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DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

David Corbett posted:

What? Source?

quote:

Mr. Kenney, faithful readers must know, had previously announced that he is a virgin and will remain so until he is married. Frank magazine, which once ran a "Deflower Caroline Mulroney" contest -- moving her father to allow that if he had a shotgun he would have gone down to the Frank office -- is now running a "Deflower Jason Kenney" contest.

Now that's from back in 2000, but to my knowledge Mr. Kenney has not renounced his pledge or gotten married in the interim.

Edit: also ewww Frank Magazine, she was like 17.

DynamicSloth fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jan 18, 2017

# ¿ Jan 18, 2017 04:06

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 19:05

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Rex Murphy: There are fascists on campus. Protesters don’t realize it’s them, not Milo Yiannopoulos

Rex Murphy posted:

I suggest, as a corollary to Orwell’s prescient observation that (I’m paraphrasing) some things are so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them, that should you seek stupidity in depth and a full lock on all mental development, enroll in a prestige high-fee North American liberal university. Further, I hold that whatever debates may be underway about the targets of Orwell’s dystopian Nineteen Eighty-Four, the modern university is the only institution that has taken that noble work for use as a manual.

For where else are words turned quite upside down, flipped over to stand on their bruised heads and told to dance to the rigorous tunes of fanatics? For it is only on a university campus that simple, basic words are made by violence to take on their exact and opposite meanings: up is down, right is wrong, day is night, and anti-fascism is fascism.

A couple of nights ago the Twitter-banished, Trump supporter, Internet gadfly and author Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to give a talk at the (hilariously regarded) home of the Free Speech movement of the 1960s, Berkeley campus in Oceania, sorry, in California. If I were to characterize Yiannopoulos I’d put him down as a right-wing, more sophisticated version of Jon Stewart. He is certainly more clever. There is a relaxed quality to his goading of the politically correct hordes that Stewart’s more determined sneering never really achieved.

Milo doesn’t have a TV show (yet) but he gives talks and is on a campus tour. Naturally when he showed up at Berkeley a riot broke out. A little flavour of the evening may be gleaned from any number of sources: “Protesters armed with bricks and fireworks mounted an assault on the building hosting a speech by … Milo Yiannopoulos.” Another: “Several injuries have been reported and at least four banks have been vandalized after demonstrators marched away from the scene of a violent protest at the cancelled speaking event by … speaker Yiannopoulos.”

And just one more: “As the gathered crowd got more agitated, masked ‘black bloc’ activists began hurling projectiles including bricks, lit fireworks and rocks at the building and police. Some used police barriers as battering rams to attack the doors of the venue, breaching at least one of the doors and entering the venue on the first floor.”

Now what do we call it when people in black uniforms and face masks storm a speaking venue, assault attendees, light fires and throw bricks at police with the express purpose of shutting down a speech? Would “fascist” work for you? In this context, and remembering it is a university campus where this outrage was perpetrated, I think fascist will serve quite nicely. And then we may advance to giving the name of the group that sponsored this giddy fit of intolerance and mayhem. They call themselves “AntiFa” which is the cute way campus blackshirts like to spell anti-fascist these days.

You see thereby what I mean by saying it is only in a university setting that words and descriptions are not only torn from their roots, mauled and variously abused, but put to service in the exact opposite of all their meaning. For those who are little too fond of invoking an analogy with the Weimar Republic in these Trumpian days, it might be worth looking in a reverse direction at Trump’s more fanatic opponents for a more faithful deployment of the comparison. As between the well-coiffed, mild-mannered Yiannopoulos and a mob of black-clad mask-wearing brick-tossing rioters, I’d go with nominating the latter as the fascist crowd.

Righteousness staggers the angry mind. The rioters presented the “argument” that Yiannopoulos’s (aborted) talk was an act of violence, while ever so superciliously they maintained that their acts of violence were free speech. One pureblood nitwit at the event whined that it wasn’t Milo’s talk, per se, that triggered her, but that she feared that in some future class she might unwittingly be sitting next to someone who had attended it. (Does Berkeley have an entrance exam? Does it require baying at the moon?).

More and more those who are, as it were, genetically opposed to the results of the presidential election, make the assumption that the Republican victory handed them a licence to violate all the codes of civil society and the understandings of democratic practice. That because their fellow citizens make a choice they find unpalatable they are thereby released to riot and violence and plaster their actions as heroic and noble. And of course the cringing authorities of the universities, instead of clarion denunciations of such actions, and absolute dissociation from all such charades, dance mildly down some imagined middle. Milo is a “provocateur” or he is “extreme” right wing, or that most feeble of all standbys, claiming the protest was “infiltrated” by “outsiders.”

The moral courage of some universities is at a low low ebb and their long and ancient reputation as havens of thought and intellectual regard is being travestied. There is only one real protest I would really like to see on a university campus these days: one that marched for more rigorous courses and more time in the libraries, reading. Meantime, I expect we’ll see a run on Mussolini bios.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2017 21:00

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

THC posted:

please do not link to rex murphy

I'm campaigning to get the Liberals to quietly euthanize him for everyone's best interest.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2017 23:23

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Happy Valentine's Day Canada!

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 20:06

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Anyone in need of a good :barf:

Here's Conrad Black lengthy and graphically detailed defence of a 50 year old married pastor loving a 16 year old:

Conrad Black: Pull yourselves together, senators � Don Meredith and Lynn Beyak don�t deserve to be kicked out

quote:

The dilemma of the Senate is illustrated by the calls for the resignation of Don Meredith and Lynn Beyak. The case against Sen. Meredith is his relations with a teenage girl. The report of the Senate ethics officer, Lyse Ricard, is a thorough analysis of this relationship, in which she judges Ms. M, as the complainant is called, credible, and Sen. Meredith not-credible, apart from one issue where Ms. Ricard gives equal credence to their differing views. What is indisputably established is that the senator had a somewhat intimate relationship with a young woman, starting when she was 16, and including a tactile encounter when Ms. M was 16, a further tactile and kissing encounter when she was two months short of 18, and what Ms. Ricard considers to be consensual sexual intercourse a few days before Ms. M�s 18th birthday, which Ms. M recalls as involving penetration but not ejaculation, and which the senator denies, and two encounters when Ms. M was 18, the first of which, to judge from Ms. M�s emails, was a deflowering, and a sequel several months later. The senator is fuzzy on both. Ms. M introduced the senator to her family when she was 16, and was grateful to him in her emails after the alleged deflowering. The claimed �teaser� penetration just before Ms. M�s 18th birthday is reinterpreted for Ms. M by Ms. Ricard as intercourse, even though Ms. M does not regard it as such and Sen. Meredith disputes that it occurred.

The controversy began with an article in the Toronto Star of June 17, 2015, apparently after an extensive interview with Ms. M, and a request for an inquiry the following day from the then speaker of the Senate, Leonidas Housakos. Ms. Ricard laboriously recites a great deal of peripheral exchanges about aspects of the relationship between the two parties that are unnecessary and are not the subject of any public right to know. She concludes that Sen. Meredith breached sections 7:1, and 7: 2, of the Ethics and Conflict of Interest Code for Senators. On July 27, 2015, the Senate standing committee on such matters determined that sections 7:1 and 7:2 �are applicable to all conduct of a senator, whether directly related to parliamentary duties and functions or not, which would be contrary to the highest standards of dignity inherent to the position of senator and/or would reflect adversely on the position of senator or the institution of the senate.� Ms. Ricard�s investigation was suspended for several months pending an investigation by the Ottawa police department, whose chief advised Ms. Ricard in January 2016 that the investigation was over and that no charges would be laid. The Code (article 48), invites the Senate Ethics Officer to recommend remedial action, but Ms. Ricard found that �remedial measures are not available.�

The demand for Sen. Meredith�s resignation has ensued, and I saw one zealot on a CBC panel on March 14 declaim that he cannot be allowed to resign; he must be expelled. That is the first rung in the ladder that leads to Stalin�s demand that his police prevent his victims from committing suicide, because he wanted to be able to extract false confessions and denunciations from them by torture and then to use them in show trials and execute them.

There are several problems with Ms. Ricard�s report. She claims jurisdiction because the relationship was �ongoing� at the time, which she states as June 16, 2014, when clauses 7:1 and 7:2 of the Senate conduct code were enacted, although they were only broadened to include all conduct of senators in a directive issued on July 27, 2015, in response to a question from Ms. Ricard, in which, she writes, she �did not reference Sen. Meredith�s matter.� This was 39 days after Sen. Housakos�s request for an inquiry, and I am afraid that Ms. Ricard is, in her parlance, not credible in claiming to have effectively requested the extension of the ambit of these clauses without having Sen. Meredith in mind. She appears to have prejudged the issue and retroactively sought the discretion to deal with it.

Even Ms. M does not allege that anything improper occurred after that date, so Ms. Ricard has no clear jurisdiction, and may not have approached the evaluation of the issues with clean hands. Further, she implies that the police decided that no charges would be laid because Ms. M said she didn�t want her name published, but it is more likely, on the facts as recounted by Ms. Ricard herself, that the police judged they had no case to claim a crime had been committed. The senator deserves, evidently, the benefit of the doubt Ms. M has created. And in determining that remedial action will not suffice, she admits that Sen. Meredith has materially reduced the likelihood of repetition by having �placed myself under the guidance of spiritual advisers, � engaged in continuous prayers of repentance and seeking forgiveness of (my) family (Meredith is a Christian pastor), engaged in professional� and peer counselling, completed a �professional development course,� and �carefully studied and reviewed the Code to ensure that my conduct going forward is consistent with its obligations.� Sen. Meredith ended the relationship in May 2015, after explaining to Ms. M that he felt God disapproved of it, and she expressed understanding and they parted apparently amicably.

Ms. Ricard scrambled backwards for jurisdiction, found against Sen. Meredith on all substantive issues, does not exercise her duty to report that he has been exonerated of crimes, and professes to find it impossible to find remedial action, though she does not contest the sincerity of his repentance and the unlikelihood of repetition. It is a shabby and, on its face, an unethical use of the Ethics Office of the Senate. President William J. Clinton committed much greater offences in a much greater office, was much less contrite, and was excused with the equivalent of a slapped wrist (and quite rightly � his impeachment was nonsense, apart from the question of perjury, where he came close but didn�t quite do it).

Ladies of Ms. M�s age at the time of the activities complained of can have abortions, procreate, marry and do what older people do. Ms. M seems to have generated this story out of vengeance and in a way designed to destroy Sen. Meredith�s career while concealing her own identity. The senator�s conduct was indisputably tawdry and contemptible, and almost insane, and especially unbecoming a clergyman and champion of youth empowerment. But there is no grounds to expel him from the Senate, and that house would do itself honour by tempering justice with mercy and by not being duped and manipulated to over-reactive severity in a case of imprudent but consensual intimacy with a young woman legally of age. Sen. Meredith should be censured, but his repentance should be accepted.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 16:40

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

https://twitter.com/CBCMontreal/status/927358990220226560

# ¿ Nov 6, 2017 03:23

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

patonthebach posted:

Sexual assault is rape so I have no clue what you are talking about.

Well you're right about the second part.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2018 14:18

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Good news for Christie Blatchford, Margaret Wente and Conrad Black :homebrew:

.

https://twitter.com/canbizn/status/956937207331328003

# ¿ Jan 27, 2018 20:19

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Dreylad posted:

is ending peremptory challenges really a good idea?

Yes. Jurors could still be challenged for cause. Peremptory challenges are just a dumb pre-trial toin coss ritual lawyers gifted themselves so they could pad their bills.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2018 14:12

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Free speech becomes nonsensical whenever it is treated as anything more then a negative right (i.e. the right not to be arrested by your government for the expression of ideas).

There is no society in the world where anyone can roll up from the street and command an audience at a major university, as a society we have to pick and choose who has access to what is ultimately a finite resource, our society as it happens apportions the vast bulk of that time to old white men. There is nothing free or equitable about it.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 16:34

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

patonthebach posted:

Actually pretty reasonable point of view by McMaster on people wanting to just shut down every speaking event at their uni

http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4559067?__twitter_impression=true

"The temptation to 'shut down' or prevent events from occurring is troubling. Censorship is not an option. There are very narrow grounds under which McMaster should restrict or stop a speaker or an event, essentially those dealt with in federal and provincial laws governing harassment, libel, slander and hate speech."

I'd call it horseshit and the height of arrogance to try and define acceptable forms of dissent. The government gets to define when protest crosses the line into being criminal activity not a university. Student groups have every right to organize and no platform someone if that's what they want to do with their free speech.

This is a how to guide for how the alt-right can tailor their dog whistles to receive the university's protection.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 16:06

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Furnaceface posted:

Arent there only 2 ways the dollar actually tanks? Trump killing NAFTA and the housing bubble bursting?

So "when" not "if"?

# ¿ Apr 10, 2018 04:14

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

I've seen law enforcement quoted by multiple new orgs as verifying the Elliot Rodger connection. It's not exactly shocking that extreme misogyny manifests as senseless murder, it happens literally every day.

Whether or not this is classified as terrorism seems just like a dumb political football over a word that has lost all meaning, but it certainly seems like it was a hate crime.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2018 13:35

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Misogyny is the hatred of women. If the KKK kill a bunch of black and white civil rights workers together, you think they can go "see we killed a white guy (race traitor) too" and use that logic to escape a hate crime designation?

One sec on the links, to clarify law enforcement are also very happily saying this was not terrorism.

Edit: here's the link https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/toronto-van-attack-suspect-alek-minassian-appear-court-tuesday-morning-n868596

DynamicSloth fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Apr 24, 2018

# ¿ Apr 24, 2018 14:10

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Toxic misogyny is a product of rape culture so maybe we could work a little harder on mitigating the factors which enable it, most of which are not anonymous web forums.

smoke sumthin bitch posted:

the desire to ban something every time a new tragedy arises is strange to me. the world is a dangerous place, people die every day bro

Because it is possible to mitigate risk and a moral imperative do so when it will prevent the loss of human life?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2018 23:09

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Helsing posted:

One more Ekos chart, this one's about the Ontario election:

How exactly are they defining upper class so that it's large enough to have any kind of sampling size, that seems like it should be impossible.

# ¿ May 1, 2018 12:51

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

I can't find any specifics on how EKOS purports to break down Ontario into 4 distinct classes (each with a significant sample size) but it has to be garbage.

# ¿ May 1, 2018 14:05

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Health Services posted:

Respondents self-identify their class in a regular survey question. From what I remember, the proportion identifying as upper class is usually pretty small, in about the 1%-2% range.

Edit: A public report released in 2017 by Ekos has 4% of respondents identifying as upper class.

That would indicate a sample size of maaaaybe 42 people at most for upper class, it's pretty meaningless to make claims about the voting intention of the "upper class" with that size, not to mention people are certainly self-reporting inaccurately.

# ¿ May 1, 2018 16:50

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

bunnyofdoom posted:

So, Erin Weir got kicked outta NDP Caucus for being a massive creep.

Like, even me, when I worked in that field, heard more rumours bout him then most others.

But, he's claiming it's because he spoke to the media.

It's totally because he talked to the media, and he definitely deserved to get kicked out of caucus for what he said to the media yesterday.

# ¿ May 4, 2018 03:46

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Government policy should be trying to move people onto weed as the intoxicant of choice with much fewer negative externalities. I think it could work as long as they develop a good means of prohibiting driving while high.

# ¿ May 10, 2018 16:29

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

DariusLikewise posted:

If only if there was some way to make money from people driving properly and use that money to encourage people to take modes of transportation that don't involve operating an automobile on their own. Some sort of mass transportation system.

Well yeah, but if all the drunks became stoners tomorrow there'd still be plenty of intoxicated drivers and there are plenty of rural communities where mass transit will never be a realistic option, society will still need to deal with that. That said it seems like a solvable problem, they've only just begun studying testing critieria for marijuana intoxication because up until now the priority has been to prove that you had any in your system at all since it is a prohbited substance.

# ¿ May 10, 2018 16:38

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Nocturtle posted:

To push back on this, drunks and heroine users don't bother anyone else until they do something anti-social while intoxicated. Smokers are uniquely selfish in that they necessarily make the air around them worse for everyone else while maintaining their pathetic addiction. I have much less of a problem with the drunk quietly sleeping on a park bench than the person who think it's totally fine to smoke in public places.

edit: I guess I'm saying I have no problem with the govt encouraging consumables.

Two things 1) yes yay edibles, they may ultimately be the best (for society) intoxicant availible.

2) I wasn't suggesting we need to reduce anti-smoking ordinances to encourage marijuana use, just make it cheap and legal while keeping booze expensive and legal.

# ¿ May 10, 2018 16:44

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Supercar Gautier posted:

Jesus Christ, is this Grenier or is it someone else being Grenier all over again?

Yes, let's use a polynomial regression to track polls. Just draw a loving parabola on the chart, that's the ticket.

I mean I believe Grenier is this dumb, has he outsourced before?

# ¿ May 16, 2018 13:01

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Peterson's real talent is using his academic training to avoid directly making any of the claims that naturally follow from his mystic fascist nonsense.

It's the old, just because a guy writes "Women are evil chaos magicians who seek to control you with vaginomancy" doesn't mean he hates women.

# ¿ May 19, 2018 14:50

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

https://twitter.com/DougFordFacts/status/999133599780786176

The Ontario Liberal Party announced it would release a recording of Ford and Surma Thursday which it said would implicate Ford 'directly' in a nomination controversy

# ¿ May 24, 2018 12:34

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Now, if he subverted democracy, we've got a big problem.

Dunno if he had an affair with her but he 100% fixed her nomination meeting.

# ¿ May 24, 2018 13:32

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

infernal machines posted:

Er, both in terms of profile and ability to enact change, you're probably a lot further ahead as the leader of a national party even if you don't have a seat, rather than a random backbencher.

He wouldn't be a backbencher, he'd be in charge of a ministry , almost certainly one of the big ones.

# ¿ May 30, 2018 01:29

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Wilhelm posted:

Do you agree with proclaiming you'd never introduce back to work legislature regardless of the circumstances? That was one comment I agreed with Wynne on.

Nobody proclaimed that, least of all the terminally cautious Andrea Horwath.

# ¿ May 30, 2018 02:06

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

THC posted:

Re: BC voting reform

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1001864252162850816?s=21
https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1001865462433513472
https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1001866054757306373
https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1001869278797119488

lmao
https://twitter.com/markymark7717/status/1001877075836497920

The policy is good, the question structure is a tactical disaster:

Do you like PR, y/n?

If no, :toot:

go home and relax

If yes, please work out which of these three complex (if in broad strokes very similar) PR voting systems, never before used in North America we should have settled on.

# ¿ May 30, 2018 19:45

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

THC posted:

I don't think Kathleen is going to Wynne this one

https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/1002625165975539713

New plan!

# ¿ Jun 2, 2018 14:26

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Dukemont posted:

Margaret Wente with a hot take on monogamy

Stopped reading at Western Civilization invented monogamy.

:nutshot:

# ¿ Jun 3, 2018 16:28

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Reince Penis posted:

https://twitter.com/abernatt/status/1003744619383812096

BAH GAWD JR THAT'S RENATA FORDS MUSIC

Can't wait for the Liberal brain trust to announce Wynne is back in the race.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2018 22:52

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Postess with the Mostest posted:

https://twitter.com/OntarioPCParty/status/1003627699557027842

They made some poor intern read his whole thesis and that's the best they could come up with?

# ¿ Jun 4, 2018 23:27

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Einstein was a committed socialist. Modern NDP is well to his right, at least economically.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2018 19:20

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Burn the CBC to the loving ground, gut their budget and use it to build a nice koi pond somewhere.

Look at this loving headline:

Pensions to be clawed back from overpaid Sears retirees

:fuckoff:

Oh also:

quote:

When Sears Canada closed its doors for good last fall, retirees were told the plan was underfunded by about $270 million. Pensions were to be slashed by nearly 20 per cent for an estimated 16,000 ex-Sears employees.

A letter obtained by CBC News from pension administrator Morneau Shepell says that for the past 10 months, retirees have been getting their full pensions.

Starting August, monthly pensions will drop from 80 to 70 per cent, the letter says.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2018 12:52

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

DariusLikewise posted:

I mean the headline isn't wrong they were overpaid based on the guidelines Sears set out during the bankruptcy.

The headline is wrong, when you get paid by your pension the amount agreed to when you paid into it you are not being overpaid. Words matter. Why is CBC repeating this horseshit doublespeak?

# ¿ Jun 21, 2018 19:23

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

DariusLikewise posted:

Did we talk about what Jagmeet said about pipelines and oil yet? What a clusterfuck

His original comments seemed fine, the walk back is stupid.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2018 04:30

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Pretty sure Derek Filderbrandt's party has better odds of attracting at least one other candidate.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2018 19:33

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

DariusLikewise posted:

https://twitter.com/mariedanielles/status/1032991985534214144

There's no way Bernier is going to be able to put together a nation-wide party and run a full slate of candidates in under a year. I think he's expecting Scheer to lose and step down and he's going to make his move for leader again.

That would be significantly easier if he doesn't form another party. Split the vote for Conservatives in the next election and there's no way they'd take him back.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 17:33

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 19:05

DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Last time I watched a show on CBC was Twitch City.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2018 20:52

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