Why Should We Care About Property Rights?

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E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

Query: in this hypothetical libertarian utopia how does one try and crawl out of a debt pit?

As it is today, thanks to loose regulations, being poor is expensive as gently caress. Imagine living paycheck to paycheck and oops, there was a delay on your check going through. Now you have a choice. You can either pay the money now and have your account go overdrawn, or be thrown out because you can't pay rent.

Choose to be thrown out: Congratulations on your new choice of habitation, hope you've got a nice warm car to sleep in during the night, it's cold outside. Shower? Food storage? gently caress that. Nobody needs *those* luxuries. I mean unless you want to keep your job, then you probably should shower. . . And want to eat food that's not literally fast food and unhealthy poo poo you probably want some sort of fridge.

Choose to pay now anyway: You're hit by a fee for your account being overdrawn. It doesn't matter if there was a delay on the bank's end for your money not being there. You now have to pay a fee on *top* of still struggling to survive, essentially just pushing the problem down the road to possibly a few days from now.

Choose to say gently caress this, go to the Bank Manager's house: Be careful, you don't want to eat Rich Foods too quickly lest you get a stomach ache.

jrodefeld posted:

The issue I am trying to get across is that if you took a situation where humans are suffering in abject poverty and starvation in a third world African country and your solution is simply for them to implement redistributive policies that take the wealth of the dictator and the (relatively speaking) "wealthy" and divided that money between the poor people of that country, you would have hardly helped anyone. Redistributing wealth in a tiny pie where there is not much wealth to go around skirts the real issue. Yes, if tyrants run your government and hoard all the wealth that does exist, they can seem relatively comfortable. And there is no question they ought to be ousted from power and are clearly exploiters of the poor and everyone else who isn't a member of the dictator's regime.

So tell me, do you not see the *massive* cognitive dissonance between saying what I've bolded here, and then saying this?

jrodefeld posted:

Just taking money from richer people and giving it to poorer people in Africa doesn't solve this essential problem.

So you're saying that we should oust dictators in power because they are hoarding all the wealth and causing untold suffering.
but we can't take money from these dictators, presumably we just throw all the money no longer being hoarded by the dictators into a big bonfire, and give it to the people who actually loving need it?

You also see absolutely no parallel between the dictator that hoards wealth and lives like a king comparably to those around him/not part of his family, and the rich 'gently caress You, Got Mine' dickwipes who constantly gently caress over everyone else in the name of profits?

Want to see what happens when there's not a regulation to stop a company from bending people over and loving them until money falls out of their pockets?

Look no further.
This douchebag pays 55 Million to buy the rights to a drug. This is a drug that people *need* to live. If you've got AIDS it's incredibly easy to get toxoplasmosis due to that compromised immune system. Same with pregnancies or chemotherapy. You know, people who already have enough to worry about financially.

750$ a tablet. For a months supply, assuming it's taken daily is $225,00. According to that article people with good insurance would still probably be paying $150 a tablet, or $4500.

Why? "We have to turn a profit." So you weren't turning a profit when you paid the 55 million for the rights? Or were you just looking for some way to gently caress over as many people as possible at the same time?

And you're wanting us to drop all regulations, drop all requirements of a business to *not* do poo poo like this.

How exactly is this dickbag any different from those dictators in Africa hoarding wealth and loving over people?

E-Tank fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Oct 11, 2015

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E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

Caros posted:

I know you're right. But there is always hope. Right? Right?

Have I ever told you the definition of Insanity? :vas:

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# ¿ Oct 12, 2015 05:19

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Caros posted:

Not to exploit what is undoubtedly a difficult situation, but how the gently caress do conjoined twins fit into Self-Ownership? I mean I know its pretty much the ultimate niche case, but my wife brought it up to me earlier and my brain is now totally fried.

Which twin could survive if the other was removed surgically? Survival of the fittest shows that whomever would be able to live apart would be the 'self owner' with the other one just along for the ride. :v:

# ¿ Oct 13, 2015 06:06

E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

jrodefeld in a world without regulations, whats to stop a dickcheese like this guy just pricing all the medicine that can save lives so that only the rich and wealthy can pay for it?

Since I know you won't go back and read what I said on that before.

jrodefeld posted:

gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore.

You are the coward. You wouldn't dare speak to me that way in person but, surrounded by 25 of your like-minded internet buddies and made anonymous by your IP address you act like a tough guy.

Why wouldn't he dare to speak to you that way in person, if I might ask? Should he be afraid you'd beat him up?

E-Tank fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 15, 2015

# ¿ Oct 15, 2015 10:44

E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

Guys, if he can stop and realize that we're not beep boop androids trying to bring about the glorious communist revolution and do in fact have reasons for believing the way we do, he might stop being quite the aggravating jerk. No offense meant, Jrode.

If you like RPGs I *really* recommend Undertale. It's a beautiful little RPG that keeps track of almost everything you do, and it's really funny.

And you don't have to kill anyone.

E-Tank fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Oct 16, 2015

# ¿ Oct 16, 2015 11:34

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Bryter posted:

Speak for yourself pal.

I *mean*, that we're not just wanting to bring about said glorious communist revolution for shits and giggles, or because we want to be contrarian, or even that we think it'd be funny.

We're more inclined towards socialist policies because of things we've experienced, and studies/research we've done.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2015 11:48

E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

VitalSigns posted:

drat it y'all broke jrod's new "I'm more leftist than thou, watch me namedrop Lysander Spooner while I quote fascists" stratagem when you called him out on ranking Middle Eastern slave-state dictatorships "more free" than the US because slavery is profitable, I don't think he's coming back

Is it too much to hope he's actually doing what he said, lurking, and actually trying to understand the community?

. . . Probably. :sigh:

# ¿ Oct 28, 2015 05:29

E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

Cemetry Gator posted:

Now the thing about power companies is that there can only be one really servicing an area (it gets a little weird because you do have 'choice' but not really). After all, only so much electricity can be flowing through the lines, and the way our power grid works, you can't have 20,000 lines from 20,000 different plants trying to service the same area. It's a grid of power. Frankly, JRod, I'd love to hear you explain how electricity would work in a libertarian environment, because as I said, you can't have individualized power grids for each company. There can really only be one.

Each power company hopeful would come together and do battle with swords, at the end whomever has the most heads has been chosen. For as we all know, there can BE ONLY ONE.

. . .I'll get my coat.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2015 22:55

E-Tank: Aug 4, 2011

paragon1 posted:

Just sent out a PM containing the relevant Google doc links. If you still want to participate, please let me know! Also let me know if you said you wanted to participate and you didn't get a PM.

I'd participate! Or at least sit in the cheap seats and throw popcorn. But I don't have PMs.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2015 00:35