c++ ... i've heard good things

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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

the same thing everyone thinks of, making the cum happen

:synpa:

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:00

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# ? May 3, 2024 06:54

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

echinopsis posted:

i made an arduino code but ive never objected it

I really don't think your arduinos code would benefit from making it more object oriented

like if you're coding and you're naturally thinking of whatever you''re doing as "objects with methods and whatever" then go ahead and do it. If you're not then it's fine, your code is probably better this way and if it still feels iffy maybe you just need to break the code into smaller functions? my point is that you can't shove some bullshit class taxonomy over every problem, there's usually better ways to achieve encapsulation.

and c++ makes oop way harder and more frustrating than it needs to be

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:37

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

hackbunny posted:

I've built a whole program with C++, AMA

how do you feel about C++ lambdas

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:38

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

ikanreed posted:

Microsoft Visual C++ 5.0 is so much more convenient than their Borland C++ competitors!

i don't think so tim

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:45

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

c++ is in their weird place where its not as good as C for systems programming, and also not as good as c# for userspace programming

# ? Oct 23, 2015 14:46

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Symbolic Butt posted:

how do you feel about C++ lambdas

hahahahaha I wish I could use C++11

I think they're cool, wish I had an excuse to learn them. template lambdas are even cooler and probably the closest C++ will ever get to AST manipulation

# ? Oct 23, 2015 15:44

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
Computer Touching; Toilet Rascal

first time i've ever encountered a lambda in a c++ codebase was during debugging. someone was capturing a local stack variable reference and passing the lambda to be executed asynchronously on another thread :shepicide:

not really the best first impression

# ? Oct 23, 2015 16:01

BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

hackbunny posted:

hahahahaha I wish I could use C++11

I think they're cool, wish I had an excuse to learn them. template lambdas are even cooler and probably the closest C++ will ever get to AST manipulation

closest you'll ever get to rear end manipulation

# ? Oct 23, 2015 17:38

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Symbolic Butt posted:

I really don't think your arduinos code would benefit from making it more object oriented

like if you're coding and you're naturally thinking of whatever you''re doing as "objects with methods and whatever" then go ahead and do it. If you're not then it's fine, your code is probably better this way and if it still feels iffy maybe you just need to break the code into smaller functions? my point is that you can't shove some bullshit class taxonomy over every problem, there's usually better ways to achieve encapsulation.

and c++ makes oop way harder and more frustrating than it needs to be

no way in hell my arduino program needed objects! lol

my only experience with objects is in ue4 and they are fuckon indispensable I honesty don't know how people would get anything done without objects to be honest

# ? Oct 23, 2015 19:30

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

echinopsis posted:

no way in hell my arduino program needed objects! lol

my only experience with objects is in ue4 and they are fuckon indispensable I honesty don't know how people would get anything done without objects to be honest

code:

struct fart
{
    int volume;
    long smell;
}

void release_gas(struct fart);

# ? Oct 23, 2015 19:43

BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

just use void* arrays

# ? Oct 23, 2015 19:59

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

Cat Face Joe posted:

ive never coded anything. I have nerds to do that for me

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:08

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

ive never farmed anything. I have displeased moo cows to do that for me

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:13

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

BONGHITZ posted:

just use void* arrays

this but unironically

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:22

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

Symbolic Butt posted:

ive never farmed anything. I have displeased moo cows to do that for me

I thought everyone farmed in your part of the world

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:28

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

BONGHITZ posted:

just use void* arrays

lol I have an old project where I used STL containers with void * elements "because templates bloat code". it's actually really, really, really, really stupid. I was also using Borland C++Builder, which used STLPort, which internally already uses a generic non-template rbtree structure with void * keys/elements to implement map and set. lol, just lol

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:42

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

I thought everyone farmed in your part of the world

HAH NO, brazil's rural population is 15%, less than USA's 19% and new zealand's... *puts glasses* 14%?!? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

# ? Oct 23, 2015 20:45

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

suck on your Brazilian beef :chord:

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:03

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

symbolic, are you one of the reef jandal babes

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:35

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Symbolic Butt posted:

HAH NO, brazil's rural population is 15%, less than USA's 19% and new zealand's... *puts glasses* 14%?!? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

we're just incredibly efficient at stripping our relatively Virgin land of everything good and wholesale and life giving

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:37

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

milk it, baby

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:48

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

milk it, baby

heh.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:48

BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

cities have alot of people in them

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:50

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

I like to think so

# ? Oct 23, 2015 21:53

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Symbolic Butt posted:

HAH NO, brazil's rural population is 15%, less than USA's 19% and new zealand's... *puts glasses* 14%?!? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

all anglo colonies, apart from the US, have this weird thing where we all live in a few mega cities instead of lots of medium cities idk why

c++ seems cool if you hate yourself

# ? Oct 23, 2015 22:56

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

my stepdads beer posted:

all anglo colonies, apart from the US, have this weird thing where we all live in a few mega cities instead of lots of medium cities idk why

it's pretty common in europe too

germany is the exception since they were a bunch of countries with their own major cities that then merged together

# ? Oct 23, 2015 23:07

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

i work on a large latency sensitive distributed system in c++, ask me things and i wont answer

# ? Oct 23, 2015 23:10

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

we all want things to be nice for us.

c++ is for the other times.

# ? Oct 23, 2015 23:10

Feisty-Cadaver: Jun 1, 2000; The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.

Dessert Rose posted:

i work on a large latency sensitive distributed system in c++, ask me things and i wont answer

is it some sort of bullshit HFT financial garage xfer system that provides no value to anyone ever in the history of the universe but makes your bank millions of dollars a year?

# ? Oct 24, 2015 12:59

k-zed: Dec 1, 2008; Fallen Rib

Feisty-Cadaver posted:

is it some sort of bullshit HFT financial garage xfer system that provides no value to anyone ever in the history of the universe but makes your bank millions of dollars a year?

i work on exactly that. all your pension money is ours

# ? Oct 24, 2015 15:17

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Feisty-Cadaver posted:

is it some sort of bullshit HFT financial garage xfer system that provides no value to anyone ever in the history of the universe but makes your bank millions of dollars a year?

no it helps humans communicate with each other

# ? Oct 24, 2015 19:39

KoRMaK: Jul 31, 2012

I tried to learn objective C and its just the worst.

I appreciate the premise of everthing being a message, but why do I have to pass all params as a hash AND in order?

Sandy Metz helped me realize how everything I did before ruby was a bastardized version of object oriented programming, it was more procedural programming with objects.

# ? Oct 25, 2015 05:25

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Feisty-Cadaver posted:

is it some sort of bullshit HFT financial garage xfer system that provides no value to anyone ever in the history of the universe but makes your bank millions of dollars a year?

its skype or some other awful microsoft crap fyi

# ? Oct 25, 2015 05:28

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Doc Block posted:

LOL if you only use c++ as c with objects

actually, LOL if you use c++

[ObjectiveC supremacy]

some of us were even using it before iPhone

or Mac OS X

# ? Oct 25, 2015 05:55

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

hackbunny posted:

I thought C++11 made it perfect but then C++14 made it somehow even better, and the upcoming C++17 is impossibly even better than C++14

so terrifyingly wrong

what's next, thinking Windows is a good OS with a nice API?

# ? Oct 25, 2015 05:59

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Symbolic Butt posted:

how do you feel about C++ lambdas

a poor cousin to blocks (which are a C thing rather than just an ObjC thing)

in clang at least they're interoperable

# ? Oct 25, 2015 06:01

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Ludwig van Halen posted:

c++ is in their weird place where its not as good as C for systems programming, and also not as good as c# for userspace programming

EC++ is actually good for systems programming though

it's C++ except without templates or exceptions, just the "C with objects" parts

that's what Darwin IOKit is built with, and it's damned useful, it was only a matter of creating a subclass in a few lines of code for me to write a display driver (for one example)

# ? Oct 25, 2015 06:02

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

KoRMaK posted:

I tried to learn objective C and its just the worst.

I appreciate the premise of everthing being a message, but why do I have to pass all params as a hash AND in order?

Sandy Metz helped me realize how everything I did before ruby was a bastardized version of object oriented programming, it was more procedural programming with objects.

umm, name a c-derived language where you don't pass in the arguments in order?

I don't know what you mean by having to pass the arguments as a hash.

the argument names are part of the selector (aka the method name), so for:
[someObject pissOn:steve andThenShitOn:bill];
the actual method name is -pissOn:andThenShitOn:

Objective-C was heavily influenced by SmallTalk.

# ? Oct 25, 2015 06:11

KoRMaK: Jul 31, 2012

With ruby (and any language that has hash like params) it doesn't have to be in order.

IT seems like obj-c forced you to used hashes, but they also had to be in order.

I didn't spend a lot of time with it, it seemed overly difficult. I might be missing something that makes it truely great

# ? Oct 25, 2015 06:13

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# ? May 3, 2024 06:54

pram: Jun 10, 2001

ruby is poo poo

# ? Oct 25, 2015 06:16

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