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jrodefeld posted:You know the libertarian ideology fairly well by now after all that I've posted. You obviously cannot think that any libertarian would support a fascist police state . Remember the loving non-aggression principle I remind you of every other post?! It is literally the starting point of libertarian ethics. Have you ever heard of a fascist police state that doesn't aggress against people? Got two words for you. South Africa. Want me to dig up some famous libertarian paeans to he glories of the advanced capitalist natural elite that heroically tried to keep the lessers in check (for their own good, and with violence if necessary) and create prosperity, or can we just skip that step because you'll ignore it? Hell, even in TYOOL 2015 you can go to Reason and other libertarian publications and see SA (And Rhodesia for those who are more, ahem, passionate) used as examples of the failures of democracy and the virtues of harsh ruled by "natural" elites. Natural as in white. Also, hot drat your ideology has bad faith bred into its very bones. What exactly counts as 'proof of property' when we are talking about the plundering and relocation of thousands of people? What proof of ownership would native people al across the world be able to offer to conquerors then or now that they would have accepted? "This is the hole in my land that our great ancestor hosed to claim it for us. Get back on your ships and leave, trespasser". Even if for some twist of fate a tribal leader managed to sneak off to London/Rio or some other imperialist capital and somehow get a deed for his people's lands, that would have been subverted/anulled in no time by the property-minded invaders. Plunder WAS the enterprise. And I love it when Hong Kong is brought out as a gambit. That' when you know they have nothing. Yeah, a historically strategic port, stolen (guess the Chinese lost the deed somewhere, or we'd surely have given it back) by the world's top imperialist power as its crown jewel in the region and protected/developed, it's just the same as any dust-farming village west of Tibet. Here's a hint, Jrod: if you wanna argue the virtues of laissez faire, steer far, far away from anywhere and anything Imperial Britain touched. Because 1- they eft a wake of misery and death in their wake that even Stalin would be proud of, and 2- their adherence to "property rights" was endlessly flexible.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:lmao "you' wouldn't start poo poo with me when i'm with my Economy Club Boys, we'll go all kinds of chicago school on your a**" You're laughing now, but remember that they can pass the hat around their grandparents to secure capital and hire the fearsome meth-head bum Shingles who lives just off-campus to provide extra non-coercive muscle. (remember that tyrannical sate measures like decent rehab clinics and mental care would further strangle the economy by ending this entrepreneurial option for voluntary security deals) And if Shingles decides that it's a better time preference to just shake them upside down cartoon-style for change, or is outbid by a goon offering a sweet sugary Faygo case, well, that's just the market asserting itself.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:19
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Just a few reminders of the ironclad importance of freedom and property rights for the creme de la creme of libertarian thought. Reason Magazine doing the Time warp! “It is possible that in the past decade no country has moved further toward a libertarian society than South Africa has. Yes—South Africa.” "As I have stressed in a previous report [December 1973], in South Africa the chickens of democracy have come home to roost. Some years ago, the whites realized that a democracy may deteriorate into a dictatorship in the “wrong” hands-especially when those hands have the wrong color to boot." Grr, those lazy, freedom-hating blacks! 'The economy is in a complete state of chaos. And because the inhabitants equate 'freedom' with freedom from work, the chances for any improvement seem remote.' “Let the people who advocate immediate majority rule in South Africa and Rhodesia take note. It would be very nice to have a minimal libertarian government and that is what South African libertarians would like to achieve. But as long as the choice is between being governed by a relatively informed white minority and a Socialist black majority, ‘apartheid’ in South Africa will stay.” It astounds me how little difference there is between then and now in libertarian discourse. Other than the addition of the term "time preference", it's pretty much the same. loving Wahabbist clerics recycle their thoughts more often. Your intellectual forebears were defending and pronlonguing slavery, never freeing slaves. They were exploiting racism, tradition and superstition to hog more for themselves and less for everyone else. If Jonas Salk had been a libertarian, Big Iron Lung would be a lobby as powerful as the NRA today. Western progressives have been pelted with the rubble of the Berlin Wall as if we'd been in Charge in Eastern Europe in the 20th century, but your band of little psychos has never acknowledged, or apologized, for anything. It reminds me of the guy from the other thread who was all frothy about how everyone should be like Rorschach from Watchmen and "Never, EVER compromise, not even facing armageddon!", but couldn't be bothered to face the slightest incovenience himself despite being allegedly under the state's unfeeling, cruel jackboot. Not tax protesting, not moving, not anything. So there you have it, Jrod. Your side's definition of property is laughable. It makes Calvinball look stable and dignified. It's the most important foundation of liberty and society, BUT vast majorities of people cannot be trusted with it. It is the basis of all other freedoms and rights BUT sometimes we'll just have to annex a country or three worth of resources and tut-tut at your descendants when they want it back because they didn't properly notarize their own sacking and kept no receipts. And of course it allows for correction of injustices and abuses, provided it keeps with our tradition of having the will to correct something be inversely proportional to the ability to to do so. "See, we'd love to compensate the genocide and theft of Native lands, but it's too hard. And it'd be simple to make some amend for the descendants of slaves, but we...don't really care to." Cato's little lists of 'free' countries are always a laugh riot. They alternate between blowjobbing monarchies and authoritarian fiefs because they have no minimum wage and low taxes and grudgingly including 'socialist' countries with high standards of life like New Zealand and Denmark to at least try and pretend that they aren't advocating for large-scale oppression. I expect we won't see any exodus of the so very oppressed libertarian masses (chortle) to the teeming shores on the UAE or Qatar, where they would soon discover the many and varied bounties of 'freedom' upon those of no connections or wrong ethnicity/religion.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:33
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For those wanting to see the approximate effect DROs would have on a community, read a bit into the militia movement in brazilian favelas, or just watch the movie Tropa de Elite 2. Short version: Rio's shantytowns have been ruled by drug gangs since the late 1960s, turning them into a stateless void. In the early 2000s, 'local' militias formed to try and wrest back control from them, composed of security workers, retired/off duty cops, and anyone they could recruit. They had some success in a few favelas, and were hailed as a great development by the media. Soon enough, reality asserted itself. The drug gangs were horrible, but they also had a vested interest in not making GBS threads where they ate, and made their money outside the favelas. For the militias, squeezing the favela for protection against the drug gangs was the whole idea. People living there were were now being charged out the nose for cooking gas, electricity (obtained through illegal shunts of the public lines), 'security' and you name it. Anyone not on board with the program was beaten up at best, tortured and disappeared at worst. Journalists trying to investigate the situation were murdered. In a few cases, undercover reporters were sold out to the militia by their own bosses. Before too long, politicians were 'contracting' the militias to make sure the local population voted for them in legislative election, meaning the there was an actual militia caucus forming.
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Nov 3, 2015 18:30
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Yeah. My dot-outside-the-curve slavic girl libertarian friend always kept sending me links about what a great thing the militias were, just private citizens with guns fixing things without the government...then they suddenly stopped. I'll give her points for not going against the evidence and continuing to prop up a rotten thing just because it's more aligned to her ideology.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:48
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Literally The Worst posted:jrode its not that you cite mises Now, now. He did bring a non-Mises piece of Info to the table, to show us all that Qatar freed all those captive, abused migrant workers from inocome taxes and vaccination!
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Jan 19, 2016 21:17
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President Kucinich posted:Jrod, if the FBI showed up right now to confiscate all your electronic devices and hard drives, about how many years behind bars would you be looking at? Zero. They'd laugh themselves hoarse at his writing, shake their heads in pity at his pile of cuckolding porn, and decide he serves justice better as a walking cautionary tale for his ideology.
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So Jrod, as a medical student (one that the market failed to service and who had to move to another country to benefir from top-notch schooling that he is happy to pay back through taxes), I have actually looked into a few of your claims. 1-) Lucky coincidence for you, the Dentristry College of BA is right next to the Medical School, so I have tons of friends who attend, and talk to their teachers. Their reactions to your mercury saga raged from literal going-pale disbelief to snorting laughter. To a person, they disagreed with the whole premise of mercury from fillings being an issue. Other materials are used nowadays, but for different reasons: they break more cleanly when it happens, blend better with tooth enamel for a better cosmetic effect, etc. But even granting that, which no one did? See, the analogy they used of your little procedure was like popping a zit. Now, you leave your zit alone, and even if it's filled with nasty stuff, it's contained there and will soon scab over and go away. Now, you pop it, and that poo poo is spewing out, feeding bacteria, clogging your pores, damaging blood vessels and getting stuff in them that doesn't belong. You sprayed your gums and tongue with aerosolized mercury. All the 'procedures' that minimize exposure don't really work all that well, make the procedure more difficulty, or actually increase your exposure. For instance, one of the 'safety' measures is to cool the area with a water jet so you don't create as many mercury fumes. But that means you'll be getting water laced with mercury down your esophagus and trachea, toward tissues athat are -really- good at absorbing stuff. Yes, even with Mr. Thirsty hanging from your mouth and sucking at full blast, like your mindset! I bet your Lyme disease loved that. Oh wait, it doesn't matter because it's bunk. Or the practice of 'chipping' and removing the filling by chunks. Now, do you know why fine salt dissolves better in water than chunky salt in big pieces? Exposure area. The more you divide a big object, the more contact area you are creating. I know basic physics can elude a proud praxeologist, but bear with me. Your dentist tugging your filling out chunk by chunk was also sensing smaller chunk under your tongue, over your gums, to share their mineral bounty with your lusty epitheliums. So I hope you didn't pay extra for the 'safe' removal process, my friend. That would add tragicomedy to idiocy. And that you did it as a treatment for LYME DISEASE? Holy poo poo. See, as a proud humanist, I am torn here. I firmly believe in the intrinsyc value and dignity of sapient life and in devoting a share of my resources, both voluntarily and through the shared organizations of the state, to improving its condition. I don't want you to be abused, misled, or exploited. But on the other hand, you being taken for your last worthless-fiat buck by quacks that likely laughed about it afterwards might be the best punishment for your vile word-burps that don't qualify as an ideology. --- As for part two of my post here, regarding your diatribe on miracle cancer drugs and medical treatment-access in general. Last november, I took a break from frying my head over finals to tag along with a class that was starting their climical care service. It doesn't start for me for another year, but a cool teacher knew I was interested and let me tag along. The hospital it was held at (a big public one) receives patients from all over the country. Now, it's a big country with a big countryside, and tons of small towns that have very precarious health clinics, or none at all. We are talking about people who need to make trips that take days to get any care beyond auscultation and maybe a splint/bandage. Most of these people are rural workers joyfully free from worker's rights and unions, so going to the doctor means taking days off work, losing pay, maybe getting fired. As a result, they wait until the low season when they don't need to harvest or work as much. So yeah, that means many conditions that started out mild had months to worsen by the time they can do something about it. It's a medium in which your brand of free-market innovation -thrives-. Tons of wise old men with 'natural' cures, failed or fake doctors just passing by who can treat you better than those 'big-city quacks who just want your money and won't cure you to profit from your illness'. This is not philosophical wankery. It's not a hypothetical. It happens. Happens an awful lot. And I saw it. People with flus evolved into pneumonias because they couldn't take time off work. One old lady's leg was swollen with pus and caked blood to a ludicrous degree because it took a deep gash from a piece of farm equipment, but was treated only with a poultice from a 'roaming doctor' and then left untended for five weeks. She ended up losing it below the knee, a friend told me later. There is no big government crushing these people. What few services they get come from the state, and no private party cares about them. There is not even anyone punishing the quacks that ail them with bogus medicine. And keep in mind, many of those quacks are well-intentioned. But they can be as deadly as scammers. That is why general, nation-wide or even world-wide standards and agencies matter. Your plan is basically that being the basic level of medical standards, and then adding the whole internet of superstition, scams, quackery and so on. Radium water as the cure for...um...what disease is in the news? The Zika virus! Wash it down, we're pretty sure it's a killer! And in case it isn't, well, we -hoped- it would help, you can't prove we didn't! Not to mention Dr. Oz's Surefire Polio-Killing Supplement, better than any nasty, mercury-ridden vaccine! If you are lucky, it might even contain some of the ingredient we say it does! And no, private 'watchdog' agencies wouldn't work. Your agency says my anti-cancer supplement is powdered wheat chaff. Mine says it is the purest medicine Mother Nature put on this green Earth. The whistleblowing agency loses customers, because no business wants a narc harshing their profits. Unless those agencies funded by my health DRO specifically to attack harmful, innefective products like vaccines, aspirin and AZT, of course! In conclusion, and I've likely said this before, you and your ilk are the bolsheviks of this century; the harm you do has been limited only by your lack of power (because the capitalist bigshots who actually run things would rather bribe oligarch enablers like your precious Rand Paul that will let them have their cake and eat it too than risk your loony radicalism). Would you ever hold the reins of -anything-, the body count would make Belgian Congo look like a birthday at Chuck E. Cheese. And at least the bolshies were motivated originally by some actual issues. You guys would do it out of spite and fake-Aspergers. As a parting gift, suck on Pando's latest, unavoidable corn-filled dump all over the record of your Saint Rands, pere et fil. https://pando.com/2015/10/14/rise-and-fall-silicon-valleys-republican-dream-candidate/ quote:Four days after Iranian students seized the US Embassy and took 50 American hostages, Rep. Ron Paul exploited the white-hot anti-Iranian anger by introducing a piece of legislation called “The Iranian Student Expulsion Act”. Dr. Paul’s proposed law would cut off all federal funding to any American higher education institution that allowed Iranian students to enroll. Miiiiighty fine of Paul to assault the private property of people who came to America to study, and maybe even flee their nasty home regime, all over the actions of a third party. Now that's aggression! But at least he didn't tax them or vaccinate them.
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Dr Pepper posted:What video games do you like to play Jrod. Very important to know. Which one is easier to pirate/distribute through online forums?
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Feb 4, 2016 22:02
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Jrod, tell us how Timothy McVeigh was unfairly aggressed against by law enforcement officers who should have been chasing muslims, who were statistically better suspects!
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fade5 posted:Also this post said it better than I could: Now, now. There would be a short-term escalation of violence, as Jrod said, but once there are no more dissidents and ethnic rivals to be murdered, the graph levels out and peace is restored, without anything so crass and cruel as statist intervention! You don't see violence against the Helvetii or the Caribs, do you?
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TLM3101 posted:Personally, I want to see if he has more Nazi-inspired policy he'd like to advocate for. Besides, I've learned a lot from other posters in the thread, and I like learning new things, so... We should lay an eugenics trap for him. Maybe find some quote from one of his pet ubermensch detailing how a DRO totally could stipulate the culling of disabled/handicapped people as part of its charter and get him to defend it.
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