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jrodefeld posted:I'm going to throw in a curve-ball here and talk about another so-called "property" right that isn't actually property at all. That is what is called Intellectual Property. Libertarians oppose the existence of so-called "intellectual property" at all. But why would that be? The reason is that property is only a coherent and useful concept when it applies to things that are scarce. Copying a movie cannot be theft if you owned the original that you made a copy from. No one else was deprived of any physical possession whatsoever. Since copying can be done, theoretically infinitely, without depriving anyone of their copy, there is no scarcity and no theft. Patents on inventions present a similar case. Ideas are not scarce. If you freely share an idea and someone emulates or improves upon that idea, society is all the better off. Today, in "questions jrod will never answer": why should I spend tens of millions of dollars to develop a new cancer drug without any hope of making my money back in libertopia?
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Lumpen posted:"Today, in "questions jrod will never answer": why didn't I spend tens of millions of dollars to develop a new cancer drug without any hope of making my money back in libertopia?" "Apple Computer does not require patents and copyrights* to exist in anything resembling its current form." - An idiot You didn't even quote me right. * e: and most of all trademarks! I'm sure Apple would be able to charge a massive premium for its brand if any bottom-dollar manufacturer was able to replicate it, right? Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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Oct 9, 2015 21:03
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Pegged Lamb posted:The declaration "Governments only role should be to guard property rights" makes me exsanguinate. You should be permabanned then.
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Oct 10, 2015 00:07
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Hey Caros: you're cool. But don't become Reverse Jrod by posting a billion words as response to his billion words. I like your effort posts on actual issues, but beyond that, gently caress him, just get a bunch of zingers in, that's what the thread is for.
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Oct 10, 2015 06:40
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Caros posted:Besides, I'm stuck in the backwoods part of fucknowhere. What else am I going to do? Fair enough. Caros posted:Little late to 'become' that since it's pretty much my shtick. Your posts on e.g. health care were really good, it's just that this is some abstract and poorly-thought-out bullshit which doesn't deserve a deep response. In fairness, though, we all gotta have hobbies, so whatever.
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Oct 10, 2015 06:53
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jrodefeld posted:It is entirely reasonable and moral for the person who finds an apple, and already has sufficient nutrition to sustain his own life, to share the food with a person who is starving. Such an act would be virtuous and worthy of praise. Today in "questions jrod will never answer": are you aware that other people have systems of morality which don't take the NAP to be their first axiom? And that under these systems, compelling people away from immoral behavior might be completely moral?
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Oct 10, 2015 09:30
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jrodefeld posted:The only just way to do this, in my view, is to follow the principle of syndicalism. If no original owner (or descendant) can be identified as having homesteaded the land when it was seized by the State, then the second most just way to allocate the property into private hands is to grant it to the workers who work the land. The factories to the factory owners, the farms to the farmers, the State function buildings to the workers employed there, etc. Jesus Christ.
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Oct 10, 2015 09:40
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This is v. v. good and if I were god emperor of D&D I would mandate that people exclusively quote this toward jrod until he explains comprehensively how none of that mattered, rather than ask individual questions. Because this is a post he will definitely ignore otherwise.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:51
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Cemetry Gator posted:When you say I can do what I want to my own body as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else, what does that mean? Pseudo-stoicism is intrinsic in libertarianism. Total stoicism makes some sense, even if it's not great; sure, you just punched me in the face, but I am in control of my own mind, and while pain signals may be involuntary, my response to those pain signals is totally voluntary. "I am the captain of my soul" etc. etc. Libertarians generally say that emotional harm is non-actionable, because in principle, we should be able to have the power to interpret it as we will, and therefore as beep-boop types we need not suffer harm from seeing our heroin addicted friends. As a former libertarian, there exists a real fear, suspicion and hatred of arbitrariness. If you permit the creation of laws against anything which might make people feel bad, you can forbid anything, arbitrarily. If you permit the creation of laws against some of those things, well, that might function decently, but the line drawn will be arbitrary, and some bad laws will be passed. Therefore, laws based around people's feelings cannot be permitted.
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Oct 12, 2015 20:36
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HorseLord posted:*literally make children do a fascist oath in school every day * Congratulations on being a worse poster than jrod. Take a vacation, you've earned it.
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Oct 22, 2015 18:55
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Tesseraction posted:Not to argue against this but it blew my mind when I realised the Pledge of Allegiance was written by an openly socialist dude. Non-Stalinist "socialists" are all the stooges of the capitalist pig-dogs.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:04
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Nolanar posted:Can we ignore the Stalinist and get back to laughing at libertarians? I feel like a Stalinist mock thread would also be p. good.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:27
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HorseLord posted:are you seriously denying that paul robeson's career was destroyed by mccarthyism and that it made him cautious of it happening again Don't you agree that ruthlessly purging political dissenters is a good thing, though?
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Oct 22, 2015 19:56
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StandardVC10 posted:Many of the numbers are politicized but you're going to face a higher bar of skepticism if you want to bring them anywhere close to zero. From what I recall, fewer than a million people were straight-up executed. A lot of the deaths came from being sent to the gulag (which definitely increases one's chances of dying considerably, but isn't a direct death sentence), ethnic cleansing within the USSR, and things like the Holodomor, which no Stalinist is ever, ever going to blame the Soviet government for. "99% of the blood didn't exist" still only makes sense if you think people are claiming that Stalin killed, like, every single Soviet citizen, though.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:27
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HorseLord posted:"stalin's actual fuckups" are all things that the western bourgeois neither understood, or would see as bad things if they did. so that's why they resorted to making so much poo poo up I take it you regard being a paranoiac driven to murder all his old comrades as more of a character flaw than a gently caress up, per se.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:52
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Yo, jrod, which was more economically free, the Union or the Confederacy? I have a hunch as to which mises.org would pick...
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Nov 19, 2015 18:23
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It's impressive that somehow jrod has gotten worse in his time posting here. Verily, the Internet makes you stupid.
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Jan 18, 2016 01:58
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jrodefeld posted:It also could not be rationally considered a "civil war" since one side wanted to leave the Union peacefully This is a lie, and you are a goddamn idiot. The Confederacy was explicitly expansionist towards southern states that had shown themselves to be insufficiently treasonous. Just as one example, within five months of war breaking out the Confederates had already invaded Kentucky, which had taken an explicitly neutral position in the war. But I guess that was Lincoln's fault too, right?
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Jan 20, 2016 05:10
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Panzeh posted:The invasion of Mexico in 1848 was a thoroughly Southern enterprise, too. Eh, it's hard to hold that one against them too much. Be honest, if you had the opportunity to steal California (plus some other junk, I guess) wouldn't you take it in a heartbeat? Note: answering no to this question disqualifies you from eventual membership in Valhalla DRO.
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Jan 20, 2016 05:18
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DrProsek posted:Marx wrote a letter to Lincoln congratulating him on him on ending slavery at the end of the Civil War. For those who don't know, Marx's coverage of the Civil War make for some truly fascinating reading. Most of the southern revisionism we see today actually originated with the London press of the time, which was heavily pro-Confederacy, and Marx was there to debunk poo poo like "well, you see, this is actually a dispute over tariffs and Northern exploitation" in real time. It's also amusing because he clearly knew nothing about military strategy, thought Lincoln was an empty suit long past the point where he'd proven otherwise, and was inexplicably John C. Fremont fanboy. But the positives of his reporting vastly outweigh the negatives.
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Jan 20, 2016 05:25
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jrodefeld posted:Are you suggesting that colonialism has something to do with libertarianism? The same libertarians who hold up Switzerland as the model of how a society ought to interact with the rest of the world (complete neutrality, non-intervention)? For a person who believes that society doesn't exist and that only individuals do (or rather, that "society" is merely defined as a set of individuals), you sure do use the word a lot in terms of its common meaning.
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Feb 2, 2016 20:25
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TLM3101 posted:Or, hell, the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie ( VoC ) which was the first multinational company in the world That's an interesting bit of economic history. My mind immediately went to the Medici bank as a counterexample, but I can see why that'd be treated more as a confederacy of individual banks than anything else.
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Nolanar posted:I can't stop responding to this dumb loving post help help Let's just post this over and over until he cries.
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