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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Only Responsible Gun Owners can know a gun.

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Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

CommieGIR posted:

What about troubled racist white men

Well, seeing as one is a major problem in the black community and one is just a snarky comment on your behalf, I believe the former is more worthy of funding.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Hmm.
A hypothetical: what would you, forums poster Cartouche, do if a law was passed confiscating your guns? What would you do if the federal agent in charge of securing the guns you own came to your door?

Such a law would never be passed. Also I do not own guns as they were all lost in a freak boating accident.
What does this deflection have to do with the clarification that I posted and you abruptly sidestepped?

A hypothetical: you are a loon with no grounding on how the world actually works.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Cartouche posted:

Well, seeing as one is a major problem in the black community and one is just a snarky comment on your behalf, I believe the former is more worthy of funding.

Lol look at this guy can even he believe what he says?

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Cartouche posted:

Such a law would never be passed.

Then why does every toy loving freak thinking Obama is coming from there guns?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Well now we're adding "such a law would never be passed" on top of "state and local LEOs would ignore it," "federal LEOs would ignore it," "federal LEOs would get killed trying to enforce it," and "the President would be deposed if they attempted to follow up on the dead federal LEOs."

Oh, and "court challenges for decades."

So what the hell are y'all so nervous about then?

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Literally The Worst posted:

hmmm yes he's just shrugging and going #notallgunowners you're right

jesus christ you people are insufferable

Ah, "you people". What other groups do you enjoy generalizing?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Cartouche posted:

Such a law would never be passed. Also I do not own guns as they were all lost in a freak boating accident.
What does this deflection have to do with the clarification that I posted and you abruptly sidestepped?

A hypothetical: you are a loon with no grounding on how the world actually works.

i don't think you know what a hypothetical is

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Cartouche posted:

Ah, "you people". What other groups do you enjoy generalizing?

you got me guy, i'm tired of anti-gun control goons posting in bad faith and being insulting dickweeds who refuse to engage with others while insisting everyone engage with their ideas, that's the same thing as racism

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Hahaha, why was I expecting anything other than a deflection?



:ironicat:

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

NNick posted:

Then why does every toy loving freak thinking Obama is coming from there guns?

Because not all do, yet the ones that do cause panic buying which makes things like ammo more scarce for those who dont think he's coming for the guns? Dunno dude, not many people even in tfr believe he could do such a thing.mDoesnt mean that he is not the cause of hoarding.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Literally The Worst posted:

you got me guy, i'm tired of anti-gun control goons posting in bad faith and being insulting dickweeds who refuse to engage with others while insisting everyone engage with their ideas, that's the same thing as racism

You truly are the worst. Even tezzor at his worst is a better poster than you. At least he is entertaining.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Cartouche posted:

You truly are the worst. Even tezzor at his worst is a better poster than you. At least he is entertaining.

im sorry i have upset you, you'll just have to find someone new to drop your sick nasty burns on while continuing to pretend to want to debate gun control

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

There is nothing to debate. Guns are not going anywhere, they are fun and pretty awesome.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Would you say that Obama and the Gun Grabbin' Hordes are - if you will - both strong and weak, depending on the shift of rhetorical focus?

Cartouche posted:

There is nothing to debate. Guns are not going anywhere, they are fun and pretty awesome.
If you want to just sink all these threads you could just start posting the Goatman in 'em. Sure, you'll go down, but freedom isn't free.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Hey dickeye, guns are good, murder is low enough and gun laws are stupid. Most people understand this which is why gun control doesn't go anywhere, bullshit push polls and concerned mom marches notwithstanding

e: beaten, somehow

woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Oct 25, 2015

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Cartouche posted:

Doesnt mean that he is not the cause of hoarding.

Hahahah. Yep, it's Obama not all of the "law abiding gun owners" who shoot up schools/churches/etc and and then are disowned by "law abiding gun owners' who are in the same breath willing to shoot at federal officers to take away their precious toys :cry: and react to said shooting by buying more guns.

Can someone who wants unfettered access to guns explain why the US has a unique problem with gun violence AND suicide the rest of the developed nations do not? Is it also Obama? You can also provide a positive viewpoint on these issues, but I haven't seen one reasonable prognosis or policy solution.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Nessus posted:

Would you say that Obama and the Gun Grabbin' Hordes are - if you will - both strong and weak, depending on the shift of rhetorical focus?
If you want to just sink all these threads you could just start posting the Goatman in 'em. Sure, you'll go down, but freedom isn't free.

Hold on loosely, but dont let go. If you cling to tightly, youre going to lose control.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

SedanChair posted:

Hey dickeye, guns are good, murder is low enough

i've said this before but i was raised in a hunting family. i like guns. i think guns are cool as poo poo. i enjoy shooting guns. i have not had the chance to do it in years but it was always something i enjoyed doing. living in the burbs i have to settle for an air rifle and tin cans in the treeline

but i think saying murder is low enough when there's a mass shooting every week or two is kinda dumb bruh

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Literally The Worst posted:

i've said this before but i was raised in a hunting family. i like guns. i think guns are cool as poo poo. i enjoy shooting guns. i have not had the chance to do it in years but it was always something i enjoyed doing. living in the burbs i have to settle for an air rifle and tin cans in the treeline

but i think saying murder is low enough when there's a mass shooting every week or two is kinda dumb bruh

And you like to pretend that it is the white racist man who is commiting the vast majority. Any nod toward the bulk of said mass shootings is considered "bad faith" by you. The "kinda dumb" feels a eminating from your own keyboard... bruh.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Cartouche posted:

And you like to pretend that it is the white racist man who is commiting the vast majority. Any nod toward the bulk of said mass shootings is considered "bad faith" by you.

quote the posts where i said that please

edit no doing some smug "oh so generalization is bad NOW" bullshit either, you disingenuous shithead. you're specifically saying that these are things i've said, you need to back that up

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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So are you saying black people should have MORE guns, LESS guns, THE SAME AMOUNT of guns? Should the guns be distributed differently? What is the assertion about black people now

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


LeJackal posted:

Actually hunting is an important part of conservation and wildlife management. In addition, many families and individuals still hunt as a means for survival, to actually have enough food.

(I'd ask if you're a vegetarian - are you placing flavor/convenience over the life of sentient beings?)
Of course I am. And even if I weren't, there is no hypocrisy being opposed to the killing of animals for sport but not for food.
Wildlife management and hunting for sport do not completely overlap.
I'd be in favor of subsidizing these families and their access to food. Having to resort to actual hunting for your own food is pretty weird, but not immoral as would be hunting for sport though.

LeJackal posted:

So just about every firearm is exempt from your proposals. Thats neato.
You'd go hunting with a Glock? And you call yourself a hunter? Lol.
The primary purpose of many many guns is not hunting. They wouldn't be useful for that. They aren't used for that. No serious hunter uses them for hunting.

LeJackal posted:

No, there are a number of categories that are technically sound and distinct. Smoothbore versus rifled, categorization by their mechanism of action, caliber, open versus closed bolt, method of loading, and so on. These distinctions aren't arbitrary in the slightest.
And all these categories are actually meaningless in determining the purpose of a gun.
Denying that most guns are made with a certain purpose in mind for each of them is the peak of absurdity. Why do you think there is so much variety among guns?

LeJackal posted:

I don't even understand this part.
Let me try again.
Would you abandon such categories as "small arms" vs. "light weapons"? What about "long gun"? Are these categories meaningless?
And demanding that the classification of guns limit itself to technical categories is a red herring. Because we can classify guns according to their purpose, and that's absolutely legitimate. If we want to create a category called "hunting guns", that regroups guns that are used for hunting, we can.
If there's no way I can make this distinction, I'm going to have to abandon the idea of an exception for hunting. I'm sorry, LeJackal, but if it can't be done, then it can't be done.

LeJackal posted:

Too cumbersome? By what standard? What is cumbersome? Overall length? Weight? What do you mean by disproportionate lethality?
This isn't a distraction at all - if you can't articulate your goals and thoughts, why even bring it up?
Of course it is a distraction.

LingcodKilla posted:

Why are you so creepy? Like seriously this is the sandbox but drat dude ... Of almost all the posters here you seem like the one most likely to be furiously jacking off over the deaths of others.

I've held people at gun point threatening my life. At no point afterward did I second guess myself on why didn't I take the shot so I could have a personal snuff porn spank bank.

Federal agents ain't stupid and any law would be locked up in the courts for decades. Like that's a better question to ask people in a hundred years or so.
Why are you unable to answer my question? What would you loving do? Comply with the law? Or not?
What about a law that mandated registration and permits? What would you do? Would you comply?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Nessus posted:

So are you saying black people should have MORE guns, LESS guns, THE SAME AMOUNT of guns? Should the guns be distributed differently? What is the assertion about black people now

Personally I'm not worried about it

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


I'd like to point out that none of the pro-gun people around here has come out and said "I would be a law-abiding citizen and surrender my guns if the law mandated it".
Nor have they even deigned to say "I would register my gun and get a permit if the law mandated it".

I am not sure any person who wouldn't say these things ought to own a gun.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

SedanChair posted:

Personally I'm not worried about it

you know guys i don't think sedanchair is really

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Appologies. Got you confused with

CommieGIR posted:

What about troubled racist white men

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Nessus posted:

So are you saying black people should have MORE guns, LESS guns, THE SAME AMOUNT of guns? Should the guns be distributed differently? What is the assertion about black people now

I am not one in here saying who should and who should not have guns. :shrug:

edit: or maybe I am saying that the guns are not the root of the violent events?

Cartouche fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Oct 25, 2015

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Y'all hate the constitution. You are asking a question that implies our government as it currently stands has been ripped apart and rewritten. It has no foundation in reality so I'll give you an appropriate answer.

gently caress yah I'd go full wolverine while you cower behind your blue helmeted commie thug/ mercenaries.

It would be glorious.

WOLVERINES!!!

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

LingcodKilla posted:

Y'all hate the constitution. You are asking a question that implies our government as it currently stands has been ripped apart and rewritten. It has no foundation in reality so I'll give you an appropriate answer.

gently caress yah I'd go full wolverine while you cower behind your blue helmeted commie thug/ mercenaries.

It would be glorious.

WOLVERINES!!!

Never go full wolverine. Look at what it got Timothy Michael Howel (however you spell it). I like to think I would be the introspective Patrick Swayze type.

BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Actually I'm just trying to understand why you guys are so paranoid when there's apparently like six interlocking systems that prevent gun control legislation from occurring

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

LingcodKilla posted:

Y'all hate the constitution. You are asking a question that implies our government as it currently stands has been ripped apart and rewritten. It has no foundation in reality so I'll give you an appropriate answer.

gently caress yah I'd go full wolverine while you cower behind your blue helmeted commie thug/ mercenaries.

It would be glorious.

WOLVERINES!!!

gently caress the constitution, but gently caress the people who want to replace it with a stock photo of a man evincing sympathy even harder

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Nessus posted:

Actually I'm just trying to understand why you guys are so paranoid when there's apparently like six interlocking systems that prevent gun control legislation from occurring

Who are these "guys" you are referencing?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Nessus posted:

Actually I'm just trying to understand why you guys are so paranoid when there's apparently like six interlocking systems that prevent gun control legislation from occurring

because what do you think the sixth way is

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


I'm smiling because the 2nd Amendment does not prevent gun control. So what will you do, Cartouche, LingcodKilla, if gun control is passed? Will you register your guns? Will you apply for a permit?

I don't care if you think it's impossible. It's not.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Flowers For Algeria posted:

I'm smiling because the 2nd Amendment does not prevent gun control. So what will you do, Cartouche, LingcodKilla, if gun control is passed? Will you register your guns? Will you apply for a permit?

I don't care if you think it's impossible. It's not.

If you say so. Only the most idiotic politician would push for gun control at this point. They would be commiting political suicide. Fittingly involving a gun.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Flowers For Algeria posted:

I'm smiling because the 2nd Amendment does not prevent gun control. So what will you do, Cartouche, LingcodKilla, if gun control is passed? Will you register your guns? Will you apply for a permit?

I don't care if you think it's impossible. It's not.

Gun control was already passed, we're out here scrupulously buying from dealers, filling out paperwork and not having machine guns, thanks :mad:

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Don't forget the hearing protection we could enjoy from suppressors, because of THAT "common sense" regulation.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Cartouche posted:

Who are these "guys" you are referencing?


Cartouche posted:

Such a law would never be passed. Also I do not own guns as they were all lost in a freak boating accident.

DeusExMachinima posted:

For once, you're within the neighborhood of being right. The majority would give up. But even if you waved a magic wand that made every semi-automatic vanish *and* 99.99% of American gun owners folded, you're still looking at a larger force than AQI at its peak, armed with bolt-action hunting rifles that just so happen to be great for sniper attacks.

tumblr.txt posted:

To many people, widespread confiscation is pissing all over the constitution, and honestly has a chance of starting a civil war.
Eh, probably just some poo poo I made up

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Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Cartouche posted:

If you say so.

I notice that you're still failing to answer the question. Is it because you're afraid to admit you'd stop being a law-abiding citizen, or because you're afraid of looking weak because you'd obey the law?

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