|
sarehu posted:If your double-o agent's best plan is show up and turn themselves in at your enemy's volcano mansion, it would be a good idea to have Q equip them with a 2-shot buttplug zip gun. When Q said "the alarm is pretty loud" or whatever, for some reason I thought he meant it was some high-pitched siren Bond could use as a distraction, not a bomb. If Bond was me I would have accidentally blown myself up in that drill chair.
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2015 19:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 20:32 |
|
|
Hobo Clown posted:When Q said "the alarm is pretty loud" or whatever, for some reason I thought he meant it was some high-pitched siren Bond could use as a distraction, not a bomb. If Bond was me I would have accidentally blown myself up in that drill chair. Same. I thought it was going to be some high-pitched device that would shatter glass and bust eardrums or something. Would have been funny to see Blofeld's reaction if Bond just suddenly exploded in the chair though. Also, I'm not really tired of Bond getting device watches, but I am tired of people capturing Bond and not taking his watch. Even if you don't know that it's a special watch, it's still the smart thing to do. How many people in prison do you see wearing watches?
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2015 19:37
|
|
|
Hobo Clown posted:When Q said "the alarm is pretty loud" or whatever, for some reason I thought he meant it was some high-pitched siren Bond could use as a distraction, not a bomb. If Bond was me I would have accidentally blown myself up in that drill chair.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2015 20:11
|
|
|
In 2015, I'd find a wristwatch to be the most suspicious thing a person could wear. Bond can't stay an hour in one country. He must have adjusting that thing to each time zone down to a science.
|
|
#
?
Dec 9, 2015 01:13
|
|
|
Detective No. 27 posted:In 2015, I'd find a wristwatch to be the most suspicious thing a person could wear.
|
|
#
?
Dec 9, 2015 01:26
|
|
|
Le Chiffre really was the smartest of them all, a naked Bond was indeed completely helpless!
|
|
#
?
Dec 9, 2015 10:45
|
|
|
Violator posted:I don't remember, did Bond see his parents die? His reaction would make a lot of sense if he did, and I guess it does even if he didn't. I think I was so caught up in what I expected from that scene that I didn't actually notice what it was trying to say. The theme for all three characters was death of their parents: Bond knew the pain from his parents dying when he was a child, Blofeld knew the pain of his father "loving" Bond more and killing his father for it, and Madeleine just had her father die. For some reason I didn't realize that was a central theme for all three of them. If they wanted this to be an important theme it would have been nice to learn a little more of what Blofeld was talking about. So his dad looked after bond - fine. How did Bond's parents die again and how old was he? I have no idea and I don't remember that being something the movie really talked about. It all felt like another little thing dropped in for past Bond lovers rather than something important in this film.
|
|
#
?
Dec 11, 2015 01:23
|
|
|
Detective No. 27 posted:In 2015, I'd find a wristwatch to be the most suspicious thing a person could wear. The 12 hour bezel on the Seamaster he wears in the movie is designed to let you the tell time in two different time zones 
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2015 16:56
|
|
|
Detective No. 27 posted:In 2015, I'd find a wristwatch to be the most suspicious thing a person could wear. I wear a watch every day. Because I'm not allowed to take out my cellphone on the factory floor.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2015 17:22
|
|
|
I like wearing a wristwatch.  They feel good on the arm.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2015 17:43
|
|
|
Detective No. 27 posted:In 2015, I'd find a wristwatch to be the most suspicious thing a person could wear. *looks up to sky* You clearly don't understand fashion.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2015 04:53
|
|
|
They're basically jewellery for men. Look we have few enough pretty shiny things it's acceptable to wear, don't go taking this away
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2015 19:10
|
|
|
The "lol who even wears wristwatches anymore" crowd is completely mental to me. I wear a watch to check the time. I have always done so and always will. I know that smartphones tell the time, too, but I'm not going to reach into my pocket for that. People used to do that before the invention of watches on wrists. How is this hard to understand? And yes, some people also wear them for fashion and of course you also cannot argue against that, so there is even less of a reason to be completely dumbfounded at the continuing existance of anachronistic relic of days long gone, a loving watch.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2015 19:39
|
|
|
Not only do I wear a watch everyday, I wear ones that are completely mechanical, suck my dick 
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2015 19:45
|
|
|
Finally saw this. I'm torn. I feel like it was a very complicated game of checkers, played with an overly gilded board. Stop pretending it's chess! Anyway, so much said here already, so my pointless nitpicks. The Spectre logo is an octopus...with seven tentacles. This bugs me way more than it should. And why are the streets of Rome and London so deserted? Holy cow the callbacks! I get it, it's fun. But after a while it was like the Wilhelm scream and became a big distraction. Namely, this is the first time Spectre has been in an official Bond movie since Diamonds Are Forever. So... "Pussy" said as cat is on 007's lap...a callback to Goldfinger. Cat is callback to Blofeld. Blofeld is callback to Blofeld. His outfit is a callback to Dr. No. So is his welcome to his lair, asking 007 and the girl to dress and rest and have drinks. Large henchman is a callback to From Russia With Love and Goldfinger. His fight with 007 on the train is a callback to From Russia With Love. Infiltrating a funeral is a callback to Thunderball. The day of the dead imagery seems like a callback to Live and Let Die. A hollowed out volcanic layer (that I think is actually a volcanic tuff ring, not caused by a meteor) is a callback to You Only Live Twice. So is the meeting in Tokyo...with other spy agencies (kinda). The meeting in Rome, complete with a high-up getting killed off, is a callback to From Russia With Love (and Goldfinger I guess). The henchman getting his clothes set on fire in a fight is a callback to Diamonds Are Forever. When the Moriarty guy falls, the upside-down CNS logo kinda looks like it says "no"...Dr. No? Henchman flying out of train could also be a callback to Live and Let Die. Mountaintop callback to On Her Majesty's Secret Service. So is falling for a once-villain's daughter. Also, who builds telescopes where half the view is obscured by walls? Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Dec 25, 2015 |
|
#
?
Dec 25, 2015 19:04
|
|
|
Here's Radiohead's rejected Spectre theme. Unconventional for a Bond movie but way more interesting than what we ended up with.
|
|
#
?
Dec 25, 2015 19:32
|
|
|
It would have been so much better, but the UK Bond watching public (ie idiots) would have hated it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 25, 2015 22:03
|
|
|
Here's Radiohead doing an older Bond song, if you liked that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2015 00:57
|
|
|
Found this one to be a bit dull .. after watching the MI movie this year, it just feels like I'm watching the exact same formula every time.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2015 06:31
|
|
|
This film is practically science fiction. You have the subtle new version of the Bond timeline going on. Each successive Craig-Bond film reacts differently to the previous ones. You have Casino Royale, a pretty hard reboot, its direct sequel, then Skyfall which treats all of the previous films as a semi-canon blur of 'James Bond stuff' it references as part of the larger story of the Bond tale's relevance, and now you have a new version of history where the last three films are all brought into a unified canon and rounded off. It's not necessarily good or bad to do this, but I like that each film has taken liberties with the previous films and which are important to tell the best story. The imagery in this movie is fantastic. It plays out as close to a full-length version of the traditional bond OP you can get in a conventional narrative. I especially like opening the film with an elongated scene of Bond playing a skeleton, and the cool-rear end mirror stuff towards the end with Blofeld. The scene with the meteorite was pretty great, too. Also watchchat: This era's bond (and quite a bit of the Brosnan stuff too, now that I think about it) likes to reflect upon the kinds of spy hijinx that took place in the previous films, and giving Bond literally one gadget that's just a bomb in a watch is a great joke. It's not quite as good as Literally A Radio, or A Gun, but it's up there. It's simultaneously satirising the original stuff's silliness and the 'I wonder how this will turn out to be useful' setups, while also straightforwardly saying that hey, you know what spies like? Guns. Also, the reason they didn't take his watch was because that would be too obvious. It's 2015. Who has spy poo poo in their Omega? The spy-watch has come full-circle to unexpected again. Hey look it fits the theme of whether Bond-style espionage is relevant any more. And the answer is, it is, precisely because people don't think it is. I think I preferred Skyfall a bit but I'm going to have to digest it a little more first. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Dec 26, 2015 |
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2015 22:23
|
|
|
Finally got around to watching this. It's a little unnerving that I have no problem processing Dr. Evil or hacking into databases in 5 minutes or all of the Brosnan era bullshit, but the idea of China agreeing to share intelligence information with South Africa was the last straw and ruined the movie for me. tirinal fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Jan 4, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2016 08:15
|
|
|
I'm really glad to come to this thread and see that nobody else thought this made any loving sense because I'm usually pretty good at watching movies while really drunk. But this made no loving sense. What were the stakes? I guess SPECTRE was going to get some intelligence data... or something? Godawful movie. The scene with Monica Belluci and Craig was really sexy though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2016 04:46
|
|
|
The Walrus posted:I'm really glad to come to this thread and see that nobody else thought this made any loving sense because I'm usually pretty good at watching movies while really drunk. But this made no loving sense. What were the stakes? I guess SPECTRE was going to get some intelligence data... or something? Godawful movie. The scene with Monica Belluci and Craig was really sexy though. It's funny that you mention seeing this movie drunk because I saw it the first time drunk, walked out because it sucked, then went to see it again assuming I was just too drunk to like it the first time. I gained much respect for my drunk self after seeing this movie sober.
|
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2016 04:52
|
|
|
Finally got around to watch this and the most bewildering thing about it was that there was a trailer in front of it for a movie about Vilerat 
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2016 16:51
|
|
|
I'm sure this has been covered in this thread, but anyone else get the feeling that Hinx's through-the-windshield crash is setting the stage for him to return as a new Jaws (Spy Who Loved Me/Moonraker)?Asehujiko posted:Finally got around to watch this and the most bewildering thing about it was that there was a trailer in front of it for a movie about Vilerat Glad I am not the only one who saw that... that feels kind of hosed up, still. Like watching a trailer for a 9/11 movie in Feb 2002.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 23:20
|
|
|
FreelanceSocialist posted:Glad I am not the only one who saw that... that feels kind of hosed up, still. Like watching a trailer for a 9/11 movie in Feb 2002.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 01:11
|
|
|
FreelanceSocialist posted:I'm sure this has been covered in this thread, but anyone else get the feeling that Hinx's through-the-windshield crash is setting the stage for him to return as a new Jaws (Spy Who Loved Me/Moonraker)? Considering that this movie is stumbling over itself trying to establish multi-movie continuity like Marvel, it must have at least been a hope for them. It's especially odd since even besides Jaws, this series already had lots of cross movie continuity. Obviously there is Blofeld and Spectre, but there's also Felix, Gogol and Wade, and not to mention the film staple that is Q. Also, before Craig, each bond dealt with his wife being killed at least once. It's not quite the same as it wasn't exactly planned out that way, and lawsuits and strikes and such got in the way. I mean, Bond has always been a function of its time; I'd say Live and Let Die and Moonraker are the most obvious examples of a Bond film made to capitalize on the film markets they were released into (Blaxploitation and Star Wars, respectively). The Craig bonds could be fit into that category as well, following the trend of gritty reboots and origin stories. So it's not that I expect Bond to remain some sort of cultural artifact, unchanging and historic. I just wish their insistence on market-seeking conformity didn't also snuff out what could make these into decent movies. Are the best bond movies the ones that are chained closely to movie trends or the ones that blaze their own trails? Probably neither. Skyfall is basically just a remake of The Dark Knight but it works. On the other hand, I don't believe that The Man With The Golden Gun is chasing any film genres, but instead references real news with the energy crisis, much like The Living Daylights contains the Mujihadeen during the Soviet-Afghan War. Then again, what do I know? I really like Diamonds Are Forever 
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 13:48
|
|
|
Magnetic North posted:Considering that this movie is stumbling over itself trying to establish multi-movie continuity like Marvel, it must have at least been a hope for them. Now people are attributing the existence of sequels carrying over events and characters between them to Marvel? Just like there can't be ensemble movies without prior movies establishing every character beforehand, thank you, Marvel, for also giving birth to the action-comedy. quote:Skyfall is basically just a remake of The Dark Knight but it works.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:28
|
|
|
oops, double post
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:29
|
|
|
Magnetic North posted:Then again, what do I know? I really like Diamonds Are Forever Diamonds are Forever isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Certainly better than Thunderball, which has near universal praise.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:31
|
|
|
Sense and Motion posted:I keep seeing this, mostly in other forums, and I have yet to see anyone make a solid case for it. Where does this even come from? Is it from the fact that the villain gets caught on purpose? Because, if so, then the Dark Knight is already a remake of a whole lot of movies on that basis alone. Both films are a discussion of the 'relevance' of their story's heroes. A good deal of time is spent in each film discussing this - IE whether the dark knight should be retired in favor of the 'white knight' harvey dent, whether or not wayne himself sees batman as necessary or wants to make a world where he's not needed, etc - skyfall treats MI6 as an institution similarly, even going as far as to kill Bond and have him be reborn.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:32
|
|
|
Hbomberguy posted:Both films are a discussion of the 'relevance' of their story's heroes. A good deal of time is spent in each film discussing this - IE whether the dark knight should be retired in favor of the 'white knight' harvey dent, whether or not wayne himself sees batman as necessary or wants to make a world where he's not needed, etc - skyfall treats MI6 as an institution similarly, even going as far as to kill Bond and have him be reborn. I still don't see it beyond a minor thematic link (edit: that is, too minor to warrant calling it a 'remake'). Skyfall is too dreamlike to be a remake of the harsh 90 degree angle-ridden Dark Knight, and Skyfall's depressed Bond and later rebirth is more akin to The Dark Knight Rises than anything in The Dark Knight. Also, it's The Dark Knight Rises that is all about Bruce Wayne's mom (not in the same way as Skyfall and Bond's "mom", but in the fact that it also deals with the theme), not The Dark Knight.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:38
|
|
|
Sense and Motion posted:I still don't see it beyond a minor thematic link. Skyfall is too dreamlike to be a remake of the harsh 90 degree angle-ridden Dark Knight, and Skyfall's depressed Bond and later rebirth is more akin to The Dark Knight Rises than anything in The Dark Knight. Also, it's The Dark Knight Rises that is all about Bruce Wayne's mom (not in the same way as Skyfall and Bond's "mom", but in the fact that it also deals with the theme), not The Dark Knight. Dark Knight is also dreamlike, but it's specifically the dreams of Wayne, Gordon and Dent. 'Reality' in the form of the Joker, intrudes in the form of literal diagetic camcorder footage. Batman defeats him by becoming more surreal, entering a bizarre Universe where he can see through walls thanks to his magic cybereyes. The presentation of the film makes it come off specifically as a dream of being an 'objective' master of reality. You see that stuff unfold in its own way in Inception, where the dreams are also very un-dreamy, conforming to elaborate rules and so on.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:45
|
|
|
Hbomberguy posted:It's not really minor. 'Is Batman a good idea at all?' and 'Is James Bond a necessary hero?' are basically the central questions of each story. I suppose I don't see the Dark Knight that way. I get where you're coming from with it being dreamlike, but the movie is constantly 'waking up'. Especially the ending, which I don't see as entering a bizarre universe like that, but rather of awakening from it into a harsh reality, because the entire cybereyes sequence before the ending is Batman missing the point of the conflict between him and the Joker. It becomes a ridiculous surreal battle escalated into by him, but all along distracting from the consequences of his actions, which is why the actual ending (with Dent, then batman running away like a chump, limping, with real dogs as opposed to Joker as a dog chasing him) is devoid of that dreamlikeness you mention. It even ends with Batman 'waking up' from his little delusion, entering a light of sorts. Skyfall, on the other hand, surrenders itself into outright dream logic (not just dreaminess), to the point where the sequel embraces it and it is James Bond basically still 'in the past', finding his true self there, and finding the culprit for all his troubles alongside himself in the deepest of the dreams, not in the Casino Royale 'action movie reality'. Thanks for replying, though, since I see where you come from, though I'm not really onboard. Sense and Motion fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jan 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 15:14
|
|
|
Batman's dream is precisely of a world where being Batman makes sense, and is a realistic response to violence. It's a vastly different kind of dream from what you'd expect from a more creative person, but it remains one. In other words, where you see Batman waking up, I see the deeper fantasy of being a 'realist'.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 15:30
|
|
|
Hbomberguy posted:Batman's dream is precisely of a world where being Batman makes sense, and is a realistic response to violence. It's a vastly different kind of dream from what you'd expect from a more creative person, but it remains one. We're not really disagreeing on this point, except maybe on the implications of the ending itself. Which can be taken on its own or with The Dark Knight Rises, and that may lead to our differing views, since I think I'm in the minority here on liking (and on why I like) Dark Knight Rises. Point is, I don't see the same for James Bond, especially with the followup of SPECTRE (though I do think the movie owns).
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 15:35
|
|
|
I think the word "remake" is a bit strong, but there were some pretty striking similarities when I watched it in theaters. The themes discussed above about whether the main character is still relevant (though, to be fair, Bond has done this before) for one, the fact that the villains plot in both is incredibly complicated, to the point of basically being impossible to properly line up (though...again, Bond is basically known for this), plus, after seeing The Dark Knight and The Avengers, seeing yet another movie where the villain is captured on purpose in order to break out and do "a thing" was starting to feel a bit old. That being said, by the end it starts feeling more like Home Alone, so I'm good with it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 16:16
|
|
|
thrawn527 posted:yet another movie where the villain is captured on purpose in order to break out and do "a thing" was starting to feel a bit old. http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-5-best-and-5-worst-i-wanted-to-get-caught-villain-1683927339
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 16:30
|
|
|
CharlieWhiskey posted:http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-5-best-and-5-worst-i-wanted-to-get-caught-villain-1683927339 Some of these came after, and some aren't really the same (Into Darkness wasn't really Khan with a crazy complicated plan, he just wanted to get on the ship where his men were however possible). But yeah, there were more examples, Avengers and Dark Knight were just the most recent/prominent/closely resembling examples.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 16:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 20:32 |
|
|
thrawn527 posted:Diamonds are Forever isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Certainly better than Thunderball, which has near universal praise. I wouldn't say at all that Thunderball has near universal praise. I think most people agree that the scuba battle is one of the most boring scenes in the entire franchise! Plus the rape of Nurse Fearing, which is Bond at his worst towards women, and general issues of bloat and bullshit, Thunderball is one of my least favorite Bond movies.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 16:49
|
|
