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Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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DrProsek posted:

Jrod, you have stated your support for police racially profiling Arabs, and despite our efforts to shame you, you still seem to support that position. In light of this, why should we believe that public shaming is such a powerful tool it will smooth over all the bumps in Libertopia, like poor folk starving in the streets? It clearly doesn't do anything to you, you still think racial profiling is awesome as long as cops are the ones doing it.

Perhaps shaming is an ineffective strategy, much like prohibition of drugs and alcohol.

Edit: Did not read context, am dumb

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Feb 13, 2016

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Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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VitalSigns posted:

Fake edit: And it's legal to demand your subordinates sleep with you to keep their job anc health insurance and DRO coverage during a recession but this isn't coercive because

People don't coerce people, Maslow's hierarchy coerces people! If your stomach commits violence against you, you should retaliate against your stomach by shooting it with a liberty cannon.

The only true freedom is freedom from our mortal coil.

JVNO posted:

Man if our high schools could somehow do a crash course in Bayesian statistics people would realize how ridiculous it is to racially profile. There are so many features that would have far greater specificity than racial profiling.

The trouble is getting them to recognize situations where they can and should apply it.

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 13, 2016

Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

*spits drink all over monitor*

Covert?

I'm new to the arguing with libertarians pastime here on SA. Has he explicitly said that white people are naturally better than other races by some metric of human quality?

Because I'd still call it covert if he's just acting like history started yesterday and every black person's achievement in life has nothing to do with slavery, sharecropping, police brutality, redlining, lead poisoning, or people like jrod who are unaware of their cognitive biases and think that they're perfectly rational and objective when they reject Jamal's application in favor of Steve's?

Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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jrodefeld posted:

We have a situation where Federal regulators are cracking down on girls who want to braid hair.
This language is disingenuous. You are evoking the image of the FBI busting down a classroom door because two girls were braiding each other's hair.

Further, a cursory Google search has revealed that there are no federal regs on the books, and it looks like you're talking about Texas and Arkansas alone, noted Southern states that purportedly love freedom and are definitely done with the racism thing, and at least in Texas it was overturned in court.

Can you think of any other licensing requirement that's just there to keep black people out of business? Because I cannot, especially not on the federal level.

Are you of the opinion, then, that our fourteenth amendment is not a draconian overreach of the USFG?

quote:

Someone who agrees with me entirely is rapper Killer Mike, who is a staunch gun-rights advocate. I think Killer Mike is great. I've got both Watch the Throne albums and they are phenomenal. He's intelligent and respectful.

MF DOOM - Deep Fried Frenz posted:

When it get for real, steel get to sparkin'
Everything darken, and ain't no talkin'
For somethin so cheap it sure buys a lot of trouble
Ya better off focusing than tryin to plot to bubble
Or else it'd be a sad note to end on, the guns we got is
(Ones we can depend on...Friends)
Look it up on Genius if you don't get it.

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There should be the same proportion of races in the police department and they should be accountable to the community not to Washington D.C. or some outside political force.

Anyway, you seem to think that police brutality and licensing regulations are the primary phenomena keeping black communities from obtaining social mobility. Are you familiar with how redlining enabled cities to segregate their infrastructure, leading to, say, mostly lead pipes bringing water to people's houses in the black part of town, or not bothering to protect certain playgrounds' topsoil to keep children from exposing themselves to heavy metal poisoning, which can cause (oft-undiagnosed) learning disabilities?

And before you say "oh that's just the government being intrinsically bad as usual," why did store owners, compelled by the almighty profit motive, also refuse to transact with black people at that time? Maybe social pressure isn't a great thing to rely on?

Finally, I assume that you claim to be rational in some sense, but you reportedly also said it's reasonable to racially profile Muslim-looking people because ISIS members are Muslim. As far as I can tell, this can only result from a failure to apply Bayes' theorem. Do you understand why?

But I guess this post is going to be buried by the time the probation is up. Oh well, I just wanted to participate. Also, jrod's throat is initiating aggression against my dick by blocking its free forward motion

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 17, 2016

Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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spoon0042 posted:

Here, have one more hole in jrod's idiot "economic freedom benefits everyone" argument assertion:

Disparity in Life Spans of the Rich and the Poor Is Growing


Clearly if we were more economically free like Canada this wouldn't be a problem. Or is this like that "time-preference" thing where the poor are giving up their elderly years to... work two jobs now?

I'm sure jrod would just point out that those decades were when the Fed and FDR were stealing all our lucky charms, and therefore anything that happens then counts as socialism unless it's GDP growth or a scientific discovery or something good of course.

DrProsek posted:

Correct, and when the free market realizes there is demand for this and creates it, we will all die infinity times forever because we will be overwhelmed with Megadeaths. Planned economies avoid this through taxes to kill innovations that might lead to speeding up Megadeath, and regulations that enslave all music creators so that they may never create a faster Megadeath than we have now.

I have done all the required logic to reach these conclusions. Since this was determined logically, I expect Jrod to explain his support for the turbomegadeath.
Say, is turbomegadeath shorthand for the world rushing to hurl itself off the resource cliff by mindlessly growing our production/consumption/discard economy? Or is it just a general funhouse mirror of libertarian griping about the tyranny of fire extinguisher mandates and vacation days?

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Feb 17, 2016

Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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My internship in the summer of 2013 paid me $18/hr and I was doing data mining and analysis and I had to pass 3 technical interviews to get it.

My affluent parents actually forbade me from getting a job prior to college because (I'm guessing in retrospect) they didn't want me to be influenced by people who, say, smoke weed behind the dumpster during their break. My only job experience before that internship was some library volunteer hours and a few week-long day camps.

Basically, Joseph A. Rod over here has never been on the rear end-end of a buyer's market, and he thinks he raised himself.

Stinky_Pete
Aug 16, 2015

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Yeah poor people can't be completely ignored. If they get hungry and desperate enough they get increasingly unruly and eventually violent. This is one of the issues that's going to have to be dealt with sooner rather than later. Repetitive, menial tasks are the easiest to automate and are increasingly being done by machines. McDonald's now has machines that fill the drinks so that's fewer human hands you actually need in the place. How much stuff is ordered online instead of in a retail outlet? No need for a cashier. There's another job being destroyed. Self checkouts and ordering kiosks are crowding in on that, too. Tracking stock? Yup, increasingly computerized. Nobody needs to go out and count each individual thing anymore unless the computer fucks up but most of the time it doesn't.

What happens when you can run an entire busy McDonald's with two people, total?


And with all that, the prices of goods don't drop relative to consumer incomes because we're already accustomed to paying a certain amount. But totally, supply and demand curves are real because Nature is two linear functions intersecting in a 2D plane and it'll all work itself out.

Stinky_Pete
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

That's why I think it's kind of dumb to scream "STEM!! STEM!! STEM!!" at people because, in the long term, people who don't really have the mathematical/technical aptitudes or - more importantly - the passion to excel in engineering or programming would be really disserviced to force their round peg into a square hole, collecting a paycheck for several decades while wearily looking forward to when (if) they can retire and die. It's understandable of course given current realities but still short-sighted.

Ideally society should be structured to support everyone who want to work on their passions regardless of how much or little money they make from it to be happier and more fulfilled from life in the end.

I am not familiar with this contingent that believes every job should be related to the design of technical systems.

fishmech posted:

This is utterly bullshit. There was a collapse in general electronics/computers during the 80s as just one example.

I mean what you're doing is like saying there was no real estate bubble in the 2000s, because it mostly affected residential properties.

I think that many of us are just sick of people equating "tech" with dime-a-dozen web developers.

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Feb 19, 2016

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Halloween Jack posted:

Their male, straight, white fans.

He reminds me a great deal of the couple times I got into it with 9/11 conspiracy theorists before I learned better. I figured out that the person I was arguing with was just frantically Googling so that he could link as many irrelevant bits of "evidence" as possible. Meanwhile, JRod posts sources he hasn't read, then whines that we're "ignoring the substance" when we, uh, actually engage with the substance. He has no notion of argument besides dropping a TRUTH BOMB and then...?

By the by, is there a formal name for the tactic where you drop a link to an essay or an entire book and say "read this and then get back to me or else you concede the debate?" He used to love that one. I don't feel obliged to read the entirety of mises.org since he obviously doesn't read much of what he posts.

Heh, next time I hear something like that I'll just say "hand me a book report on Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States or you concede the debate"

Stinky_Pete
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Nessus posted:

Well the charitable version is that they're being like Rorschach from Watchmen (who of course they often adore - not for being a complex and interesting character, but for his firm refusal to "compromise") and arguing that no good end justifies breaking your inner rules. By this standard, of course, the local liberal is your enemy, while the foreign Bolshevik is merely a foreigner; if the Bolshevik tends his own fields, you have no complaint with him. Indeed, you have a common enemy. Your local liberal.

In practice of course a lot of them would like the color line to get reinstated, if perhaps not in a conscious way.

I'm sure their superhuman reasoning faculties will determine that "easy to tell apart" directly translates to "belong to vastly different categories," so of course it would be most Praxworthy to keep the Races (which are True in Nature) separate because "similar kinds work better with one another"

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Stinky_Pete
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Nessus posted:

Yeah and we're not putting that on him, he openly said in a post (I still can't find it because I am bad at computer) that you can't actually disprove his economic theories with mere evidence, merely support them or - perhaps, generously - slightly refine their execution.

We ought to dig that line up so we can all copy-paste it at him when he comes back.

Hahaha what, he must think unfalsifiability is the mark of a strong claim. Because it looks like it is, if you don't know science or reading.


Ah, Praxeology. Simple rules for a simple mind.

Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 21, 2016

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