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leica posted:Jesus Christ, this is why I don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. When we got our Crown Vic Sport it was ten years old, the sticker was over 33k and I think we paid 7 or 8k for it My co-worker had a traverse that kept having timing chain problems. It was expensive as gently caress to fix out of warranty and it eventually drank all its oil and died. Enclave is the same thing, right?
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meatpimp posted:You didn't care so much that you had to post the same thing in two different threads? You cared enough to start a whole new thread over it, and post it in the other thread as well?  Just please don't dissolve my body in a bathtub full of acid, OK? Running over drug dealers with it is fine by me though.
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I have a (weird?) fetish for 80's/90's/before-the-bailout 00's GM products... If I won the lottery I'd probably end up with a yard full of them. Go on, please. All the details.
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meatpimp posted:The crazy thing is that someone paid over $30k for this thing barely 10 years ago. It does have AWD, at least the hardware for it, but it's disabled itself right now. There's a wheel speed sensor hosed and that takes out both ABS and AWD. Hopefully it's a single point of failure when I get that far into it. leica posted:Jesus Christ, this is why I don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. When we got our Crown Vic Sport it was ten years old, the sticker was over 33k and I think we paid 7 or 8k for it
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Buying a new car is fine is you buy intelligently. Buy a car that will always be in demand - how much have GT-Rs, Evolution/STIs, heck even Coyote 5.0s depreciated?
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Look at how a all used jap cars retain value too. There is always a demand for a used economy 4 cylinder car. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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kastein posted:You cared enough to start a whole new thread over it, and post it in the other thread as well? Are you trying to sidestep the issue by indicting me? Yeah, I care about bullshit allegations and the "you have to do 'x' to be AI" mentality that some of you project. So, that covers me, how about you? meatpimp posted:The crazy thing is that someone paid over $30k for this thing barely 10 years ago. I lied. According to http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/buick-rendezvous-ultra-short-take-road-test , the base Ultra in 2005 was stickered at almost $40k and the Nav and Sunroof options took it to about $42k. That is true Automotive Insanity.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Look at how a all used jap cars retain value too. There is always a demand for a used economy 4 cylinder car. I can understand it for specialised/enthusiast stuff, but the prices for generic "I need four wheels and an engine" stuff seems nuts.
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InitialDave posted:Well, they do here, too, but in the US it seems loving insane. I see people paying $4k+ for a twenty year old cooking-model Civic, when I can get something equivalent here less than half the age for less than half the money, even though your cars are cheaper new. The used car market as of lately has been full on retarded. But - part of it was from cash for clunkers - which took a ton of cheap vehicles off the road, and peoples perceived value of things. The Barret Jackson effect has inflated anything built pre 1980, 1980's cars blew hard, and there is just not that many of them on the road - The 90's cars is when things started getting better again - but a ton of these were taken off the road by cash for clunkers, and that brings us to the 2000's which for some reason are holding their values insanely well.
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InitialDave posted:Well, they do here, too, but in the US it seems loving insane. I see people paying $4k+ for a twenty year old cooking-model Civic, when I can get something equivalent here less than half the age for less than half the money, even though your cars are cheaper new. Cars are a necessity here. Most of the country has no public transportation and is really spread out. This makes the market for vehicles bigger, and since people need to have them, they pay more. The cost of new cars has gotten really out of hand as well, and helped to prop up the used market. I think our lack of inspection laws help as well. Nobody gets a sheet that lists all of a cars faults, therefore it has none and is worth more. You get an MOT and that lists everything they can find wrong and the cost to repair, right?
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tasty food posted:Is there a place or book to can read more about this kind of history? It's a little light on engineering gore but I've always liked The Reckoning. You can follow it up by reading Iacocca's autobiography if you want an op-ed.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:But also, pick ups have turned into a luxury car and I think an F-150 Platinum is a 70k vehicle. That's insane to me. I thought you were joking but jesus you can option that fucker up to 70k. Of course I'm buying a 40k Ford Focus so...
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Postin in a meatpimp thread! I like this project and think it is neat and await further updates.
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Adiabatic posted:Postin in a meatpimp thread! Welcome to the thread, the early people drank all the good booze, but there's still some High Life in the cooler. Damned thing looks great today. My posting may need some help, but my ability to polish the poo poo out of a black car is above reproach. Pictures tomorrow.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:The used car market as of lately has been full on retarded. But - part of it was from cash for clunkers - which took a ton of cheap vehicles off the road, and peoples perceived value of things. The Barret Jackson effect has inflated anything built pre 1980, 1980's cars blew hard, and there is just not that many of them on the road - The 90's cars is when things started getting better again - but a ton of these were taken off the road by cash for clunkers, and that brings us to the 2000's which for some reason are holding their values insanely well. You are just simply getting to the point where Australia did 20 years ago - people cottoned onto the fact big km cars with a few years on them are no longer rusted out oil leaking poo poo heaps and have a hell of a lot of life left in them. Over the years I've seen US posters move from being in fear of anything beyond 160,000kms to "Yeah gently caress it, it's barely run in". 6 figures on the odo is just simply not a problem anymore. As long as the rust isnt a problem, what's there to worry about? Most cars from the 2000's will see 300-400,000 kms without missing a beat. Hell I'm now seeing used cars with 500,000 on the clock and they are driving perfectly well. Plus I'm not convinced 2010-on cars are actually better, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:You are just simply getting to the point where Australia did 20 years ago - people cottoned onto the fact big km cars with a few years on them are no longer rusted out oil leaking poo poo heaps and have a hell of a lot of life left in them. Over the years I've seen US posters move from being in fear of anything beyond 160,000kms to "Yeah gently caress it, it's barely run in". 6 figures on the odo is just simply not a problem anymore. I'm trying to convince my dad of this. He sees the 100k mile barrier as a hard cut-off and that any cars beyond that mark are junk. Neverminding the fact that the fastest car I've ever had was a 220k mile + Turbo Miata and that thing drove great. My E39 has 87k miles, but would drive no different 30k miles from now. If I flip this Buick, I'll probably go back to looking for Suburbans. Mid '00 Suburbans are extremely difficult to find under 200k miles. That tells me that a 150k mile Suburban would last me just about forever, since it's in place to be an extra car that sees only a few thousand miles per year. Things have definitely changed, and it's opened up some space to buy, if you know what you're doing. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Plus I'm not convinced 2010-on cars are actually better, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. I don't know if you edited this in, or if I missed it the first time, but I totally agree. My E39 that I mentioned, after adding a Bluetooth touchscreen nav is lacking absolutely nothing in convenience. It's got power everything, sunroof, heated seats, electronic connectivity, even a heated steering wheel... what other than increased electronic bullshit has been added to later models? Yes, some of us are starting to sound like Luddites, but go back even 10 years and you'll see that the complexity of cars has grown exponentially and, in my opinion, unnecessarily. meatpimp fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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meatpimp posted:My E39 that I mentioned, after adding a Bluetooth touchscreen nav is lacking absolutely nothing in convenience. Except actual cup holders that work  I'm honestly surprised you bought this. The book value is about $3k away from what you paid, and electronic/transmission issues can eat that up quick!
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mafoose posted:Except actual cup holders that work  quote:I'm honestly surprised you bought this. The book value is about $3k away from what you paid, and electronic/transmission issues can eat that up quick! It was a moment of weakness. It popped up on craigslist very poorly advertised with a throw-away price. The body control module started to flip its poo poo today, so that may put it on the road to quick-flip-town, but we'll see.
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rdb posted:Cars are a necessity here. Most of the country has no public transportation and is really spread out. This makes the market for vehicles bigger, and since people need to have them, they pay more. The cost of new cars has gotten really out of hand as well, and helped to prop up the used market. rdb posted:I think our lack of inspection laws help as well. Nobody gets a sheet that lists all of a cars faults, therefore it has none and is worth more. You get an MOT and that lists everything they can find wrong and the cost to repair, right? It's also only very recently that you could check up on the pass/fail history yourself. Previously, if a car failed its MOT in a major fashion, you could sell it on with whatever ticket it had left from the previous year, and no-one would be any the wiser - standard practice running a cheap car to put it in every six months, and get shot of it if you got a fright.
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meatpimp posted:It was a moment of weakness. It popped up on craigslist very poorly advertised with a throw-away price. The body control module started to flip its poo poo today, so that may put it on the road to quick-flip-town, but we'll see. What is it doing exactly? If it was me, start hitting the grounds and making sure all that poo poo is in good shape. GM electronics are fairly solid - not perfect, but they usually are decent.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:What is it doing exactly? If it was me, start hitting the grounds and making sure all that poo poo is in good shape. All of a sudden a bunch of BCM-related stuff... dinging through the speakers, speedo out, "error" showing in the odometer once the car's running (shows correctly when off or just after startup). Probably a single point of failure, but it could put me over the "want to do it" edge, since the error with the transmission was probably not the transmission at all, but the VSS... which is on top of the transmission that you can't get to because the transfer case is in the way, which is in an area that is flooded with a fluid leak, probably power steering. Bottom line -- probably a super-easy fix, but would need a subframe lowering, at least to some degree. And I'm lazy with that stuff. Edit: Is it bad that I think my red title is awesome and I decide to leave it?
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meatpimp posted:All of a sudden a bunch of BCM-related stuff... dinging through the speakers, speedo out, "error" showing in the odometer once the car's running (shows correctly when off or just after startup). Probably a single point of failure, but it could put me over the "want to do it" edge, since the error with the transmission was probably not the transmission at all, but the VSS... which is on top of the transmission that you can't get to because the transfer case is in the way, which is in an area that is flooded with a fluid leak, probably power steering. I have considered doing other cars that require sub frame drops but i am with you - I am lazy too. But if I was to do it, Id get a couple of heavy duty movers dollies or dollies that you can put a car on and move it in the garage, undo all the bolts and suspension towers, then just use an engine hoist to lift the car up. Wheel the engine out and unlimited access to do what is needed to be done. http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-1500-lb-capacity-vehicle-dollies-67338.html Something like this - But I am lazy. So I never need to worry about this.
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INTERNETRACECAR posted:you should pull the center console and slip a diaper over the ECU for when it starts taking massive diarrhea dumps all over itself and spills out into the rest of the electrical system i am the prophet of pain, yet you failed to heed my warning, and now it has come to pass
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INTERNETRACECAR posted:i am the prophet of pain, yet you failed to heed my warning, and now it has come to pass You Bucephalus'd me, coded my garage door and did it. Don't lie.
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I gotta ask, did that unknown device you ripped out have anything to do with it? Could it have been tied into the CAN bus as a little tracker from a buy here pay here?
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rdb posted:I gotta ask, did that unknown device you ripped out have anything to do with it? Could it have been tied into the CAN bus as a little tracker from a buy here pay here? That was my first thought, since that was the only electrical thing that I did anything with. I plugged it back in, but no change. Does anyone know wtf this thing is?   I believe it's aftermarket, since the cable was run across the headliner, down the a-pillar trim and under the dash to parts unknown.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the rolling garbage pile turned into a respectable if not boring daily. Deep cleaning a vehicle is good for the soul. Feels good man.
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meatpimp posted:You Bucephalus'd me, coded my garage door and did it. Don't lie. Internetracecar was talking about that problem earlier today and it sounds like check the wiring under the passenger side floorboard carpet for wiring problems for salt getting in there from shoes. Maybe its saveable?
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meatpimp posted:That was my first thought, since that was the only electrical thing that I did anything with. I plugged it back in, but no change. I'd guess it's a lojack type device, since all it seems to have on there is a radio of some kind (maybe get the numbers off of that QFN chip, so maybe we can figure out what frequencies it works with?) and an ATTiny microcontroller. Maybe if you dumped the firmware from that micro you could figure out what it's trying to do. Following the wire it was plugged into might be easier than those things, though; maybe that will give you some additional insight.
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Do the LEDs light up when you push the button, or not? (also check with smartphone camera to see if they're IR) There's a model number written on the board next to the ATTiny that's a bit hard to read - see if you can grab a pic with the other chip (the QFN)'s numbers visible, and that number (highlighted in this pic so you know what i'm talking about)  higher resolution would be useful too. It's clearly some form of universal case around the thing, so whatever it is we can expect it to be cheap and chinese.
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literally a fish posted:higher resolution would be useful too. Biggie sized:  ANT C2W3 12.8.05 is what's printed where you circled. I pulled up nothing on google with that info and/or the Atmel processor. I'll follow the wire tomorrow. meatpimp fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Gonna take a wild guess that ANT means antenna... Time to start tracing that wire.
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I'm gonna go out on a fairly short limb; Antenna unit, model C2W3, board revision date 12th of August 2005, which would imply it's been there for quite a while. The model number didn't bring anything up for me either, and the ATTiny won't get you anywhere (they're generic cheap microcontrollers used in all kinds of poo poo) - as rdb said, time to follow that wire.
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leica posted:Jesus Christ, this is why I don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. When we got our Crown Vic Sport it was ten years old, the sticker was over 33k and I think we paid 7 or 8k for it I'd unload the car if it has electrical issues, I have an EE and ET degree and say gently caress that poo poo. Thats why my Jetta is sitting in the greenhouse the last few years. Get a burban.
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Meatpimp you will always be my C70 bro and a cool guy.
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Is that cupholder a stock thing or an add on? If it's stock I'm very intrigued. With how dirty the carpet was I'm kind of surprised you didn't just pull it out and pressure wash it. It's a touch more work, but then you can get the carpet 100% clean and you don't have to sorry about getting the insulation wet. I'll be interested to see how the paint comes out, I remember seeing before and after pictures of your work in the past. You did the red MR2 a while back, right?
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literally a fish posted:I'm gonna go out on a fairly short limb; Antenna unit, model C2W3, board revision date 12th of August 2005, which would imply it's been there for quite a while. The model number didn't bring anything up for me either, and the ATTiny won't get you anywhere (they're generic cheap microcontrollers used in all kinds of poo poo) - as rdb said, time to follow that wire. Gonna guess his initial guess of something from a buy here pay here lot is correct - they often install something to render the vehicle inoperable in case of missed payments. They generally either have a way to enter a code every 2-4 weeks, or operate via some kind of cellular connection that checks in daily/weekly/etc. ... or I could be talking out of my rear end. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Mat_Drinks posted:You did the red MR2 a while back, right? He did - drat, that thing was beautiful.
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