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Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Wow the elementalist spec looks insanely good. Wooden Potatoes is doing an amazing overview of the elite specs atm and holy poo poo I'm so hyped.

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gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Kiwi fruit quaggans

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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Harrow posted:

If you want both, you'll need to buy both. That said, I think you'll probably only need to buy Heart of Thorns if you actually want to play Heart of Thorns, since there's no expansion-to-expansion progression.

I reserve the right to be wrong if it turns out you need gliding from HoT or something and they don't also give it to you pin Path of Fire, but I kinda doubt they'd do that.

i have a feeling that gliding is going to work like it does in the main world map: nice but not specifically necessary

they're making a point to sell the expansions as separate entities (with a small discount if buying both together) so i have doubts that anything actually important is going to require stuff from HoT specifically

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Ok scourge is starting to look a lot better than the preview vid would have you believe. F1 spawns shades from life force, and you have a bar of skills above your weapon skills for shade abilities. Micro ahoy!

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Johnny Joestar posted:

i have a feeling that gliding is going to work like it does in the main world map: nice but not specifically necessary

they're making a point to sell the expansions as separate entities (with a small discount if buying both together) so i have doubts that anything actually important is going to require stuff from HoT specifically

Yeah, that sounds about right. They could also have a new, PoF-specific gliding mastery that will provide you the basic ability to glide if you don't already have it from HoT, and then some new gliding things that are special for PoF areas. Though, mounts seem like they're probably going to be the big movement thing this time, so there wouldn't be much need for that.

Go RV!
Jun 19, 2008

Uglier on the inside.

Harrow posted:

Yeah, that sounds about right. They could also have a new, PoF-specific gliding mastery that will provide you the basic ability to glide if you don't already have it from HoT, and then some new gliding things that are special for PoF areas. Though, mounts seem like they're probably going to be the big movement thing this time, so there wouldn't be much need for that.

They said it was a stand-alone expansion, so I don't believe that there's going to be much overlap with gliding at all.

Like, I expect it to be completely separate systems. Though I do wonder if you can glide with mounts at all.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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gandlethorpe posted:

Ok scourge is starting to look a lot better than the preview vid would have you believe. F1 spawns shades from life force, and you have a bar of skills above your weapon skills for shade abilities. Micro ahoy!

i'm incredibly excited to have an alternate way to use life force that isn't just 'turn into a billowy pile of gently caress with legs and hit things', i gotta say

felch me daddy jr.
Oct 30, 2009

gandlethorpe posted:

Ok scourge is starting to look a lot better than the preview vid would have you believe. F1 spawns shades from life force, and you have a bar of skills above your weapon skills for shade abilities. Micro ahoy!

Yeah, WP is selling me on Scourge, lots of interesting support stuff and crazy condition damage potential.

Holy poo poo a grandmaster trait that gives you every boon you remove or corrupt.

Vatek
Nov 4, 2009

QUACKING PERMABANNED! READ HERE

~SMcD
Have they covered Firebrand at all?

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

I want to see the Weaver gameplay but I'll have to wait for the VoD :smith:

Go RV! posted:

They said it was a stand-alone expansion, so I don't believe that there's going to be much overlap with gliding at all.

Like, I expect it to be completely separate systems. Though I do wonder if you can glide with mounts at all.

Yeah, the only thing I could think about would be leaping up with the rabbit mount, dismounting at the very top of the arc, and gliding to get farther than you could with gliding or mounts alone, but that might not be possible (like, you just might not be able to dismount mid-leap at all).

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Vatek posted:

Have they covered Firebrand at all?

Done ele and necro so far, doing warrior atm

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Warriors get both main-hand and off-hand dagger. Spellbreaker is inspired by the GW1 domination mesmer!

nessin
Feb 7, 2010
Weird that Mesmer, Engineer, and Revenant didn't get a weapon announcement. I suppose Engineer's holoweapons may count but still seems kinda sucky considering I like Rev and Engi.

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



spellbreaker looks really interesting for WvW

felch me daddy jr.
Oct 30, 2009
OK so the Spellbreaker looks like it'll be completely and utterly useless in PvE, which sucks. Not useless like "not optimal DPS" like Scrapper or whatever, just in every way focused on PvP.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




tyblazitar posted:

OK so the Spellbreaker looks like it'll be completely and utterly useless in PvE, which sucks. Not useless like "not optimal DPS" like Scrapper or whatever, just in every way focused on PvP.

How so? I'm not able to watch the Wooden Potatoes thing :(

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



I'm happy with the expansion my main(engi) now uses light sabers.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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nessin posted:

Weird that Mesmer, Engineer, and Revenant didn't get a weapon announcement. I suppose Engineer's holoweapons may count but still seems kinda sucky considering I like Rev and Engi.

we know they have axe, sword and shortbow respectively so i feel the devs were more concerned w/ going over the changes to the class itself instead

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Some deadeye info from WP:

Has ammo as a mechanic. He didn't really go into it, but seems like an additional resource when using rifle.

Skill 5 - go prone and stealth. Locked in place but can dodge. Get extra (huge) range on weapon skills and double projectile speed.
Skill 4 - nuke skill with very high damage. If it hits you can shadow step backwards.
Other skills rip boons.

F1 - becomes targeted Mark. Builds malice every second. Traits and skills interact with malice.

Gets cantrips.

felch me daddy jr.
Oct 30, 2009

CLAM DOWN posted:

How so? I'm not able to watch the Wooden Potatoes thing :(

Mostly focused on boon stripping, interrupting/CC, damage bonus when the enemy isn't using skills, counters/parries, the new heal removes all your boons, that kind of stuff.

Buttstallion
Apr 24, 2015

a figment of Tiny Tina's imagination
Looks like Ultimate edition is going to be my birthday present to myself.

treizebee
Dec 30, 2011

Stage 3 oil injection
*New York Groove starts playing*

*Shadow Art thieves walk in*

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Mirage

Doesn't move when dodging
More stealth based
Gets stealth skills like thief
More focus on clones, they get some cool looking damage skills (crazy barrage scepter skill that they all use at once)

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



Good lord, the condi damage on that new mesmer, auto built up 16 torment like nothing.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




tyblazitar posted:

Mostly focused on boon stripping, interrupting/CC, damage bonus when the enemy isn't using skills, counters/parries, the new heal removes all your boons, that kind of stuff.

Gotcha, drat, that's too bad, I was looking forward to trying it on my warrior which I do not PvP on.

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



Not sure if anyone posted but new stat type


Power++/condi damage++/percision+/ferocity+

felch me daddy jr.
Oct 30, 2009
The 5 new zones together is larger than all the HoT zones and the 6 living story S3 zones added together.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

nessin posted:

Weird that Mesmer, Engineer, and Revenant didn't get a weapon announcement. I suppose Engineer's holoweapons may count but still seems kinda sucky considering I like Rev and Engi.

Axe, sword, and shortbow respectively. It's mentioned on the elite spec pages on the Path of Fire site.

Also I'm pretty sure Holosmith gets a sweet lightsaber skin.

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



FWIW, the people who were at the event all say that the Rev new spec was the winner or close to it, even though they didn't seem to get much video of it.

Forsythia
Jan 28, 2007

You want bad advice?

Anything is okay if you don't get caught!

... I hope this helps!
I thought that 4+ month content droughts were inevitable with expansions. They must have been furiously working behind the scenes to have this expansion spaced out like a standard content update.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




tyblazitar posted:

The 5 new zones together is larger than all the HoT zones and the 6 living story S3 zones added together.

gently caress yeah

felch me daddy jr.
Oct 30, 2009

Mizuti posted:

I thought that 4+ month content droughts were inevitable with expansions. They must have been furiously working behind the scenes to have this expansion spaced out like a standard content update.

They've had a separate team working on just the expansion since HoT launched.

Blasphemeral
Jul 26, 2012

Three mongrel men in exchange for a party member? I found that one in the Faustian Bargain Bin.
I am hype AF right now.

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

CLAM DOWN posted:

Gotcha, drat, that's too bad, I was looking forward to trying it on my warrior which I do not PvP on.

We could be dealing with heavy boon focused mobs in PvE that would play to the spellbreakers strength and/or powerful spells with a long lead up time.

Forsythia
Jan 28, 2007

You want bad advice?

Anything is okay if you don't get caught!

... I hope this helps!

ArenaNet developer posted:

I've gotten a few questions about this: Mounts will be useable in the open world zones across Tyria, not just Path of Fire maps.

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Mizuti posted:

I thought that 4+ month content droughts were inevitable with expansions. They must have been furiously working behind the scenes to have this expansion spaced out like a standard content update.

I think they've been a lot smarter about their resources this time.

If you look at HoT in terms of features, there were loads. Guild halls, raids, vertical maps, gliding, a new class, masteries and a new WvW map.

It looks like in the new expansion they have mounts as the only big new feature and all the rest of the effort has gone into content and into getting the expansion out quicker.

You can see that the specialisations are way more interesting and deep because they didn't have to spend time on a whole new class and it seems like it's the same story with these vast new maps. Even the new masteries seem much more focused and useful rather than the rather stretched set we got initially.

Seems like anet have looked at HoT and worked out what went well and what went poorly and really refined their approach for this.

So hyped. Holy poo poo.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Mizuti posted:

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Why?! I'm so stoked to use mounts everywhere, it would be terrible if I had to go to the new zones to use one and couldn't prance around guild missions or DR with my new mount.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

CLAM DOWN posted:

Why?! I'm so stoked to use mounts everywhere, it would be terrible if I had to go to the new zones to use one and couldn't prance around guild missions or DR with my new mount.

I'll be interested to see how people break out of the old maps using the new movement mechanics.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

It'd be kinda cool to see mounts in WvW but I guess that won't happen for the same reason as gliding

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Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

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i'm kind of glad they didn't dump a bunch of resources into playable tengu or whatever which would have just been a model-swapped charr with yet another boring personal story

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