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The Big Taff Man posted:No, she gets people who can Oh. She gets them. Sorted then.
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The Big Taff Man posted:
I literally made that joke already. Glad Joseph won, he seems to have genuinely improved throughout the process, which is always nice to see
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Dec 20, 2015 23:23
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Steve2911 posted:Oh. She gets them. Dont see what you issue is You dont do everything in a business. Did you miss the part of the episode where they went out and talked about the cost to implement her ideas
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Dec 20, 2015 23:41
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I agree with what someone said earlier. Joseph would make a better apprentice than business partner. I liked him throughout the series, but in the final, and the subsequent "You're Fired" Episode, it became clear that what he cares about is very materialistic and superficial. He will fit right in with last year's winner, Mark.
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Dec 21, 2015 00:26
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Although it was pretty much a foregone conclusion who was going to win I am baffled that it was on today. I've seen loads of tweets spoiling it and was thinking "uh how do they know who will win, it's on Wednesday".
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Dec 21, 2015 02:17
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The Big Taff Man posted:Dont see what you issue is Because she's a ~~ideas person~~ with a very loose grasp on the actual idea, and like all of them simply wants to have someone go do the work for them and pay them for their loosely thought-through ideas. It's about one step up from patent trolls and a couple of steps up from "something that already exists + BITCOIN" in having any merit or value to contribute. It only passes in this sector because too few people know enough about it to snap-call bullshit on it. If someone's business idea was "make a plane, but make it solve the problem of burning fossil fuels in the atmosphere somehow" it'd be much more obvious that a lack of any practical solutions were forthcoming. It's a good job Sugar just handed the investment over, because the other idea was equally bullshit by the end. He too was going to magic an "app" that deals with your heating seemingly independent of being the manufacturer of any part of that system, but that leap of stupidity got ignored. Sugar ignored the business investment completely and basically hired Joseph on Apprentice logic; 'he can be molded blah blah' What a weird and pointless end to a weird and pointless series.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:34
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Also a monthly subscription is just loving DOA for any kind of app of it's ilk. It's completely criminal her pitch wasn't an attempt to show how you can uniquely monetise her idea, in a highly competitive field, by utilizing IAP (which people are used to in a 'game') with regards to getting more matches quicker. People may pay 99p for 10 matches on a whim, but they aren't dropping £10 on month 2 when the novelty wore off in month 1. e: highlight of the episode frankly 
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Dec 21, 2015 02:42
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Manic X posted:I agree with what someone said earlier. Joseph would make a better apprentice than business partner. I liked him throughout the series, but in the final, and the subsequent "You're Fired" Episode, it became clear that what he cares about is very materialistic and superficial. He will fit right in with last year's winner, Mark. It's a show about business and making money, so I don't see the problem here.
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Dec 21, 2015 03:37
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That were utter dog shite. I won't watch this television programme again.
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Dec 21, 2015 08:58
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Khablam posted:Because she's a ~~ideas person~~ with a very loose grasp on the actual idea, and like all of them simply wants to have someone go do the work for them and pay them for their loosely thought-through ideas. Yep, I feel like unless you yourself personally are deeply involved in doing the thing you want to do, just having the idea to do it isn't nearly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if her exact idea has been tried and failed a hundred times across the various app stores. I got the feeling that she barely scratched the surface in terms of actual knowledge of the market, while at least Joseph was already doing the thing he wanted to do, even if he was pulling new ideas out of his arse to find a mythical USP (how many tiny plumbing companies have a USP beyond 'reliable local plumber'?).
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Dec 21, 2015 09:07
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gret posted:It's a show about business and making money, so I don't see the problem here. No I get that of course, but I thought he had a bit more integrity about him. You want people with integrity to do well. In the end we got a Del Boy.
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Dec 21, 2015 10:27
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Steve2911 posted:Yep, I feel like unless you yourself personally are deeply involved in doing the thing you want to do, just having the idea to do it isn't nearly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if her exact idea has been tried and failed a hundred times across the various app stores. She's a Winklevoss and her idea needs her to be the Zuckerberg. By which I mean [nearly] every "hockey stick" curve you see comes from a tiny startup with tiny overheads who can wriggle around and find their niche for [almost] free. The VC comes because people see a "genius [idea]" and throw their money at that. I don't think anyone is throwing VC at design-by-committee / outsourced apps trying to launch cold into a theoretical niche because there's only disadvantages to that approach. You are never making big money selling an app built by a generic software house and paying their overheads, because they aren't incentivised to do so.
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Vana's plan also bugged me because she had no idea what these SCIENTIFIC games would be or how they would match people up, as far as I could see. I don't think I'd really want to play Sudoku or brain training games against a potential date. Maybe Bishi Bashi Special games would be better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-azMAkQeAgg drat that game was fun. Did any of you watch that thing with Daniel Radcliffe in about GTA? The Gamechangers....that was classic IDEAS person. He just walked around shouting I WANT THIS AND THAT AND OTHER AMAZING THINGS and magically got done. It was really annoying and just enforces to people like Vana that IDEAS are enough and there are underlings out there who can implement it to no credit. This advert appeared in the Millennial.jpg thread and seems appropriate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpDIEJrog3s
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Khablam posted:Also a monthly subscription is just loving DOA for any kind of app of it's ilk. It's completely criminal her pitch wasn't an attempt to show how you can uniquely monetise her idea, in a highly competitive field, by utilizing IAP (which people are used to in a 'game') with regards to getting more matches quicker. People may pay 99p for 10 matches on a whim, but they aren't dropping £10 on month 2 when the novelty wore off in month 1.
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I think the most millenial thing was Vana's boasting that her app would change the world while plumbing pfft who cares about that? It fits right in with the current tech industry, finding new ways to waste time online and then pretending that they've revolutionised the human socio-political thoughtshare streaming experience. At least plumbing provides little things like water to the world, and if you add in ~smart~ design (which tbf he'd only heard of the day before  ) to that then you have something that could genuinely change how (rich) cities operate.
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Dec 21, 2015 14:25
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Running a bath when you're not home doesn't sound like a great idea.
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Dec 21, 2015 14:56
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That last episode really just felt like a formality, much like the series as a whole. As Khablam pointed out, Vana's business idea was based around her misunderstanding a term she'd heard. The idea of making people sink time to see pictures of potential dates was hilarious. She was just there to provide another episode. I think Joseph could have completely changed his business plan to penis puppetry and Sugar would still have chosen him. Actually didn't he kind of do that with that one bloke whose business idea was pure poo poo but he had a patent on some nail file or something? Oh well,  this show.
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Dec 21, 2015 16:58
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They really should go back to selecting an apprentice instead of a business partner, but Sugar's current company's a shell of itself I guess being an apprentice isn't much of a reward.
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Dec 21, 2015 17:24
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crispix posted:That last episode really just felt like a formality, much like the series as a whole. As Khablam pointed out, Vana's business idea was based around her misunderstanding a term she'd heard. The idea of making people sink time to see pictures of potential dates was hilarious. I think its a pretty good idea tbh. I met the woman I'm marrying in two months on OK Cupid and the reason I used that site was all the questions it asked to match you with someone. I think something with  Science behind it could be really interesting
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I dunno if it was Vana or just the editing, but she never seemed clear on whether her idea was to let you flirt with people while playing facebook games, or to double down on the personality matching that existing sites have. Or both?
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Dec 21, 2015 17:41
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It would have helped if they'd shown a lot more of the presentations. I didn't really need to see so much of people whose names I can't remember arsing about some more.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:02
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crispix posted:It would have helped if they'd shown a lot more of the presentations. I didn't really need to see so much of people whose names I can't remember arsing about some more. Ive always thought its difficult to show too much as it may take away from their intellectual property. Tho I dont understand why the heads of eharmony and match would give free* business advice *with no fee but a mention on prime time tv
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Dec 21, 2015 18:11
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The Big Taff Man posted:Tho I dont understand why the heads of eharmony and match would give free* business advice
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Dec 21, 2015 18:14
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Strategic Tea posted:I dunno if it was Vana or just the editing, but she never seemed clear on whether her idea was to let you flirt with people while playing facebook games, or to double down on the personality matching that existing sites have. Or both? It moved around a lot, but it seemed to be predicated on the notion her ~algorithm~ would be so good, that your match after playing the game would definitely be someone you wanted to date. Making the exercise some form of date in itself. The problem with this is most leading dating sites already have algorithms based on looking at what millions of users actually find compatible with one another, as Taff points out. There's effectively no chance "A Phd" just happens to know something that data-mining millions of people's interactions hasn't taught the major players. In fact, I'd bet his/her research is largely based on data acquired from online dating sites, as that has been in-vogue for a while.
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Yeah eHarmony's whole USP is that they make you fill out this detailed questionnaire that they use to "scientifically" match you to compatible dates.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:39
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I wonder if this show has been partly responsible for so many people these days using myself/yourself instead of me/you to sound businessy and official. 
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Dec 21, 2015 19:16
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The more I think about it, Joseph was pretty stupid to go on the show. Why give Sugar a 50% stake in your business, when you can simply stay in business a short period of time, buy the vans on credit and expand slowly? Surely expanding slowly with 100% of your revenue as your own is better than what amounts to be a very significant sell-off of your own company?
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He'd read Alan Sugar's autobiography and considers him a role model. Guy is possibly not the best thinker. He's really mastered the powerwalk though. Why were they all talking to themselves so much in the interview episode? It was a bit demented.
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crispix posted:I wonder if this show has been partly responsible for so many people these days using myself/yourself instead of me/you to sound businessy and official. Drives me mad, this. It sounds ridiculous
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Khablam posted:
Never heard of Nest? Most modern boilers have thermostats that connect in the same way, making it very trivial to replace with a smarter, internet connected device. Obviously doing it well and making money is difficult, but just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bullshit.
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Paperhouse posted:Drives me mad, this. It sounds ridiculous Regarding :iamafag:
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crispix posted:Regarding :iamafag: Regarding is fine though. Let's you prompt people with what you want to ask about, instead of charging in wildly
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Khablam posted:The more I think about it, Joseph was pretty stupid to go on the show. He was originally going to expand through franchising which would have required the investment.
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hermand posted:Never heard of Nest? Most modern boilers have thermostats that connect in the same way, making it very trivial to replace with a smarter, internet connected device. Obviously doing it well and making money is difficult, but just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bullshit. You're reading something I never said, because I never said it was impossible, just that his hand-wavy suggestion there would just "be" an "app" that controlled home heating independent of any other hardware was bullshit, and it is. He was never asking directly for £250k to design and create home automation systems, it was just buzzworded into his pitch because he had literally heard the concept the day before.
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Khablam posted:You're reading something I never said, because I never said it was impossible, just that his hand-wavy suggestion there would just "be" an "app" that controlled home heating independent of any other hardware was bullshit, and it is. Also I had a look at Vanas dating site (just a look, please dont tell my fiance) and its not yet launched but shes changed the model to allow people to submit demos of their app games to be used on the app when it launches. Seems that would be taking away from the science, I'm not sure how much info you could get from playing Candy Crush
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Dec 22, 2015 11:46
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Junkenstein posted:Talking about this weird new 'business' speak, the amount of pitches that made no sense whatsoever this year was ridiculous. Just spewing random words. I loving hate passionate
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passion ˈpaʃ(ə)n/Submit noun 1. strong and barely controllable emotion. "a man of impetuous passion" 2. the suffering and death of Jesus. "meditations on the Passion of Christ" synonyms: crucifixion, pain, suffering, agony, martyrdom; raremartyrization "the Passion of Christ" Which of these is supposed to be admirable in a business partner?
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