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Okay, guys, so... here's part 18. There's some storyline advancement in this episode, and wow, it's kind of messed up.
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Welp. This adds some layers to the good ending of FF1  And what is that incredibly loving suggestive image of Miu and Miku supposed to represent? That Miu will repeat Miku's...mistakes? 
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Dec 30, 2015 04:18
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So this is interesting. We got our first mention in this chapter that the Ghost Marriages were put to an end, but we're not sure how. We have the name of Ose, who aside from Aso is the only named character in all of the documentation from that time period. I'd naturally assume she is important. While it is not clear what exactly brought the Hikami sect to an end still, I think we can safely assume that Ose was the last Pillar and that whatever happened to the Hikami sect happened before she could be Ghost Married to anyone, effectively leaving her hanging. Perhaps the madman with the torch was what did the rest of the convent in, and it only happened after her own sacrifice. That helps correct some of the timeline I formulated earlier, at least. I'll make an educated guess and say that the invincible lady in black we've been encountering off and on is probably the ghost of Ose, and she is the powerful ghost for the game since she has the most amount of unfinished business. Funny really. There is talk about all the other games being about Shrine Maidens failing a ritual of some kind. It seems this time the ritual failed her.
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Dec 30, 2015 05:23
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Urgh, this poo poo. Yep, Miu is Mafuyu's daughter--the game never explicitly states it (even though it's screamingly obvious), but the guidebook for the game did and added that she was conceived during the ending of Fatal Frame 3, when everyone's wandering around in the halfway space between the world of the living and the dead. So Miku not only had sex with her dead brother, she also decided after having sex with said dead brother that she needed to go back later on and marry him because having his half-ghost baby apparently wasn't enough for her. Thanks for retroactively ruining the ending of my favorite Fatal Frame game so you could pander to the loving incest fetishists, assholes--the whole goddamn point of 3 was that the characters came to terms with their losses and moved on with their lives. And then 5 decides to pull this bullshit.  5 seems to have turned the pandering dial way up in general though: there's the Miku/Mafuyu crap the "Miu modeling scene" and the constant appearances of the giant titty cleavage priestesses--in the previous games, there was always one "seductive" ghost in the bunch, but they weren't in your face about it the way the priestess ghosts are in this game. And this theme of "women are obsessed with being married! the priestesses need men! because they're weak and fragile and can't take it alone! the ritual probably failed because Ouse didn't have the right man!" plus Rui being a complete doormat/liability for Ren is a pretty glaring contrast to the previous Fatal Frame games (except for 4), where the rituals failed because of men suddenly interfering where they weren't needed or wanted and causing the previously devoted sacrifices to fail the ritual because of their unrequited love. If it wasn't for the other stuff I mentioned above, it would actually be a pretty interesting twist on the standard FF formula, but it has some unpleasant implications when you look at everything together.
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Dec 30, 2015 10:14
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You are really good at editing these figths, while keeping some your conversation topics. How exactly are you doing that? Do you just say, "shut up for a minute, that's going to be cut out anyway."?
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Dec 30, 2015 11:53
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That girl ain't right.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:31
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Air is lava! posted:You are really good at editing these figths, while keeping some your conversation topics. How exactly are you doing that? Do you just say, "shut up for a minute, that's going to be cut out anyway."? The way I can see it is to cut both the audio and the video see how long the conversation goes and matches it to the length. Probably cutting out dead air.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:58
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Liffrea posted:Urgh, this poo poo. Yep, Miu is Mafuyu's daughter--the game never explicitly states it (even though it's screamingly obvious), but the guidebook for the game did and added that she was conceived during the ending of Fatal Frame 3, when everyone's wandering around in the halfway space between the world of the living and the dead. So Miku not only had sex with her dead brother, she also decided after having sex with said dead brother that she needed to go back later on and marry him because having his half-ghost baby apparently wasn't enough for her. Thanks for retroactively ruining the ending of my favorite Fatal Frame game so you could pander to the loving incest fetishists, assholes--the whole goddamn point of 3 was that the characters came to terms with their losses and moved on with their lives. And then 5 decides to pull this bullshit. Good Christmas, what the gently caress? What guidebook is this, and can we burn every copy? That really pisses me off, the characters from the original games didn't deserve that. What, did Mio and her random my-special-power-is-hiding uncle from the third game get it on, too? Air is lava! posted:You are really good at editing these figths, while keeping some your conversation topics. How exactly are you doing that? Do you just say, "shut up for a minute, that's going to be cut out anyway."? I'll ask Amy what exactly she does when I get homr from work. It's pretty well put together, isn't it? It makes the videos much more interesting in the end, with a ton of repetitive stuff cut out.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:12
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In their defense, I actually like the Ren/Rui dynamic and this would've be a good plot twist for a horror game. Though it's times like this I wish Miu would put two and two together and had a reaction to it. The difference between media that discusses incest and media that fetishizes it is that the former shows the cause and consequences of it. I can totally get if you don't like this twist because it ruins previous FF games for you though. And I agree with you on the yukata boobie ghosts. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 20:12
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Air is lava! posted:You are really good at editing these figths, while keeping some your conversation topics. How exactly are you doing that? Do you just say, "shut up for a minute, that's going to be cut out anyway."? Hi-- this is Amy. I'm here, just lurking. Anyway, the fights aren't too hard to edit like that since we record the game and commentary audio separately. When I'm editing those fights, I bracket out the commentary and scan through it for any critique or something remotely funny or clever. Most of that audio is just Peter cursing about ghosts and the controls, so cutting it down to 15-30 seconds is pretty easy. Once I have that, I just speed up the game and its audio to somewhere in the 400-500% range and arrange our commentary so that it occurs around when you see the corresponding footage in the sped up gameplay. Honestly, a lot of the good timing is luck more than anything.
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Dec 30, 2015 22:10
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You need to get the girls to carry along a ten foot pole, and perhaps some rubber gloves, so they don't have to touch all this spooky poo poo. Christ Almighty. Edit: And tie a rope to their ankles attached to the bedframe so they don't keep sleepwalking the gently caress on back to Mount Hikami.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:43
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Ulvirich posted:You need to get the girls to carry along a ten foot pole, and perhaps some rubber gloves, so they don't have to touch all this spooky poo poo. Christ Almighty. This was hilarious to read while not logged in.
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Dec 31, 2015 02:22
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I'm pretty much on the same page as Liffrea, what the sweet ever loving christ was that all about?  Why did they think it was necessary to uproot character development from 1-3 for Miku, reverse it and add an unreasonable layer of incest to it? 2 and 4 had enough of weird sibling undertones as is without them retroactively negating some rather poignant story in 3. Ugh, it's going to be hard to look at 3 now given that this apparently was how she felt all along.  I feel like a similar story might have worked better for Mio rather than Miku, though with zero incest and more emphasis on the general idea of trying to keep a part of Mayu with her even as some Shadowborn reincarnation thing, since 3 closed Miku's chapter well enough and we never really found out how Mio dealt with Mayu's absence. I don't think they've done outright reincarnation in Fatal Frame, have they? It was always just echoes of the previous participants in x or y ritual which our hapless protagonists ended up fitting as.
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Hey, happy near year! It's time for part 19!Dual Monarchy posted:I don't think they've done outright reincarnation in Fatal Frame, have they? It was always just echoes of the previous participants in x or y ritual which our hapless protagonists ended up fitting as. I don't think they've done straight-up reincarnation, no. Like you said, there have been links, and the spirits of dead people from the past, but nothing bringing anyone back to life or anything like that yet.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:40
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Well, if anything, Yuri is obviously skilled in laundry service, drying is her specialty. Those purifying embers work fast.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:29
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I mean, this is the game where people complained about censorship of alternate bikini outfits, isn't it? When we already have bizarrely skinny women with microskirts walking around with bird-legs up to their necks. There has always been an element of sensationalism and pornography in horror media, so unfortunately, I'm guessing the developers were just trying what looked like reasonable measures in reaching out to their audience. It's not like there aren't plenty of other video games and assorted media trying the same thing. I'm not invested enough in the games' overarching story to be mortified, so admittedly it just looks a bit predictable to me from the outside perspective.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:55
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God, I know I've said it before, but you two are probably the best let's play dou/couple ever and I always wait with bated breath to watch your videos. They're quite a joy to watch and the games you play are all the better for it.
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Jan 2, 2016 06:29
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They tried real hard to suppress it, but we're finally in the key-hunting part of the game. Ah well, c'est la vie.
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Jan 2, 2016 07:08
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Zain posted:baited breath somebody hook me up w/ a mint cuz i been eating ant stakes again
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So in the earlier Fatal Frames, we had this dreadful feeling of destiny around us - if we don't kill the maiden/do the ritual/ turn off the stove, the hellmouth will open/ hellmouth will open/ dinner will be late. This time, we're Ms. mystery mountain manhunt, and we're gonna meet our final boss because...?
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Lunar Suite posted:we're gonna meet our final boss because...? With all the water swimsuits really start to look like the most sensible choice of outfit.
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Liffrea posted:Urgh, this poo poo. Yep, Miu is Mafuyu's daughter--the game never explicitly states it (even though it's screamingly obvious), but the guidebook for the game did and added that she was conceived during the ending of Fatal Frame 3, when everyone's wandering around in the halfway space between the world of the living and the dead. So Miku not only had sex with her dead brother, she also decided after having sex with said dead brother that she needed to go back later on and marry him because having his half-ghost baby apparently wasn't enough for her. Thanks for retroactively ruining the ending of my favorite Fatal Frame game so you could pander to the loving incest fetishists, assholes--the whole goddamn point of 3 was that the characters came to terms with their losses and moved on with their lives. And then 5 decides to pull this bullshit. I would like to remind you guys that we're talking about a development team that was proud as hell about getting permission to use DOA jiggle physics tech in their game. Since the appropriate areas are mostly hidden on the playable characters (camera constantly on their backside) they have to put it SOMEWHERE. And since we already stuff like the wetness meter I don't think the decision to emphasize ghost busts was all that surprising. Since this game is part of a universe thingy with the Fatal Frame movie and the new manga are we allowed to discuss those things with/without spoiler tags? I'll use the tags for this bit about ghost marriage mechanics: Ghost marriage in the movie was something also done between two women, so I'd say it's more about love and eternal love and not a no-woman-without-man thing. Ghost marriage also ensures the person is not alone in death/afterlife, hence it was done with fallen unmarried soldiers back in the day in the real world. I thought it'd be obvious these pillar girls would rather not spend eternity in a box all alone, it's not an issue of fragility. And don't we already have the Man on Fire who showed up and slaughtered all the priestesses, bringing all the hell In the case of the Miku-ghost-marriage-thing: wouldn't it be perfectly reasonable that when you love someone there's no quota of things you want to have/do/be with them? Having a kid didn't press some button in Miku's head that made her not want to love anyone ever again, dead or alive. (It'd make for some short-lived relationships: "Welp, we had a baby, I'm done with you now, bye!") The conflict comes when there's trouble deciding if Miku's more willing to cross to the other side to be with her husband-in-death or if she'll stay in the world of the living and live with her daughter. Miku spending two/three games chasing after a dead/vanished loved one just makes it sad that her daughter ends up doing the exact same thing. And didn't Mafuyu go chasing after his and Miku's mother pre-FF1, after she got obsessed with the ghost world? It's a family line of people chasing their loved ones who are chasing their loved ones and so on till the end of Fatal Frame XXXXX. This is a theme also apparent in Fatal Frames 2 and 4 as well. Heck, why would Aso have the need to find out about the ghost world and make cameras and flashlights if people could simply forget about the ones they've lost? Humans don't want to be alone in life or death. If Fatal Frame 3 was all about survivor's guilt and how the people left behind feel, FF5 is about the feelings of people as they die and after they die/cross to the other side. (Sorry about the wall of text, somehow a game about taking pictures of half-naked wet ghost girls is making me philosophical.  )
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CryingAthena posted:The conflict comes when there's trouble deciding if Miku's more willing to cross to the other side to be with her husband-in-death or if she'll stay in the world of the living and live with her daughter. Miku spending two/three games chasing after a dead/vanished loved one just makes it sad that her daughter ends up doing the exact same thing. And didn't Mafuyu go chasing after his and Miku's mother pre-FF1, after she got obsessed with the ghost world? It's a family line of people chasing their loved ones who are chasing their loved ones and so on till the end of Fatal Frame XXXXX. This is a theme also apparent in Fatal Frames 2 and 4 as well. Heck, why would Aso have the need to find out about the ghost world and make cameras and flashlights if people could simply forget about the ones they've lost? If I recall Mafuyu went to the mansion to find his boss who had gone missing while visiting it with some coworkers. He ended up staying behind in the hellgate with Kirie because of poorly explained reasons? He looked like the dude Kirie fell in love with while she was alive, and so he decided to starve to death in a cave with a ghost lady? I guess it was a ghost marriage like the one in this game? Which makes me wonder, if Mafuyu is already ghost married, does that mean that Miku can't ghost marry him? Or can they be ghost polygamists?
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Jan 3, 2016 22:05
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All I can say is I'd watch the hell out of ghost divorce court.
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We really appreciate all the kind words, as always. You all make us smile.  So much, in fact, that here's part 20! There's a really cool boss fight in this one.
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Jan 5, 2016 02:46
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Ghostemon.  That's Cameras vs Ghosts, not Plants vs Ghosts.
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Jan 5, 2016 03:29
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Not going to lie with the framerate hiccuping I was worried that my video might be pausing or something. Is this the first time you got type 90 film? It seems very much so. Also I think the purple aura is the taint aura?
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Jan 5, 2016 04:01
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Careful Yuri, you're getting dangerously close to having a personality.
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Jan 5, 2016 04:52
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I guess that thing about the Pillars being both alive and dead (or was it neither alive or dead?) might explain how you could both fight Ghost Hisoka and rescue Living Hisoka? She was essentially Schrodinger's
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Jan 5, 2016 06:24
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The description of Miu having javelin legs is pretty much the best thing I've heard all week. You'd think she'd be able to run faster from ghosts by springing away like a gazelle, but that mandatory running speed in Fatal Frame, man.
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Dual Monarchy posted:The description of Miu having javelin legs is pretty much the best thing I've heard all week. You'd think she'd be able to run faster from ghosts by springing away like a gazelle, but that mandatory running speed in Fatal Frame, man. And in 5 it's still faster than in any of the previous games! "OH GOD A GHOST IS TRYING TO KILL ME! Meh, I'll just have a leisurely walk in the other direction."
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CryingAthena posted:And in 5 it's still faster than in any of the previous games! "OH GOD A GHOST IS TRYING TO KILL ME! Meh, I'll just have a I've always enjoyed the idea of the Fatal Frame games, but the controls have generally been a turn-off because drat. I understand that limiting the player's agency and toolset is helpful in heightening tension, but at least make it LOOK like the characters are making an effort to run from scary poo poo. In a couple of the games it looked downright unreasonable.
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Hey, it's time for part 21! I thought this chapter was going to suck, but it ended up being awesome.CryingAthena posted:And in 5 it's still faster than in any of the previous games! "OH GOD A GHOST IS TRYING TO KILL ME! Meh, I'll just have a leisurely walk in the other direction." The running speeds in the past games, especially in Mask of the Lunar Eclipse, were laughable. I don't even think there was much difference between walk and run up until now.
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Geez Benjamin Hojo who is from Japan, I know a lot of guys a afraid of commitment, but you don't need to look that scared when facing marriage.
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Jan 8, 2016 03:06
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 that one guy, got ghost-married and then succumbed to his bone-itis
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Jan 8, 2016 04:25
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Pedro you cad, how dare you insult the tea house. It's a perfectly fine place to take camera photos of ghosteas. Edit: Jesus Christ, grab a broom next time you go house cleaning. Sweep those ghost out of there, place is rampant. Ulvirich fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Jan 8, 2016 04:27
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The Shinto stuff for this game has been touched on but upon seeing this game I imidietly felt that a lot of this game is based on the concept of sanzu no kawa in Japanese Buddhism. Sanzu no kawa being the river of death you are ferried across to the afterlife when you die. The biggest allegory in the game being when Yuri takes the boat through the torii to the shrine to get Hisoka. I also like that the ghosts dye Yuri's dyed hair back to black for the marriage because brown hair is just not proper.
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Jan 8, 2016 08:53
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I kinda feel bad for saying Peter get's scared easily now. But I will say my favorite attack is London Bridge is Falling Down.
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Zain posted:I kinda feel bad for saying Peter get's scared easily now. But I will say my favorite attack is London Bridge is Falling Down. Heh, you don't need to feel bad. I just know that I'm playing a game that's supposed to be scary, and I really get into the mood. I consider it more of a good thing than bad.
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So wait. Does that mean that the Revealing Kimono Ghosts we've been fighting are the schoolgirls who committed suicide on Mt Hikami? Like those are the ghosts of the
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