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Actually your entire ideology is trash from an rear end and you should learn dialectical and historical materialism.
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jrodefeld posted:You know, I could say the exact same thing about any one of you. "you will absolutely refuse to retain any facts about history, economics, ethics, or reality in general that isn't convenient for you and your perpetual state of delusional idiocy". No, actually when presented with things that disprove their beliefs smart people change their minds. You've been presented with many things that disprove your beliefs and cannot fit in the framework of your beliefs, yet you still have not changed your mind. So basically HorseLord posted:Actually your entire ideology is trash from an rear end and you should learn dialectical and historical materialism.
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Oct 11, 2015 08:42
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ToxicSlurpee posted:This is some...not exactly historically accurate thinking. The reason the politicians on both sides were pretty isolationist and publicly anti-war was because the American people were incredibly isolationist at the time. Until Pearl Harbor happened the American view was "meh, whatever let Europe sort that poo poo out. Not our problem." Behind the scenes those in power in America knew full well that WW2 was eventually going to become our problem one way or another so they did whatever they could get away with. Helping England was just one thing but behind the scenes they were also forcing the military budget upwards and prepping for a fight. Publicly they were saying "we won't go to war, ever, end of story." But really, political powers knew America was going to get drug into it whether it liked it or not. I think a lot of it was sold as jobs "well hey we're just selling poo poo to England and you're getting paid to make said poo poo so it's cool." That and more military means more soldiers which means more people being paid. I'm still amazed America's 20th century tragedy is nothing more than that a military base was attacked. What a pathetic people.
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Oct 21, 2015 09:57
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StandardVC10 posted:No, Stalin was not a great leader. *a legitimate military target is attacked* americans: this is the worst thing to ever happen to us *america bombs four cities of no millitary value that are experiencing a winter famine, and aren't even in the right country* americans: i don't see why we should apologize
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Oct 22, 2015 11:45
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Talmonis posted:What bombing is this? Nijmegen, Arnhem, and others. Unsurprising that people who prefer the hollywood version of WWII don't know about it. It's revealing how Yankee chickenhawks cry over a naval base of all things but ignore actual war atrocities they committed. Only yankees are real people, boats are worth more than non-american civilians. God bless the stars and stripes, right? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 22, 2015 18:12
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StandardVC10 posted:Christ you're annoying. Is there anything you're even trying to argue besides "a bloo bloo bloo America bad?" Nobody is making you read my posts. Am I not politically correct enough for you?
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Oct 22, 2015 18:24
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Rhjamiz posted:I was honestly hoping you were going to mention more about what actually happened or go into the history of it, rather than smugly pontificate about how we're all nationalists for not having memorized every American atrocity. I compared a legitimate act of war that Americans cry over to a war crime Americans did that they ignore. This underscores the warped american worldview. And yeah, all Americans are nationalists. That's why you put your flag all over the place and pretend you're the best.
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Oct 22, 2015 18:37
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StandardVC10 posted:So your big beef is that America got too upset over Pearl Harbor? What should we have done instead, not entered World War II? You barely did anyway. The American experience of WWII was entrapping people who were actually fighting the nazis with extortionate loans on equipment you didn't even have the knowledge to design, (this is how America went from a economic failure to a superpower) then making a bunch of movies about how the three or four yankee soldiers who actually knew where europe was supposedly saved the world.
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Oct 22, 2015 18:45
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*literally make children do a fascist oath in school every day * *founds country on genocide* *trains cops to kill black people in a Pavlovian fashion* * does weird troop worshiping nationalist poo poo at major sports events* americans: we're not nationalists
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Oct 22, 2015 18:53
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Captain_Maclaine posted:The Pacific Theater: totally not a thing, says the shitposter who's railing on about how Pearl Harbor is something Americans get too worked up about. The american contribution to the war against japan was so inept eventually you just killed like half a million innocent people in 2 days with nukes and called it good
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Oct 22, 2015 18:54
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also even your civil war was lame. it was some people who thought you should be able to own black people, versus people who thought that if you freed the black people then you can hire them for poo poo wages america: fundamentally a lesser quality civilisation
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Oct 22, 2015 18:58
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another nationalist thing americans do is worship their constitution. normal countries rewrite those all the time because otherwise they stop being relevant all of your founding fathers were kind of dumb and you should stop fellating their legacies. they didn't do anything new or better than any random european statesman of the time
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Oct 22, 2015 19:05
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StandardVC10 posted:
i like how the yank constitution has basically no human rights provisions but people say poo poo like this
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Oct 22, 2015 19:17
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Who What Now posted:Why do you even care? What's your dog in this fight and what the gently caress does it have to do with Libertarianism? Libertarianism is america's fault. You decided to oppose socialism and naturally vomited it's polar opposite all over the place.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:34
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Jack of Hearts posted:I feel like a Stalinist mock thread would also be p. good. stalin's country: * population doubles, lifespan doubles, goes from having 100 million illiterates to a space industry, has less people in jail than america* americans: he's monster who kill eleven trillion people and ruined russias progress
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Oct 22, 2015 19:38
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QuarkJets posted:Dude as a Stalinist I don't think that you have any ground to stand on when it comes to human rights, or anything really would you say that to paul robeson
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Oct 22, 2015 19:40
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only joking you don't know who that is
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Oct 22, 2015 19:40
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QuarkJets posted:Later in life Robeson stopped talking about Stalin because he realized what a colossal genocidal jackass Stalin was nope
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Oct 22, 2015 19:43
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"this guy who lived in the USA most of his life eventually didnt praise the USSR and stalin as much as he used to. it must be because he changed his mind and not because he was a high profile victim of the US government's domestic anticommunist efforts* - an actual real person in this thread holy moly
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Oct 22, 2015 19:47
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StandardVC10 posted:Because there are no other reasons why Stalin might not be considered praiseworthy. are you seriously denying that paul robeson's career was destroyed by mccarthyism and that it made him cautious of it happening again note: he never once said he changed his mind, but he did say this: paul robeson posted:Whatever has happened to Stalin, gentlemen, is a question for the Soviet Union, and I would not argue with a representative of the people who, in building America, wasted sixty to a hundred million lives of my people, black people drawn from Africa on the plantations. You are responsible, and your forebears, for sixty million to one hundred million black people dying in the slave ships and on the plantations, and don’t ask me about anybody, please.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:53
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yeah honestly stalin should have nuked the white house
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Oct 22, 2015 19:56
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Tesseraction posted:To be honest Stalin could have done nothing wrong and he'd still be evil because 'COMMUNISM' - that blood is on his hands or Mao's or any left-leaning leader is irrelevant. Blood is on the hands of all of the 'developed' nations in equal measure. It's just easier to big up the horrors of the Soviet bloc and its allies because it suits the goals of capitalist governments. There's also really nothing preventing them from lying. With this and their motivation in mind, bourgeois histories become worthless. You can't take what they've said and do a few small corrections and call it accurate, because it was all written to support an idea they decided on before they started. This is how you get funky poo poo like citing Ukrainians who fought for the nazis or Chinese "death tolls" calculated by comparing the actual population figures with a birth rate prediction that didn't come to pass. Throw it in the trash and start from the beginning.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:12
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QuarkJets posted:He'd be labeled as evil because 'COMMUNISM' but the propaganda machine wouldn't be nearly as effective without all of that blood. like 99% of that blood didn't exist. If Stalin's government had killed as many as was often claimed, the USSR would have had a depopulation crisis large enough to end their civilization.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:15
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Like straight up, explain how you lose 77 million people out of less than 160 million in less than 15 years (alleged stalinocide + ww2) but the population doesn't actually shrink all that much did stalin replace them with cardboard cutouts to make places look fuller
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Oct 22, 2015 20:19
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zeal posted:'the interwar famines and purges never happened' is a pretty significant claim for which I'd love to see the evidence. I would love to see the evidence i made that claim. try replying to what I said not what you'd like me to have said.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:22
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StandardVC10 posted:Many of the numbers are politicized but you're going to face a higher bar of skepticism if you want to bring them anywhere close to zero. For normal people the 850k actually deliberately killed is enough of a tragedy but you spent the last 80 years sitting around going "I bet it was 20 million!" "i bet 40 million!" "no i bet 200 million!" so any actually possible figure is going to be too low for you to accept how does it feel that the highest number of prisoners in the USSR at any point is on par with America presently.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:25
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don't feed into Ukrainian nationalist myth by pretending they were the only people to suffer in that famine.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:30
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"stalin's actual fuckups" are all things that the western bourgeois neither understood, or would see as bad things if they did. so that's why they resorted to making so much poo poo up case in point: 1930s relations with other political tendencies. Pushing the anti-socdem stance harder than the anti-nazi one would be a much bigger mistake to western eyes if America's view on nazism wasn't "Oh cool, I like killing ethnic minorities and airships too"
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Oct 22, 2015 20:36
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Tesseraction posted:I'm happy to be corrected - who else was affected? Belarus, parts of european Russia, and Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan got it the most severe of all of them.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:45
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Tesseraction you're a terrible Khrushchevite but I love you
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