheels of the bonecycle a part of 6 Juggernaut Star?

Who What Now posted:

So someone help me out here. From what I understand 82 White Chain met with the leader of the Angels, or at least throes that aren't Thorns now, who is 2 Michael. 2 Michael was angry at 82 White Chain for failing to bring Allison to him immediately, and had 82's body destroyed, sending her to...wherever it is angels go. The void? Anyway she quickly thereafter meets 6 Juggernaut Star, who invites her to tea and to discuss prospects of working with one another. 6 Juggernaut explains what the key in Alison's head is, a key forged from the power of the angel 1 Metatron, and that he needs for the key to be united with Alison's boyfriend, who he believes to be the successor to the Old King. 6 Juggernaut himself does not want this, he wants to purge Throne of all non-Angels, but his master does, whom I presume to be 1 Metatron. With the Old King's heir/reincarnation brought to Metatron the angel will be reborn whole again. 82 White Chain doesn't want to work with the Thorns, and so now they are threatening her by executing 23 Delicious.

That last part is what I don't quite understand, why is 23 there, how did they get there, and what exactly is the point of executing them? I can understand if it's partially to try and coerce 82, but when she agrees to help 6 is still going through with the execution. What would have 6 done if 82 had leapt at the offer from the start? Would he still have brought her here and kill 23 in front of her?

SunAndSpring posted:

I think that you either have to get your armor fixed (such as when Allison removed the needle from 82's face after Delicious ganked her) or wait for ages to get reincarnated. Note how 2 Michael doesn't seem to be wearing armor, meaning he stuck it out and got his real body back, and the other Primes are still reforming after getting owned, both in Throne and in the Void. Judging from the fact that there's a bunch of broken Root Knight armor in the Concordance, I'm guessing one of the Laws the angels follow prohibits them from fixing their own armor or some poo poo, and that Thorns and Petals don't really give a poo poo. At least that's my thoughts. Probably off the mark in some way. I wonder if Abaddon will clarify it in the future or explain it outside of the comic.

wiegieman posted:

Crowdsourced profundity, man. It's a little weird how well it's worked.

M. Propagandalf posted:

New Page!

http://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wielder-of-names-2-29/

Cat Mattress posted:

Yep. He filled the role of both White Chain and Cio, in that he was Allison's supernatural guide and mentor into a world of surreal zaniness.

The story itself is short enough to be read quickly, and it can be interesting just to see how the content changed and was reworked; but the MSPA forums really need something like SA has so you can filter a thread to only see one poster's comment and ignore the rest.

Here, post #206 is Oscar/Dhothuulmell's detailed introduction in the protostory.

Captain Oblivious posted:

Kill Six Billion Demons is often made out to be way way more confusing than it actually is and I don't know why.

paradoxGentleman posted:

It is of course possible that I might simply be an idiot.

Things that I do not understand, off thr top of my head.
-What do the Thorns want, exactly? They are an accepted faction amongst angels, and 06 Juggernaut had some vaguely nihilist plans, but it's not clear how much of them are the angel's personal plan and how much is their faction's.
-What authority do the angels have, since the authority that created them is now little more than part of the architecture?
-What does a demon need to do to "improve" their name, once they have a single one remaining? One of the background red demons says that they used to be a gold one before their name "grew old" and Vladok seems interested in improving his, so it is possible.
-How does thst Sphinx guild master fit in this cosmology?


Basically I care way more about this wicked cool world that I am seeing than I do about Allison and Zaid. I accept that we must follow them if we are to see more of it, and I am sympathetic enough that I would care at least Allison met an ignominous death, but I am mostly here for the worldbuilding.

paradoxGentleman posted:

I assume this naming thing is only applicable to a demon in this unstable state, otherwise anyone with an interest in keeping them under control would just slap a bunch of names on every demon and slow their ascension to ebon significantly.

paradoxGentleman posted:

Oh.
One wonders if it would be a good idea to swallow those again, if they give similar powers. A shame she's in an hurry and also would not want to do it anyway.

ElMaligno posted:

being perpetually drunk is the best because you would never ever be hungover.

Renaissance Robot posted:

I would like to know the deal with those book head guys

SunAndSpring posted:

So none of the other demiurges know that Zoss was killed? Hmm, wonder if Incubus was the one who found him and set up a deal with the Thorn Knights to kill him off.

wiegieman posted:

There's advanced technology in the multiverse, the Demiurges just keep it to themselves. It would all be reduced to ash in a single searing moment of godly regard anyway.

MikeJF posted:

True, though it always bugs me when you have a setting that claims this but then their rich and powerful don't actually seem to have better things and creature comforts than us in lots of smaller areas.

Does Mottom's bed have magical memory foam? We'll see.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

NecroMonster posted:

We don't really know exactly how the "no lies" thing works. We may find out very soon.

Captain Redbeard posted:

On this page the bouncer at the guilded cage implies the destruction of White Chain's body would lead to her reincarnation.


I don't think White Chain ever was a prime angel. Michael's lesson to White Chain about the prime angels would be weird if she were one too.

Edit: VVV The old devils tale mentions 777 smoking shards of the cold white flame. But does that mean there are 777 prime angels, or 777 angels total? White chain describes her fire as smokeless, also, so maybe neither is true.

paranoid randroid posted:

on the topic of devils - its pretty conclusive that their masks are what house their personalities and so forth, yeah? Preem Nands """"girls"""" seem to have some kind of consistency to them, despite being formed from a couple randomly selected faceless things. Vladok lost himself when he broke his mask and got reformed as Luna Longname.

hell this might have even been stated outright at some point, i cant remember

e. actually on the flip side, Ciocie seems to have some kind of continuity between herself and the her that stole the gate key, before being demoted. so maybe thats not how it works. all i know is that maskless devils are brainless chaotic assholes.

Captain Redbeard posted:

Artifice is a good name for the skill, but for ranks of power i don't know if it works. It needs to fit in sentences like this: "Start with 1 Insight and Scry, you still may not have more than 1 Insight at character creation" "Use Prophecy, Scry, and Sense at +1 Insight. You can learn these Arts even if you otherwise have no Insight."

Wow, way to answer all of our previous speculation in one update!
White chain dies a lot to get all the way to 82... Have we seen a higher number yet?

Roland Jones posted:

Minor detail I liked, Michael's form in the Void still has the spears in it.

Renaissance Robot posted:

It's arguable that it makes some sense (calling all angels he even though gender is a concept that doesn't seem especially applicable to them as individuals) as they're formed from part of the masculine white flame.

Devils are formed from part of the feminine black flame and skew heavily feminine in appearance, though they seem much less uptight about changing that as they grow.


e/ Mike is definitely sexist as gently caress, but his beef with White Chain is that they're too human. Using "her" would, from his perspective, be reinforcing that they're not really an angel anymore, because "he" is what angels are. I don't know if I'm making sense.

Dr Christmas posted:

2 Michael's that one relative shouting "HIS name is BRUCE Jenner!" at Thanksgiving dinner.

Renaissance Robot posted:

I think that's more what I was trying to get at, that he flat doesn't believe White Chain so his idea is to go talk to the guy they just told him is at the root of the problem, and that this is a fairly old patriarchal routine.

I'm pretty doped up at the minute, not surprised I make even less sense than usual.

December Octopodes posted:

She will probably do a full heel turn at some point, and there will be flirtation with a face turn deeper down the line.