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Jst0rm posted:honestly looking at that studio they are building out they could be positioning themselves to do mocap for hire. This would bring in some good revenue. If this is what they are doing and it isn't just SC related solely, then at least they are doing something more than just selling jpegs to generate revenue. But if it is just for SC loving lol.
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Sarsapariller posted:They latch on to stupid loving phrases like "Content Complete" and then use them to justify all expressions of faith from then on without ever taking the time to parse out what was actually meant. Rodney-CK posted:Well this is a surprising turn of events. Yeah, I think we are seeing the beginning of the endgame. My guess is that they are going to release some lovely Squadron 42 that is 10 hours of cut-scenes 3 hours of game play. This will ship with an extremely buggy 'persistent universe' that is completely empty and devoid of any substance, never to be fixed. Backers will get their 'ships', but they will all functionally be the same with a different coat of paint. The FPS will be extremely basic and in a separate module that has three weapons and is deathmatch only with two or three maps of generic future shooter. They will do the bare minimum to meet their legal obligations while they try to get back into the movie industry with the mo-cap studio. If they do anything less than the bare minimum, they are completely hosed. There already has been a successful lawsuit against a Kickstarter that used the money for other poo poo and didn't deliver a product (not doing the bare minimum counts the same). You simply do not get away with pissing away 94 million dollars and using it to do something else while loving over everyone who gave you money. That's called fraud. I think Star Citizens are retarded, but even a retard can feel when someone is openly taking a poo poo on their face. A Neurotic Jew posted:It's insane that Robert's actually said the reason they are building the studio is because they aren't done with mocap. That sounds like the reason you hide from everyone while making an excuse that sounds legitimate. How are people who have invested in this ok with Chris's undying obsession with motion capture? There were literally two seperate 10 minute videos at CitizenCon that were completely devoted to sucking MoCap dick. it isn't exactly a cutting edge technology for videogames and I don't think anyone besides Chris could give a poo poo. But let's build an entire studio so that Sandi can be edited into every scene. It is because it can't be for Star Citizen. It simply loving can't. There is no universe where that makes any sense. They are literally burning money if this is just for SC poo poo because they already have a mo-cap studio they paid for SC in Manchester. Simon Elms runs cubic motion and has been around since the Gizmondo days, they simply wouldn't abandon him. It has to be to get back into the film industry in some capacity. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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jaegerx posted:Didn't they build a mocap studio in Austin? Reading up on this, they were apparently supposed to build a mo-cap studio but instead rented out an apparently expensive one in the UK (which Simon Elms is conveniently the CEO of). It looks like they had all the equipment for one, but just never used it or sent it to manchester, so technically this is the third foray into mocap (First being the promised studio with equipment that was never used, the second with Cubic Motion sending money to Gizmondo friend Simon Elms and the third with this new one). They might just be re-using tech they already bought, but somehow I don't think that is good enough for Chris.
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Kakarot posted:Wait, what happened to their mocap studio? The one they bought with backer money. They purchased the hardware for it in 2013: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13104-Video-Mocap-Update They might have set up in Austin (or never set it up), but whatever the case it was never used. They went to Cubic Motion in Manchester. Which is run by Simon Elms (if you want more nepotism, he worked with Erin Roberts at Warthog Games and then later for Gizmondo. It was also more expensive than finding a space for the tech they already had). The video says 'we don't have to go to another studio!' (and then they went and gave money to one of Chris' friends at probably a great expense because he was CEO of Cubic Motion). So, that tech is now either sitting in a dumpster or sold at a reduced price for new tech for more motion capture now that they are moving to a new office. Why do they need more motion capture? Who the gently caress knows. EDIT: I can't even say if it is nepotism or if CRoberts is simply just retarded at managing poo poo. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Young Freud posted:Didn't they also use Andy Serkis' Imaginarium as well? I recall that being brought up as well because of Serkis as well as they scheduled their session between Avengers 2 and Star Wars. I believe the Squadron 42 cutscenes were done there, just because they have a larger studio to handle big budget film work. Hahaha, holy gently caress they did: http://imperialnews.network/2015/02/inside-cig-imaginarium/ This is their fourth foray into motion capture. For a space ship simulator. Four motion capture studios. For a space ship simulator. Four. What the loving gently caress, I think this broke my loving brain.
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CLAM DOWN posted:oh my god I'm SO happy I'm out of this mess now For references, a non-space ship game studio, Creative Assembly, has one mocap studio for their thousands of army men. CRoberts needed 4. For a game that is primarily in space. Imaginary Friend posted:Ahahah! A loving mocap studio?! Croberts is my favourite worst producer ever! The worst part is he already bought poo poo for a mocap studio in 2013. And now he wants to buy more updated (and expensive) equipment. He's like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5i6BHBuqxE Replace with movies and motion capture. Young Freud posted:But yeah. Four motion capture studios just for a space simulator where you hardly see your face. I am sure Star Citizens will justify it somehow. Being they are the most gullible motherfuckers out there and willing to give CRoberts more money even though he is clearly rear end loving them with no lube.
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D_Smart posted:As I said in my latest blog, all four are lifelong friends. So it's not inconceivable that Simon's company got top dollar for their "services". Yeah, seriously. I mean, that's ok if that's your only mocap studio. Fine, whatever. that poo poo happens all the time. But... Agrajag posted:HOLY poo poo, they really rented 4 mocap studios for this pile of poo poo? yeah gently caress that this is all kinds of messed up They bought 2, rented 2. So instead of building a baseball field, they built two movie studios and rented two concert halls. And the ghosts are all crying in their sleep. D_Smart posted:Remember when I broke the news that Sandi was shooting pet movie projects on RSI equipment, paid for with RSI cash? Think bigger. D_Smart posted:When I broke this news in my blog, as is the norm, rabid White Knights called me crazy troll. They didn't even bat an eyelid at the $20K cappuccino machine I said was going in this office. I kind of think you are right (I am a hedging my bets kind of guy) since you have been right about a lot and I said it could go on for awhile was before I found out they had done mocap 4 times before. Its unfuckingbelievable, really. And it seems they think they can get away with it instead of just having a bug out fund and a flight to Venezuela when this all goes tits up. It is loving absurd to think they are so delusional they can just gently caress around with 90 million and think no consequences will happen because it is crowd funded.
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Agrajag posted:im pretty sure mush mouth is in the clear as long as he delivers the very barest of bones on a "game". crowd funding is like the wild west right now and the recipients are making out like [insert whatever the saying is] It might protect him from government action, but I imagine Civil Actions might be less. Regardless, if he does, you can bet your rear end people will take notice when he fucks off with other people's money and nothing happens to him. He might actually be the catalyst that adds some accountability to this poo poo.
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Raskolnikov posted:I wish I had a real time graph of how many people are playing Arena Commander at any given time. I imagine it looks something like this: http://steamcharts.com/app/37000 I played it before the easy patch. That game was loving brutal. Sushi in Yiddish posted:I love that this is all the Mark Kern "we're building a state of the art studio to produce Firefall related videos and rent out our studio" fiasco with a bunch of extra zeroes added on. Like, if you can't see how a crowdfunded studio went to get 4 mocap studios in the course of two loving years for a game where you will primarily be sitting in your space ship, I don't know if there is any loving hope for you. Also you like 10 hours of cutscenes, which beats out Hideo Kojima's longest game by two hours. poo poo just keeps getting worse and worse, and if you are too loving stupid to see what is going on I have absolutely no sympathy for you. At this point if you know all this and are still in it for any amount of money, you pretty much deserve what you get.
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Good Dumplings posted:Jesus, it's like the little rumble you feel right before an earthquake knocks everything over. They're not even trying to hide what they're doing anymore; do they seriously want Hollywood that bad? They already have a bad rep there, who would work with them? A mocap studio is like a lateral slide back, but there are two things Hollywood doesn't forgive or forget: Antisemitism and breaking a contract. It is a futile dream, much like Star Citizen. The best they can hope for is famous faces in their mocap studio. Forget acting, producing, directing or writing. It ain't gonna happen. Hefty posted:Didn't read this or the last couple threads. I didn't miss anything funny, did I? Game's still humming along right on schedule? Crobert's game has 10 hours of cutscenes, more than any Hideo Kojima game. He also bought 2 mocap studios and rented 2 for his space sim.
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The Kins posted:Becoming a third-party performance capture vendor with all their insane equipment would probably be a pretty smart move - it's what the ARMA guys do! - but there isn't exactly a lack of motion capture vendors in California... Yeah, that's the thing. I don't understand how any backer could go 'Wow! Another mo-cap studio! Amazing! And their preview of 2.0 was a year old footage! See you in the 'verse!' You have to be mentally loving retarded to think everything is just fine and dandy.
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Berious posted:I like in the reddit thread they're giving CIG props for admitting it was reused prerenders after someone already called them out earlier. Yup, mentally loving retarded. Going on three years and no gameplay but pre-rendered poo poo from a year ago. These people are getting what they deserve, honestly. If you can't hold them to task for not showing anything this far out you are hopeless.
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Hahaha, Star Citizens are the dumbest motherfuckers. I bet Seraph sends his erotic fan fiction to CIG starring him and CRoberts. Along with soggy hundred dollar bills and is angry we are mocking the mushmouth failure of his obession.
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G0RF posted:"Reverse the Verse" is on-- very exciting!" If anyone believes this poo poo they are straight up retarded. 'Why yes, 2.0 is done it is just in Q&A right now. That's why we showed a year old pre rendered footage instead of any gameplay, this is completely normal and acceptable  'Oh and they are loving delusional if they think anyone outside their brain damaged cultists actuality liked Wing Commander the movie. It is a steaming pile of poo poo that isn't even a funny bad movie, just pathetic. The best two parts is mushmouth and his thumbs up and Matthew Lilard's love interest being slowly pushed off a landing pad by a space bulldozer.
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Ahahahahahah, this seriously was a ploy to get back into the movie industry. Holy poo poo. And Star Citizens will eat this up thinking the revenue will go towards the game and not to fund more Hollywood pipe dreams.
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Left without comment: quote:Being an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature by "a bunch of beardy old middle-class middle-American guys" than an illiterate Igbotu tribesman has of how to build a jet engine, Jemisin clearly does not understand that her dishonest call for "reconciliation" and even more diversity within SF/F is tantamount to a call for its decline into irrelevance. Nor do the back-patting Samuel Johnsons wiping their eyes and congratulating her for her ever-so-touching speech understand that.
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Derek is a big boy who has big boy pants, I'm sure he can judge for himself what is good for him or not. Besides, why would you reject more drama?
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Friendly Tumour posted:What's the latest on the lawsuit? The TOS expires November 30th, after that Derek will file. If he doesn't, oh well. Like I said before, there's a lot that can go wrong with lawsuits so getting hopes up is silly.
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CrazyTolradi posted:People do weird loving things, like dump money into a game that'll only ever see the light of day as a jumbled Frankenstein of code. Yup, pretty much. I don't think the lawsuit will do anything and will be delayed until the end of time.
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One Winged Angel posted:Many gamers really do not know 'what' Star Citizen offers.... Yeah and 3 to 4 years later there is absolutely nothing indicating that poo poo exists. There are only disparate, broken as gently caress, poorly optimized 'modules' with no sense of how they will fit together. They had to use year old footage for a 'sneak preview' of their alpha 2.0. Nobody except Star Citizen fucktards would let a developer get away with pulling that poo poo. And it wasn't even loving gameplay. It was an old pre reneder. They couldn't even be loving bothered to put together a new pre render. And their excuse for not showing anything? 'Oh it is in Q&A, not much to show'. For your retarded brain, that means the thing is nearly done and only bugs are being worked out. So there is plenty to show in theory. But nope, not a thing. Anyone who has half a loving brain can smell the poo poo coming from this unwashed rear end in a top hat of a project and has enough sense to stay the gently caress away. They haven't met one deadline and all the other poo poo that went on, and you are describing loving features that haven't been demonstrated after 90 million. They haven't even proved they can get the server architecture for a PU. Only people as loving stupid as you would give this any thought at this point.
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Hahaha they are selling in game currency when there is no footage of the PU or evidence of a playable PU, holy loving poo poo. Star Citizen is the worst of the internet and gaming combined. Bitcoin, microtransactions, pay-to-win, 'early access' that never goes anywhere, Scientology, buying concept art...loving hell. Even Russian and Chinese knock off games weren't this loving greedy. And at least they were games you could play. lovely games, but games. Even games that sold in game currency before the game was out had something you could play and spend that money on. Starcitizens are the biggest bunch of sycophantic gullible retards I have ever seen in my life.
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Sarsapariller posted:TLDR: CIG is much closer to Cutco than they are to Bernie Madoff. It's both actually. consider jpegs as bad stocks. people are buying them in the hope that one day they will be worth much more than they paid for (see limited edition jpegs). there are people who genuinely think they will make a profit when the game comes out and selling their ships ala Eve.
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D_Smart posted:^this. All of it. But hey, when I say it, those Redditards create a sub-Red dedicated solely to pointless attacks. But I already gave them another ultimatum before I burn down their JPEGs. That's pretty crazy. I mean, can no one step back and think critically about this? Is nostalgia just that strong? I don't get it, I seriously don't. The question: 'Why is it ok when CRoberts does it and no other studio does?' will probably almost always be 'oh, he made great games in the past'. 1) Its been over a decade since he produced anything, the business has changed so much it is nearly unrecognizable 2) Past success doesn't free you from present consequence. George Lucas made the prequels. Again, why? There simply is no answer but blind faith and trust. Its garbage. I guess you really can't pull people out of this massive fantasy they have built for themselves.
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For anyone still waiting on refunds, just do a chargeback. CIG used your money, missed every deadline and has delivered nothing but broke, useless poo poo. They owe you, not the other way around. If they were too stupid to use your money wisely, too loving bad. Or if you have some sympathy for this shitheap of a company, your response should be: 'That is not my problem, that is yours. The due date of the product has come and gone and there is no end in sight. Responses to my inquiries have taken weeks, which is unacceptable. You no longer have my trust as a consumer or a backer that you can keep any promises related to this project or even deliver it in any way previously advertised. You have 24 hours from the time of this email to deliver to my account nothing less than a full refund for any donation (don't refer to it as a ship or product because it loving isn't). If you do not, I will pursue a chargeback as is my right as a consumer.' They are relying and betting on your passivity to avoid having to give back any money. They know that a chargeback will likely involve a phone call (or several) and that you won't do it. gently caress that. They have belittled you and disrespected you all while taking your money.
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Also for those worried, by law a chargeback affects neither you as a consumer or your credit. It won't go on your permanent record or some poo poo, it is an indication that the party you are initiating a chargeback against has operated in bad faith and this is your only recourse as a consumer to recover your money. Also, don't worry about time limits. Typically you will have to explain the situation (if you are too embarrassed to say video game, just call it a crowd funded project) and I sure they will understand. This sort of situation is why chargebacks exist in the first place.
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D_Smart posted:The reason they freak out once the word "chargeback" appears in a email, is because it HURTS their ratings with their processing company. Too many of those, and they're in deep poo poo, unable to process orders (especially credit cards). Exactly, which is why it should be constantly threatened at every opportunity, especially if they are stonewalling you for months which is unacceptable. I know third party Chinese monitor sellers that respond faster than CIG does to refund/replacement requests. To take weeks or months is disgusting to me.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:From this month's studio report: That's pretty funny. Also I'm glad they're showing off some random shop instead of anything substantial.
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Agrajag posted:having regular sales on poo poo that doesn't exist for a game that doesn't exist from a company that has no track record. this poo poo should be scream scam to anyone that sees it. That is because Star Citizens are some of the most gullible retards on the planet. They have absolutely no self respect and will let someone poo poo in their mouth just for the privilege of saying it tastes good. Then they will fight people for saying 'Hey, why did you let that guy poo poo in your mouth?' CIG has absolutely nothing behind it except a 'creative visionary', which means jack poo poo. Peter Molyneux was a 'creative visionary', Spore was backed by a 'creative visionary'. Duke Nukem Forever was backed by a 'creative visionary'. Vision without perspective is worth nothing.
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The Saddest Robot posted:Perspective is just a bunch of RULES put in place by evil publishers to limit what we can see and dream. Agrajag posted:burn all evil publishers! I know, so evil! The thing is, if you don't have a publisher you need a producer or project lead to keep things focused. A good producer knows when to step back and let the artist art and then knows when to step in and say 'no, this is crazy'. They also have defined goals and to say it is done. Also art with limitations sometimes produces the best work because it forces you to think creatively and make do with what you have. Art through adversity. Sometimes when you are given an unlimited amount of time and a lot of money, you end up going nowhere because you begin to polish minutiae. Especially if you don't have someone giving advice or you not taking it. Agrajag posted:well i can only assume, in Roberts' case, it would be more akin to a movie shoot. so, what is the average pay for Gary Oldman in a movie shoot? Well, HTC paid Oldman 12 million for a commercial. He is also the highest paid actor in the world. He earned 58 million between October 2014 and October 2015. So someone can break down each movie and can come up with his cost on SC. My guess would be at the very least 5 to 8 mill. EDIT: And beaten!
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AP posted:They really hate funding going below 20k and have for a good couple of years now. In the past, before they said they'd give a weeks notice before any sale, I predicted a couple of surprise sales as it was such a set pattern, anywhere near 20k/day and a wild sale would appear from nowhere. There's probably good reason behind it, harder to start something from cold rather than keep it drifting along. They do have a ton more backers now so you'd have though 20k was easier, it's not easy anymore. This is the ponzi scheme tipping point. Eventually there simply aren't enough buyers to feed the beast anymore and the people you have milked can no longer sustain you, because you have become too bloated. In ponzi schemes, this is keeping the high payouts. In SC it is keeping up the ridiculous development and demands of CR. Your whales have typically spent all they have on you and the small amounts they can send don't cut it. The big money that's left isn't going to touch you because they tend to be able to smell poo poo like this. SC is reaching the saturation point, if it hasn't already. It is going to need it's smaller donors to donate larger amounts because new blood is too difficult to find and are highly unlikely going to put in anything more than the minimal amount. And when you add to more and more of your original donors getting suspicious and pulling their money, well, that's when the Jenga tower collapses.
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Hahahahaha they are reworking a ship that has no loving game to play in. This is the sort of poo poo you do YEARS after the game is released. Not to mention the ships that aren't even modeled. How the gently caress do you even know if it needs one with no game to play in? How does this not prove all the stories about CR being a deluded mushmouth that sends poo poo for revision over and over with nothing ever getting accomplished? Holy poo poo. Get your money out now, just chargeback because gently caress. You only do this if you want to attract more buyers for a ship. Which means they need money.
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Let's go over this again. First motion capture studio was bought and built in Austin in 2013. This was never used, presumably because Chris thought the space was too small. The second was renting out Andy Serkis' imaginarium a year later. The third was renting out Cubic Motion, whose CEO is Simon Elms, a good friend of CRoberts and Erin Roberts. If you don't think he got paid more than the going rate lol. The fourth is a completely new studio in Santa Monica with new, high end equipment. The stuff from the old studio was presumably sold off. Renting motion capture is not cheap. Building motion capture is not cheap. This is a loving space simulator that nobody gives a poo poo about the single player campaign where most of the mocap is going. You are delusional if you think this is anywhere close to well managed. Jst0rm posted:the mocap cut scenes are longer then the first 3 lotr movies for the first ep of sq42. How can this be good? It apparently has a ten hour long script, which means ten hours of cutscenes or glorified cutscenes, longer than any Kojima game. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Loiosh posted:I think you'd have to understand my point of view for that. I'm a fan of Eric Robert's work (even though I didn't play Privateer, my friends did and considered it a good game), so I would not be upset with Eric running a studio that is working on this. Then you are letting nostalgia cloud your view. The simplest way is to think, 'What would my reaction be if EA did this?' If you can't, then you aren't being objective. With 94 million, CIG is no longer independent. It cannot be considered as such.
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OhDearGodNo posted:They bought approx 50 Optitrack Prime 17w cameras - they run about $4,000 each. He said the Vicon is what they were going with for the new studio (I forget where), which is why the old studio stuff is either dumpstered or sold. Young Freud posted:So, we have actually five motion capture studios. Oh come the gently caress on, how many motion capture studios do you need for a space ship game?
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grimcreaper posted:My last ticket turn around time with Valve was awful. Valve is still the worst by far. Although, i did get 2 seperate "We know your tickets here! We are trying to get to it!" automated responses. Ouch. Still, 'our customer service is not as bad as Valve's!' isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
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D_Smart posted:At this point, I am 100% certain that this project cannot be rescued and that it's going to suffer a sudden and catastrophic collapse. Especially if croberts fails in finding someone to bail him out again. I think Roberts is completely incapable of actually giving this project up. It would mean that he's failed yet again and the last time he had something taken away from him he left the industry in spite. I think he will pull the temple down around his head rather than let someone take his project over.
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It took them 90 million and 4 years to get to a tech demo that just looks pretty and will still be behind every space game in terms of features and playability if it ever gets released. Not to mention the painfully generic art style and universe, with gameplay sounding more tedious than a loving job. Also 10 hours of cutscenes that are written by the retarded mushmouth who wrote wing commander. Yeah, no. In their complete incompetence they finally managed to get something done that most companies would have done years ago in their position. Also DNF did similar stuff and had large playable portions before being inevitably scrapped. That said, I honestly do want this game to come out, if only to keep the star citizen community from bursting like the pus filled anal fissure it is and smearing itself back across the internet proper. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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