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Fados
Jan 7, 2013
I like Malcolm X, I can't be racist!

Put this racist dipshit on ignore immediately!

jrodefeld posted:


Left-Progressives always tout the "successes" of social democracies like Sweden or the social welfare State in the United States, but they always (as Scott Horton likes to say) "truncate and antecedents". You know what the best way to attain a small fortune? Start with a large fortune and squander some of your wealth. In example after example, left-progressives tout the relative wealth of modern-day Sweden or post FDR United States forgetting or never understanding that these countries that remain reasonably wealthy and can bear the burden of the socialistic demands on the economy have all, without any notable exceptions, had a lengthy history of laissez-faire free market fueled growth for decades and decades before their governments made a left turn and decided to implement a welfare State.

This is absolutely true of the United States from the Industrial Revolution until the Progressive Era of the early to mid 20th century and it is also true of Sweden which had an incredibly laissez-faire free market economy during much of the same period of time and, even after their nominal shift leftward during the mid-20th century, the bulk of the socialist program so loved by leftist commentators is barely forty years old.

Getting your cause and effect reasoning straight would do wonders to improve your understanding of these historical events.

Even Marx said societies had to go through capitalism to then get to socialism, so I don't see the problem there.

Sharkie posted:

In the list of things that are important in the world, "competing theories of initial property acquisition that make more sense that [sic] the first-user principle" falls way, way, way below things like keeping people alive, healthy, well fed, and cared for. I'd say making sure everyone in their community has a decent pair of shoes is at least twelve spots higher on the list of problems people should address than anything involving the phrase "the first-user principle."

So property rights are important enough I guess, but those other things come first.

p.s. also your writing is very bad, and tedious, and unclear. Take time to remove stilted phrases like "The reader should be disabused of the notion that," because they make you sound like you're aping a nineteenth century blowhard.
Exactly it's like, "I did find this apple first, but seeing that guy over in famine over there kinda makes me feel a bit bad, and since I feel we could probably get more apples I don't see why I coulnd't share it'." Obviously in severe scarcity environments all society goes to poo poo but if this is the premisse for libertarianism I guess it's the theory that describes a war ravaged, post apocalyptic world.

Fados fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Oct 9, 2015

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