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namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Yeah but aglukkaw can be forgiven because she is dumber than a loving inukshuk

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:17

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 02:02

Whiskey Sours: Jan 25, 2014; Weather proof.

THC posted:

If it werent for the acceptance of gay people, won by decades of struggle, Baird would probably have never risen almost to the top of our government. He'd be a nobody. And what did he do? He went to bat for a racist party that shits on poor people and refugees, and claims that trans people are predators.

But okay, sure, all these criticisms are a violation of his privacy.

Remember this?
https://youtu.be/ZV1i8LWb9hY?t=1m32s

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:21

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/06/29/Harper-Same-Sex-Marriage/

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:25

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

baird is 100x worse than the log cabin republicans. at least they actually advocate for themselves

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:26

BGrifter: Mar 16, 2007; Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

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Kafka Esq. posted:

I'm already thinking of closing this thread.

Only four more years to go.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:27

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

remember when john baird was going to drug test all welfare recipients in ontario

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:27

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

also he was going to personally administer a literacy test to each and every one and deny welfare to anyone that couldn't read

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:30

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

He has lovely politics so what dislike him all you want for that.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:32

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Jordan7hm posted:

He has lovely politics so what dislike him all you want for that.

its funny taht you don't think sexuality is political

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:32

upgunned shitpost: Jan 21, 2015

Being gay or lesbian seems super political. All that marching and ideological purity tests with every word you utter.

They should go back to being straight, seems like it just be easier for them.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:35

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

All human interaction is political.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:36

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Withholding sex is politics

- von Clauswitz

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:39

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

like your defense of john baird is literally, he's a politician who doesn't care about gay rights so who are we to criticize him for it

i mean, i realize it's pretty loving hard to defend a human piece of poo poo, but this is a real stretch

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:39

Jump King: Aug 10, 2011

was anybody saying john baird is not bad or just that making jokes about him being gay is sort of a weird direction for criticism

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:40

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

This thread is 12 hours old and already terrible and you should all feel ashamed. :colbert:

Also Im getting my "I told you so!" out of the way now so I can quote it over the next 4 years when JT turns out to be no different than the OLP and starts doing stupid poo poo and selling everything off.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 02:45

Master of Stealth: Oct 12, 2012

Welp. I was hoping that he'd possibly run again. I do hope Megan Leslie sticks around though.

quote:

Don�t take the news that outgoing Ottawa Centre MP Paul Dewar will work for his New Democratic Party as an adviser as a sign that he�s sticking around politics.

�I�m interested in doing something different for a while. Whatever that might be. I haven�t had time to look at what the options are,� he says. �It�s been almost 10 years and a lot�s happened. I�ve had a lot of really interesting experiences, and not in the big-P politics sense. There�s been a lot of international stuff that I�ve really enjoyed. And some local causes as well.�

So his gig as a senior adviser to leader Tom Mulcair on the NDP�s transition down from Official Opposition to third-party status is strictly temporary, he says. A few weeks. Couple of months at the very most.

Yes, you might think of helping the party figure out its new place in the world as being the leader�s job, which ultimately it is. But Mulcair asked Dewar to help, and Dewar says he couldn�t refuse.

�Since I�m here in Ottawa, have experience in caucus, I know most of the staff. It�s just to help with that transition from where we are to where we�re going,� Dewar says. �I�m not pursuing any kind of ongoing role.�

Faced with a similar situation in 2004 � after an election the Liberals won with a minority � Stephen Harper named star Quebec candidate Jos�e Verner to his shadow cabinet even though she lost her local race. (She won in 2006 and 2008 and then lost in 2011. Harper, by then the prime minister, immediately made her a senator.)

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath did it after her party�s disappointing showing in the 2014 provincial election, giving former MPPs Jonah Schein and Paul Ferreira advisory jobs in her office. She�d been left with just one Toronto member, but Schein and Ferreira had been seen as rising stars in Toronto-area ridings. The idea was to give the provincial New Democrats more than one big brain to work on big-city issues and to keep the pair from wandering off to other careers before the next election.

But this won�t be that sort of patronage appointment, Dewar says. The NDP faces real but temporary nuts-and-bolts problems. For one thing, despite the mass defection of voters that gave the Liberals 184 seats and the New Democrats just 44, a startling percentage of the New Democrats in the next Parliament are rookies.

�This is kind of strange because have these 16 new members. Our geography is changed a bit. We have Quebec members in there � but we were shut out in the Maritimes and certainly in Ontario, which was important to us,� Dewar says.

Ordinarily there�d be veterans like Dewar to be den mothers for the newbies but, like Dewar, many of them � such as Jack Harris of St. John�s, Peter Stoffer and Megan Leslie of Halifax, and Pat Martin of Winnipeg � got wiped out. Party warhorse Libby Davies retired. Of those who remain, many were elected in 2011 and have no memory of life as third-party MPs, with less support from a well-staffed party apparatus. Hundreds of party workers are losing their jobs, too, taking many years of experience with them out the door.

�My skill set is simply to help,� Dewar says. �It�s as simple as how you help set up offices and how you go forward.�

In many ways, it�s a shame. Dewar won three elections handily and many voters in downtown Ottawa lamented that they had to choose between him and the Liberal who defeated him, Catherine McKenna � they weren�t dying to throw Dewar out. Having someone close to Mulcair as intimately familiar with the capital as Dewar is would be a help when the new Liberal government makes decisions that affect the city.

I inquired of Emilie Taman, the federal prosecutor who was fired when she ran for the NDP in Ottawa-Vanier in defiance of instructions from above. She didn�t respond. Dewar says he�s heard nothing either from or about her since the election a week ago.

As for Mulcair himself, who�s turtled since election night, Dewar says his party leader will make an appearance in public. �Very soon. I honestly don�t know. I know he was at home over the weekend celebrating a birthday. But I don�t know. Soon,� Dewar says.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 03:06

Baudin: Dec 31, 2009

How about instead of talking about what kind of furry we're the most attracted to we start talking about the new local MPs we just received from the glorious voting apparatus known as First Past the Post!

I'll start with a lovely young man (only 27 so not nearly old enough to be overburdened with knowledge of the ups and downs of life), a man that got the extremely important backing of a pro-life group. A fellow that had the unfortunate experience of having scandalous attack ads launched against him by his liberal opponent (which were memorable for having only things he posted about himself on his website as the "attack ad" facts). Yes let's give it up for Garnett Genuis, the new MP for Sherwood Park-Fort Saskatchewan. I get to deal with that for 4 more loving years.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 03:54

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

I don't think Baird has an especial responsibility to advocate for gay rights, any more or less than any other politician does, regardless of his sexuality, which is obviously none of our business. All of our politicians have a responsibility to advocate for gay rights because it's an issue of equality and human rights, so I think it's fair to criticize Baird for anything he has done to actively work against that, but I don't think his personal sexuality has anything to do with that.

As for Nenshi, who was mentioned earlier in the discussion with regards to this issue, I think, if he's gay (and I personally think he probably is), it's too bad that he feels he should deny it. It's not his fault in the least that he feels that way, since there are a lot of social repercussions to being gay, unfortunately, and it's not his responsibility to be "out" if he doesn't want to be. It must be really difficult living your life and denying a significant portion of your personality, whatever it is, and I think we, as a society, should strive to create a world where people don't have to worry about accepting their sexuality or gender identity, whether they're in public life or not. I feel sorry for him if he feels he has to repress part of himself for the sake of politics.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 03:57

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Baudin posted:

How about instead of talking about what kind of furry we're the most attracted to we start talking about the new local MPs we just received from the glorious voting apparatus known as First Past the Post!

I'll start with a lovely young man (only 27 so not nearly old enough to be overburdened with knowledge of the ups and downs of life), a man that got the extremely important backing of a pro-life group. A fellow that had the unfortunate experience of having scandalous attack ads launched against him by his liberal opponent (which were memorable for having only things he posted about himself on his website as the "attack ad" facts). Yes let's give it up for Garnett Genuis, the new MP for Sherwood Park-Fort Saskatchewan. I get to deal with that for 4 more loving years.

A Genius that belongs in an Apple Store, not the House of Commons.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:11

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Yeah, yknow, Martin Luther King should really have left the blackness out of his politics and just stuck to advocating communism.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:17

upgunned shitpost: Jan 21, 2015

Protectorate of Kwan: poo poo representation, but now my riding is 100% ghost free!

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:20

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Kafka Esq. posted:

I'm already thinking of closing this thread.

4 more years

e: BGrifter :argh:

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:24

Duck Rodgers: Oct 9, 2012

Baudin posted:

How about instead of talking about what kind of furry we're the most attracted to we start talking about the new local MPs we just received from the glorious voting apparatus known as First Past the Post!

Although I don't live in Manitoba anymore, I keep up with the politics there.

In Elmwood transcona Daniel Blaikie was elected by 51 votes! The conservative incumbent Toet declined a recount so it's official. Daniel is the son of bill Blaikie who was the MP for Elmwood for years and years. He is also the brother of Rebecca Blaikie who is the president of the NDP. With Niki Ashton (daughter of Steve) in churchill the manitoba NDP has become a hereditary party. I assume it is only a matter of time until Joe wascylysia leis runs for office.

I don't know anything about Catherine McKenna in Ottawa center. Someone tell me.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:26

Coolwhoami: Sep 13, 2007

So when John Baird actively criticized Russian, Uganada and Kenya for anti-gay legislation when he was foreign minister and funnelled money to gay rights groups in those countries, or in every major vote in the house regarding gay rights voting in line with them even if it was against party lines was not actually supporting them?

Sure, he didn't often go out of his way to defend them, and harboured any number of lovely political positions on other domains, but to make the claim that he wasn't doing anything for gay rights seems more than a stretch.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:28

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

How many gay angels can dance on a homophobic pinhead?

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:33

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Helsing posted:

How many gay angels can dance on a homophobic pinhead?

One John Baird.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:37

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

I'm still recovering from the overwhelming shittiness of that million day election so forgive me if I don't effortpost for the next few years.

e: also good OP and way to poo poo up the thread everybody it feels like home already

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:40

Health Services: Feb 27, 2009

Baudin posted:

A fellow that had the unfortunate experience of having scandalous attack ads launched against him by his liberal opponent (which were memorable for having only things he posted about himself on his website as the "attack ad" facts). Yes let's give it up for Garnett Genuis, the new MP for Sherwood Park-Fort Saskatchewan. I get to deal with that for 4 more loving years.

Have any links to these ads? It's hard to believe that he achieved his dream of becoming an MP.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:44

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Baudin posted:

How about instead of talking about what kind of furry we're the most attracted to we start talking about the new local MPs we just received from the glorious voting apparatus known as First Past the Post!

I'll start with a lovely young man (only 27 so not nearly old enough to be overburdened with knowledge of the ups and downs of life), a man that got the extremely important backing of a pro-life group. A fellow that had the unfortunate experience of having scandalous attack ads launched against him by his liberal opponent (which were memorable for having only things he posted about himself on his website as the "attack ad" facts). Yes let's give it up for Garnett Genuis, the new MP for Sherwood Park-Fort Saskatchewan. I get to deal with that for 4 more loving years.

I (and I think 2 other posters here) ended up with this wingnut who only 5 short years ago literally cheated his way into the Conservative party because they didnt want him to begin with. At least he only won by like 200 votes so Barrie-Innisfil might finally be considered a swing riding instead of a conservative safe haven.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:50

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
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A fool off his guard
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Furnaceface posted:

I (and I think 2 other posters here) ended up with this wingnut who only 5 short years ago literally cheated his way into the Conservative party because they didnt want him to begin with. At least he only won by like 200 votes so Barrie-Innisfil might finally be considered a swing riding instead of a conservative safe haven.

You would have preferred Rod Jackson?

# ? Oct 27, 2015 04:54

Baudin: Dec 31, 2009

Health Services posted:

Have any links to these ads? It's hard to believe that he achieved his dream of becoming an MP.

They were pamphlets (that the candidate whose team put them together didn't actually see until after they were distributed). I don't think we kept any of them, but I could go digging if you really care. They purely posted facts from his website, with a dumb blurb about do you want him to be your voice in Ottawa or something similar.

My wife thought they were bad, but laughed at the conservative campaign chair who claimed the ads against Trudeau were just telling the facts, and that "someday he might be ready."

Baudin fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Oct 27, 2015

# ? Oct 27, 2015 05:15

gooser422: Oct 27, 2015

Did they say when we can buy weed yet ?

# ? Oct 27, 2015 05:16

ChairMaster: Aug 22, 2009; by R. Guyovich

pvt.bartsimpson.SS posted:

Did they say when we can buy weed yet ?

This is really the only part I care about now. If it was a Conservative victory my plan was to completely ignore politics for the rest of my life, if it was NDP then I'd actually give a poo poo about politics for reals again, but with Liberal Government I'm just waiting to be able to buy weed in like a store, when's that?

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:07

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Kafka pls put in the OP that weed is not yet legal, to be updated when weed is in fact legal, so folks need not drift past the OP

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:09

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

JawKnee posted:

Kafka pls put in the OP that weed is not yet legal, to be updated when weed is in fact legal, so folks need not drift past the OP

Check out this guy's insight.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:11

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

JawKnee posted:

Kafka pls put in the OP that weed is not yet legal, to be updated when weed is in fact legal, so folks need not drift past the OP

Just to gently caress with CI, done.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:16

Beelzebufo: Mar 5, 2015; Frog puns are toadally awesome

Are we seriously in for 4 years of lamenting the socialist utopia of Mulcairistan that could have been, alternating with bitter cynicism?

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:16

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

Sedge and Bee posted:

Are we seriously in for 4 years of lamenting the socialist utopia of Mulcairistan that could have been, alternating with bitter cynicism?

Oui.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:17

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Kafka Esq. posted:

Just to gently caress with CI, done.

That was mainly :thejoke:

about how it's, you know, already sort of there but :lol:

anyhow

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:18

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Kafka Esq. posted:

A Genius that belongs in an Apple Store, not the House of Commons.

No, that's Genuis, pronounced GEN-wee, not genius. Yeah, I got mixed up when I saw his election signs plastered all over the riding. I even saw them on the side of the road all the way up Highway 21, which is pretty much bumfuck nowhere. At least I'm in the Glorious People's Republic of Edmonton-Strathcona, so I get Linda Duncan.

# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:18

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