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Cemetry Gator posted:You're over simplifying the world and ignoring all the little complications that can come up. This is the appeal of libertarianism: the world is simple and you can solve all problems by applying this easy algorithm. Nevermind that it doesn't work; all that matters is that you feel like you can be an expert in all subjects and dominate the world because you have found the secret skeleton keys that unlocks all mystery.
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SedanChair posted:He's been doing it to us since before the last presidential election We have entered joinder
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Jrod, you seem very careful to use the words "chattel slavery" when claiming that libertarians do not believe in slavery. Yet the material conditions of slavery in UAE and Qatar are identical to the form of labor slavery accepted by Nozick in Anarchy, State, and Utopia. Do you believe that Nozick's concept of slavery is incorrect? How do you balance that with your claim that no libertarians believe in slavery, given that Nozick is well regarded among libertarian philosophers?
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Nov 19, 2015 16:04
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Nolanar posted:We've been over this, homie gives no fucks for Nozick. Anarchy State and Utopia endorses the existence of a state, however minimal, so JRod doesn't acknowledge him as part of the fold. Sorry my eyes must have glazed over that along with the times he claimed literal communists were von mises libertarian sympathizers.
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Nov 19, 2015 16:33
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The type of slavery advocated by Block and Nozick are easily comparable to the type of slavery found in UAE and Qatar, as well as the brick kilns of Pakistan, sex trade in SE Asia, etc.
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Nov 20, 2015 14:26
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GunnerJ posted:One of the most common criticisms of communism is that it contradicts human nature and it failed because you can't force human beings to behave in a way contrary to their nature. Ironically, it is libertarians and their fellow travelers who love this argument against communism, but whether that is a fair or accurate argument or not, I am beginning to suspect that it's pure projection coming from them. (And it pairs nicely with "but we don't have real capitalism...") The general lay criticisms of both libertarianism and communism are horribly flawed because for some unknown reason, people believe that the primary driving factor of harmony/prosperity among both systems is an appeal to inherent human altruism (which is often rebutted through the "human nature" argument). This is mostly false although a little less so for libertarianism, which relies on individual rational decision making and utility maximization, theorizing that actions at the individual level will result in rational, utility maximization in aggregate. The assumption is that this ultimately leads to a form of fairness, often expressed in the form of naturally arising social altruism. I think we all understand why this is flawed. Communism, on the other hand, theorizes that the elimination of "artificial" scarcity will defeat the forces of alienation and exploitation that oppose the socialist dynamic. Socialism seeks to achieve this goal through democratic allocation of means of production allocating scare resources in a more egalitarian fashion until the post scarcity stateless organization. This also does not rely on inherent altruism; the idea of more equitable distribution of scarce resources in a socialist society is yet another form of rational self interest, although the behavioral assumptions are made at the social level rather than the individual. The general format of modern leftist collectivism thought has strong roots in the advent of sociology and stronger ties with modern soft sciences (as well as basis in real anthropology) while right libertarianism is stuck in a poor interpretation of flawed Enlightenment Era liberalism, and has done its best (praxeology) to avoid empirical scrutiny.
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Dec 20, 2015 16:56
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GunnerJ posted:For the record, I agree with most of this. I'm not communicating it well, but I wasn't really making a claim as to which argument is better or whether they are accurate. Just that there's this weird tendency for libertarians to unironically argue from the same ideologically purist humanity-denying ethos that they claim is the flaw in their opposite. I think we are largely in agreement, I just wanted to expand a bit on the old post/topic. Just so you know where I was coming from, when I say "lay criticism" of libertarianism, I mean the general easy to touch arguments predominately concerning things such as social welfare "replaced" by charity in libertarian society. One criticism is that this requires an inherent altruism to arise, whereas the libertarian ascribes it simply to rational self interest. All I am trying to point out is that inherent altruism is not a foundational concept of either ideology (despite critics often making clumsy appeals). Wasn't addressed directly to you, just speaks to the topic that you broached.
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Dec 20, 2015 17:30
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He would also write screeds on comcast help forums about how them throttling him for multiple terabytes of usage per month (which he claimed was easily achieved through casual music and video streaming... definitely NOT torrents!) was ruining his life. Jrod is a liar and likely a petty criminal who uses Libertarianism as post hoc justification for basically being an awful human being.
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Jan 18, 2016 03:34
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Soviet Commubot posted:Just look at this. He just assumes that a fast food manager makes $5,000 per month. Just to be clear here, Jrode believes that a fast food manager makes $62,000+, more than the median household income and nearly twice the median personal income.
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Caros posted:It really is insane. I was talking to an old friend the other day who is a district manager for McD's. Covers the communication between franchises for two provinces in western Canada. His take home is just shy of $52,000/year after a decade and a half at the job. This is a good point though, as there are many different types of managers especially at McDonald's because of their franchise agreement. Shift managers (depending on the size of staff you might have more than one around at a time) generally make a $1-$3/hour more than a standard employee, store managers (usually only a few per store, open the store and do the bank depositing) can be salaried but make something in the $30k range if they have been there 5+ years. Then you can get into managers that operate more as personal assistants to the franchisee and these can be per store or per store block (or regional). Ultimately these are bookeepers for the franchisee's business as well as coordinators for staff training, introducing new items, etc. They are not "store managers" in any real sense like shift or regular store managers, and these people can make a lot of money (they are to "manager" as accountant is to "cashier").
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